It was a rather bloody mess... Home invasion

Puts a new meaning in home invasion doesn't it.

GRANTS PASS, Ore. (AP) - Everett Skinner says when a bear broke into his home, he grabbed his shotgun and killed it.

The animal ripped off a screen and climbed in through a window late Saturday, Skinner said. The man told the Daily Courier he hadn't killed a bear before or even hunted in awhile, but makes it a point to keep the shotgun handy.

"In this case, I'm glad I did," he said. Bear and man saw each other at about the same time. Skinner said the animal stood up and headed toward him, so he fired.

"It didn't even faze him," Skinner said. In all, he said he fired four times.

The Skinners say they don't know why the bear invaded their home, about eight miles from Grants Pass.

Daughter Nicole Skinner, who awoke around 11:30 p.m. Saturday to a strange shuffling sound, was the first to spot the bear. She quickly retreated to her parents' room to get help.

"In hindsight, you start thinking of all that could have gone wrong," she said. "We were very blessed that this didn't go badly."

After the bear was dead, Skinner said, he called the Josephine County sheriff's non-emergency number but no one was working late at night. He said he also tried the Oregon State Police.

Skinner said he tried to donate the carcass to a wildlife rehabilitation center that takes road-killed deer, but apparently none of the animals there eat bear meat. Eventually he used his tractor to bury the bear.

Family members have done what they can to clean up the den, but Skinner notes they're probably going to have to replace the carpet.

"It was a rather bloody mess," he said.

And the Skinners won't be leaving the window open at night anymore.

"That's the last fresh air we're going to get at night," he said.

http://www.katu.com/news/52001292.html

I'd sure like to know what load he was using....

Well it only took four shots, and if it was 00 buck thats about what I would expect on a fair sized bear. It could have even been smaller buck and the last few shots hit something just right.

Yeah, I'd have to become city folk after that.

The bear's mother, Mama Bear, demanded justice at a press conference the next morning. She insisted that her son was a good bear who was just getting his life turned around. She further maintained that, "All he ever wanted was a pickanic basket."

It was Oregon so it could have been a Grizzly. Those big bruins can take a few loads of 00 and keep coming. And like with a lot of larger animals even a well placed shot can take a little while to take effect.

I'd sure like to know what load he was using....
Probably a more powerful load than this guy was using:
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2009/jul/27/bears-break-boulder-county-homes/

Yeah, I'd have to become city folk after that.


Nah, I'll put up the bears!:D

If the bear fit through a window I wouldn't think it was too big.

AP 7/30/09 8:42am


"The bear killed in a home invasion incident near Grants Pass, has been identitfied as Professor Theodore "Teddy" Bearenstain, a visiting adjunct professor at Harvard University, teaching graduate level courses and performing research in the area of animal rights.

President Obama, when asked to comment on the case said, "I don't know what actually happened, but the homeowner acted stupidly."

"And who's that eating MY porridge? "

It was just payback for Goldilocks.

If the bear fit through a window I wouldn't think it was too big.

I reckon that depends on the size of the window.

AP 7/30/09 8:42am


"The bear killed in a home invasion incident near Grants Pass, has been identitfied as Professor Theodore "Teddy" Bearenstain, a visiting adjunct professor at Harvard University, teaching graduate level courses and performing research in the area of animal rights.

President Obama, when asked to comment on the case said, "I don't know what actually happened, but the homeowner acted stupidly."

Now, THAT'S funny rightcheer - I don't care who you are.........:D

Probably a more powerful load than this guy was using:
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2009/jul/27/bears-break-boulder-county-homes/
The first two rounds from the 12-gauge shotgun were birdshot and the third was rubber bullets, according to a report by the sheriff's office. The Fischers escaped through a bedroom window, leaving the wounded bear inside the house.

When officers arrived on the scene at about 2:30 a.m., they found a bloody bear trying to claw his way through a screen door.

Sheriff's Sgt. Lance Enholm, after determining that the bear was severely injured and would need to be put down, fired his .45-caliber handgun five more times at the animal.

"(The first shot) struck the bear in the head, and it immediately reacted and began flopping around and growling," Enholm wrote in his report. "... I fired another round from my handgun, again striking the bear in the head. This didn't appear to have any impact on the bear, and it kept coming towards me."

