4 days to go, starting bid is 250$...
Looks perfect. Anyone any detail info for it?
It´s from someone selling the stuff of a passed away hunter.
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shunka
July 30, 2009, 09:59 PM
Waidmann’s Heil! MP7 -
Seine Waffen ist nicht ein Gewehr aber ein Muskete.
I looked over the auction site but found no more information than you had provided. It is definitely a half-stocked percussion smoothbore, but I see the following possible problems:
- I believe the stock was cut back from the original length, since there is no under-barrel rib between the barrel and the ramrod.
- The barrel is a half-octagon to round, but has been worn so much that the corners of the octagon are badly rounded. The "wedding-band" transition is also heavily worn.
- It appears to have a correct Jaeger-style wooden (or perhaps horn ) trigger guard, but I cannot tell if it is original to the gun, especially since a lot of the trigger assembly is incorrectly exposed.
- While the sling fittings are basically "correct" the sling-bolt on the buttstock appears to be a modern replacement screw rather than the correct larger headed and carved sling screw.
- The carving is nicely done, very simple and plain, but appears correct.
- One cannot tell much from the photos about the lock or hammer.
It looks pretty well worn out, especially the barrel. I would want to handle it to ensure the lockwork is both functional and safe.
from the condition we can see I would suggest this Waffen might be best hung over the fireplace...
perhaps you might prefer this one which needs a little work
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2360849
or this one
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2360830
which appears to be restored and functioning...
Grüß
shunka
StrawHat
July 31, 2009, 08:49 AM
The shape of the lock plate suggests to me a conversion from flint.
I have seen similar arrangements for slings so the rear stud doesn't alarm me.
The forestock has the appearance of being shortened and the barrel appears more worn than the stock. For the starting price, not bad.
Jim Watson
July 31, 2009, 09:20 AM
No rear sight, big hole in muzzle, big tip on ramrod, I think it a smoothbore fowler.
shunka
July 31, 2009, 02:13 PM
todays conversion puts EU250 at ~ $350 U.S.
Since some Jaeger Rifles went as large as .70 it is possible the "large hole" is a rifle rather than smoothy, but the thin muzzle suggests otherwise.
The shape of the lock plate suggests to me a conversion from flint.
I have seen similar arrangements for slings so the rear stud doesn't alarm me.
The forestock has the appearance of being shortened and the barrel appears more worn than the stock. For the starting price, not bad.
Howdy Strawhat -
looking at the banana -shaped lockplate, I agree about the flint-to-percussion conversion.
barrel heavily worn, the foreend brass not fitting well, and the trigger guts showing past the wooden guard ... a Deutsch Parts Fowler?
Re the sling-stud, I am thinking the rear sling stud bolt might be a modern hardware store replacement since it seems rather long, and the stud head is rather thin, either badly worn down or incorrect? - perhaps I am overly critical :-) - here is a repro from ToTW:
shunka
4v50 Gary
August 1, 2009, 12:50 AM
Methinks it was a flintlock musket that was converted. The trigger guard and buttplate aren't of military origin, but they could have been added as part of the conversion. Note the single trigger too. Jaeger rifles generally had set triggers.
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