[Onty]

Anybody had seen this one? Looks to me as a better concept than existing Browning system on semiauto pistols. Thanks, Onty.

http://www.tanfoglio.it/sportandcompetition/farsystem.htm

[Jim Watson]

I read about it when an Italian poster on TFL brought it up.
It will have a long way to go to prove itself. And is utterly dependent on one source for the essential special brass. I will pay attention to it when somebody besides Tanfoglio and Lapua picks it up.

[SDC]

To me, it looks like a law-suit waiting to happen; can you imagine what would happen if some fool was to get a piece of .38 Super brass mixed in with his regular ammo? (Not that I'd SUPPORT such a lawsuit, just that such a lawsuit is likely given the situation today.)

[CWL]

Any links with illustrations/pictures?

Sounds like the design is a well thought out and may prodice a more inherently accurate while safer firearm. Fixed barrel also means possibility of smaller/thinner guns of equal caliber. Still needs widespread adoption to be successful though, since we'd need new gun designs (not a bad thing!)

I'm not personally bothered by fears of 'mixing rounds' because most of this responsibility lies directly upon the shoulders of the shooter. I'm not the only one to have negligently fire a 9mm in a .40S&W gun -my fault, my responsibility.

[Daniel Watters]

It is my understanding that the FAR system is nothing more than a straight blowback conversion. The trick is that the cartridge brass has a longer than usual casehead, allowing it to be unsupported during initial extraction. Hopefully, the pressure has dropped to a safe level by the time that the standard case wall is finally exposed.

[Onty]

To prevent any potential problem I would like to go with 9x26 and 10x26 with at least 40 kpsi. Standard 1911 has barrel thickness .135” in 10 mm, more than enough for such pressure. Longer cases will prevent any possibility of using this type of ammo in existing firearms.

[Jim Watson]

Daniel,

From what I saw on the developer's site, the casehead is somewhere near 1/4" thick, to allow the bullet to exit before case wall is exposed out of the chamber.
Hmmm, the developer's site
http://www.a-ztech.it/
will not open anything beyond the cover page.
Lapua was to make the specialized brass, but I can't find anything on the Lapua or Nammo sites.

CWL,

As I said, getting it in circulation and gun designs that can really take advantage of the system (if any) is going to be the real trick.
See above; is it REALLY available, even from Tanfoglio?

SCD,

You are right, *somebody* will screw up and sue. Maybe they should have introduced it in a proprietary caliber to reduce the risk of putting standard brass in a FAR action. A 9.5mm (.375) would be about right.

[Onty]

Jim, you are right that real danger is to put standard ammo in FAR gun. I was thinking about your idea of 9.5 mm but to make new bore dia for pistol?! How about cylindrical 9x20-21? The case taper will prevent 9x19 Luger round from being chambered, 38 Super will be too long, and new round will be too long for 9x19 Luger chamber. As for 10 mm, case length could be 23-24 mm to prevent 10x25 from being used.

[Standing Wolf]

"Ordinary people?" What a pompous ???. I cannot believe this guy. Ordinary people.

Oh, boy! Another proprietary cartridge!