It was shot number nine, however, this time from the sergeant's .223-caliber rifle, that finally felled the bear; a final round ended the bear's suffering, according to the police report.


birdshot and rubber pellets not much in the way of firepower, I think the .45 to the head just pissed the bear off more :)

Mmm, this is why my shotgun is loaded with buck. However, there's not a bear within 400 miles of my house, so I'm not really thinkin' bear defense here. I use bird shot.....for birds.

That is why I keep my Thumper stacked with 00 Buck and 500 grain Rifled slugs.

Here's a video (http://web.thedailycourier.com/video/vidpage.html?v=072809Bear) from the local paper.

WARNING - Very dead bear!

Everett Skinner sounds familiar. I used to live around there, about that far out of town.

-And no, that's not grizzly country. Lots of black bear, though.

I couldn't imagine walking out of my bedroom to a bear staring back at me...reaffirms you can never have too many rounds loaded for self defense

WARNING - Very dead bear!

Is it just me, or is that dead bear laying right next to a wicker PICNIC BASKET?

I'm sorry that the bear had to die for his little adventure into Mr. Skinner's home, but that's too funny.

Mmm, this is why my shotgun is loaded with buck. However, there's not a bear within 400 miles of my house, so I'm not really thinkin' bear defense here. I use bird shot.....for birds.

Well i do think about bear defence and i load mine up with slugs, usually Brenneke KO stuff, but also some of that MG Armoured slug stuff as well.

The bear's mother, Mama Bear, demanded justice at a press conference the next morning. She insisted that her son was a good bear who was just getting his life turned around. She further maintained that, "All he ever wanted was a pickanic bask

"The bear killed in a home invasion incident near Grants Pass, has been identitfied as Professor Theodore "Teddy" Bearenstain, a visiting adjunct professor at Harvard University, teaching graduate level courses and performing research in the area of animal rights.

President Obama, when asked to comment on the case said, "I don't know what actually happened, but the homeowner acted stupidly."
This is good stuff:D

Just tagging this for next month's "What size shell should I use for bear defense thread."

This further proves that guns are only used for bear murder.

Every year, hundreds of bears are mercilessly slaughtered at the hands of criminals who own firearms, when all the bears want to do is attack and kill the families of humans.

Cchris, all the bear wanted was that picnic basket.....Hey Boo-Boo!

Pres. Obama said, at first, that the homeowner acted "stupidly." He later rescinded his remark and invited both Skinner and the dead bear over for a beer.

Makes a good case for keeping a slug or two in the shell holder ON your home defense shotgun...

"The Skinners say they don't know why the bear invaded their home, about eight miles from Grants Pass."


Probably wanted a cheeseburger, a side of fries, a Coke, and some Ho Hoes.

L.W.

This guy should really think about getting a .45 or assault rifle

The bear's mother, Mama Bear, demanded justice at a press conference the next morning. She insisted that her son was a good bear who was just getting his life turned around. She further maintained that, "All he ever wanted was a pickanic basket."

Oh my, that bear was clearly going after that pick-a-nic basket - LMBO! :D :D

Wait a minute! Why would you load "rubber bullets" after birdshot?

Let's see mister intruder, you didn't like my birdshot so let me know what you think of this "rubber bullet" that my friend gave me to try..

Does Oregon have a Castle Doctrine? This guy may want to seek council..

That 2nd story from Boulder said he had to retrieve his shotgun and ammo from 2 different places... sounds like he grabbed whatever was available and loaded it.

Too bad for both bears. Glad no one got hurt.

"Suspect is a middle aged black male from the south central part of the woods."

No pick-nick basket is worth a life.

This guy should really think about getting a .45 or assault rifle

uhhhhh

A .45 doesn't kill everything despite the hype of some of those on this board. I would have severe concerns about the penetration of a .45 on a bear.

An "assault rifle" as you call it is a battle rifle knock off firing an intermediate round. I would have serious doubts that a .223 / 5.56 would have the horsepower to down a bear without using the entire clip in an SD situation. The AK's 7.62 would do better, possibly even be very effective on a bear that size. A .308 would be the ideal, but I wonder if that would fall under the strict definition of an "assault rifle", since they are firing real cartridges and not intermediate cartridges.

Obviously, at the end of the day, the home owner did OK. I wonder how many of us would have gone to check out the bump in the night, ID'd the bear and then locked up because our brain refused to accept a BEAR in the HOUSE. I bet it took him a few seconds to convince himself what he was seeing...

A .45 doesn't kill everything despite the hype..


45/70 can come pretty close at those distances in N America ;)

45/70 can come pretty close at those distances in N America
Why is it that people always forget there are dozens of ".45s" which sit all over the power spectrum?

It was Oregon so it could have been a Grizzly.

Nope, sorry. No brown bears here since the late 1930's. Now, Northern Washington state on the other hand...

Also, why in the world would you keep a home defense shotgun loaded with birdshot? Unless he just grabbed the shotgun and whatever shells he had close at hand. Still, a quick exit from the home and a call to wildlife officials would have been a better option than giving it a painful rash with birdshot, then a slow painful death at the hands of police.

45/70 can come pretty close at those distances in N America

Point made, but 90% of the time someone says "get yourself a .45" they mean a .45 ACP chambered weapon. The other 10% are people that mean get yourself a .45 LC.

:p

In actualality, he probally could have turned on a porch light after walking down the hall past the bear and open a door. It would have left without a problem in 95% of the situations. The other 5%, maybe. The vast majority of black bears are just looking for food and hate being around us except for free food. I come into contact, often a foot or less, several times a year in my yard when my dog wakes me, and in the woods up here. I've actually ran into one years ago while out running and rounded a corner by some boulders. I'm a serious bow and gun hunter, just don't bother the bears. Forget the .45 ACP as a bear gun.

The last time we had a bear in the house we just waited until he finished eating the salmon that Mother had been getting ready to go in the smokehouse. The main damage was to the window screen in our cooler window and to the cabbages which he stomped all over the floor. Then he crawled back out of the window and left.

It did take us a full day to coax our dog out from under the house, though.

That's nothing. A fellow up in the valley killed four brown bears in a row one night recently with his levergun. He's in a little hot water over shooting the first one because he failed to check for cubs first:

Tanner shot the bears after being awakened in the early morning at his home in wilderness north of Talkeetna. He said he shot the first bear out the bathroom window thinking it was a lone boar he had seen the day before. If the bear had been a boar, it would have been a legal kill. He then shot two 250-pound cubs as they tried to break into his house, and a final cub outside.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/wildlife/bears/story/870563.html

Only in Alaska would a fella hunt bear from his bathroom window ;-)

Great, so now I have another thing to worry about.

It was obviously the Skinner families' fault. If they hadn't had that picnic basket, the bear would never have invaded their home. This is the reason all picnic baskets should be banned in this country. Our loose and lax laws will cause problems in other countries. Research shows that almost all criminal picnic basket possession cases in Canada can be traced back to the U.S. For the sake of the children (and BooBoo), stop the picnic basket madness now.

I'm gonna have to see how the gal at walmart reacts when buying slugs and she asks... rifle or handgun ..... Yogi and boo boo!

Get a cat.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/images/060613-cat-bear_big.jpg

link to the story
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060613-cat-bear.html

So much for answering the question "is a coach gun adequate for HD"?:rolleyes:

For a bear, I think I'd prefer to go for my Garand with a clip of M2 ball.

And in Sunday's Denver Post... http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_13023974

From that article
Connie Barnes, who lived with Munson for five years and never went outside after dark without a spotlight, her husband and his BB gun.
So I guess it's time to start a "What BB gun for bear?" thread?
...Wow.

...to be followed by the "What's the best pointy stick for bears?" thread.

...to be followed by "Do bears like Tabasco or Texas Pete with humans at dinner" and other similar threads

Note to self. If I must kill a bear in or around my house, do not tell anyonone.........

I smell trouble bru-in....:D

Get a cat.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/images/060613-cat-bear_big.jpg



Hahahahahahahahaha!


+1 to not shooting the bear if its not trying to eat you, some groceries and a screen door are no big deal. Shooting animals inside is likely to do more damage and make more mess.. my evidence being "the bloody mess". I wasn't there and like obama i don't know all the details but i think there was a better way. Black bears are just curious very timid and run away quickly.. at least the ones i've seen are

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm what realy messed up that carpet? the bear or the homeowner after the bear started towards him? hmmmmmmmmm