What is the big deal with the Vz. 58?


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Hammerhead6814
August 1, 2009, 09:03 AM
Shotgun news, about a million blogs, and topic's on web-forums everywhere are teeming with information and praise for the Vz. 58 right now. The thing is I can't figure out why.

It has no parts interchangeable with it's Soviet-Bloc buddy, it also cannot swap magazines with the AK. From what shotgun news has stated, it's no more accurate than a regular AK-clone, no more reliable, and if my experiences in finding them has taught me anything, they're actually more expensive.

The only thing the Vz. 58 has on the Kalashnikov is weight, 3.1 kg compared to 3.4. But really, for .3 kilograms a Vz?

Am I missing something? What is so great about these rifles? Is it the same euphoria felt when eating "I can't believe it's not butter?"

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John Parker
August 1, 2009, 09:07 AM
They are a novelty, I guess.

And, 'I can't believe it's not butter' is disgusting!

Shear_stress
August 1, 2009, 09:15 AM
Okay, I'll bite. The comparison to the AK is a red herring due to the fact that Vz.58 looks a lot like it. But if you want to compare them, the Vz. is also a better rifle.

It is lighter, yes. But realize that the comparison you describe is between the milled Vz and a stamped AKM. Quality is excellent. The Czech gun handles much better in my hands and is much more comfortable to shoot. The Vz seems to handle recoil better, for whatever reason (stock design?) It has a bolt hold open and a safety that can be reached by human fingers. Mag changes are a lot less clumsy. You can switch between a fixed and folding stock with no tool other than a coin. The charging handle is more lefty-accessible. I've also found it to be much easier to shoot accurately.

I'm not knocking the AK, but I prefer the Czech design.

Wes Janson
August 1, 2009, 09:33 AM
It is lighter, yes. But realize that the comparison you describe is between the milled Vz and a stamped AKM. Quality is excellent. The Czech gun handles much better in my hands and is much more comfortable to shoot. The Vz seems to handle recoil better, for whatever reason (stock design?) It has a bolt hold open and a safety that can be reached by human fingers. Mag changes are a lot less clumsy. You can switch between a fixed and folding stock with no tool other than a coin. The charging handle is more lefty-accessible. I've also found it to be much easier to shoot accurately.

Everything he said.

The AK is a good platform, but it's always been an abysmal failure in terms of ergonomics. The VZ-58 rectifies that problem quite well-though not perfectly-and improves on the AK in several other areas as well. It's easier to disassemble and reassemble, balances considerably better, and seems to be just as reliable, if not more reliable than an AK. I've seen plenty of Kalashnikov clones that simply would not function properly due to poor construction..this seems far less common with the VZ-58 clones.

From what shotgun news has stated, it's no more accurate than a regular AK-clone, no more reliable, and if my experiences in finding them has taught me anything, they're actually more expensive.

Overall, clone to clone, it would seem that the VZs are more accurate, quite possibly more reliable, and not all that much different in price. AKs start at about $500, VZ-58s at $600. You can spend well over a grand on a collector's variant, or an Arsenal. Or you can spend $800-1200 for a top-of-the-line VZ-58, which is almost identical pricing to that of an Arsenal.

Shotgun news, about a million blogs, and topic's on web-forums everywhere are teeming with information and praise for the Vz. 58 right now. The thing is I can't figure out why.

Because the parts kits have been available for years, but up until the past year or two, there haven't been any commercial VZ-58s available to speak of. Suddenly, several different sources have begun making/importing receivers, and the parts kits are getting built-up into rifles en masse. Which means they're becoming increasingly common on the civilian market, and as a result people are starting to become interested in the design. Because fundamentally it's an alternate-universe AK, just designed much better.

Hammerhead6814
August 1, 2009, 09:47 AM
Can you modify these to take AK magazines?

Shear_stress
August 1, 2009, 10:02 AM
Can you modify these to take AK magazines?

I'm sure it could be done, but with Vz mags running about $13-14 it's probably not worth the effort.

Hammerhead6814
August 1, 2009, 11:05 AM
Where are you finding them for $13? I've got four for twenty dollars a piece from Centerfire Systems (http://www.centerfiresystems.com/PKGVZ.aspx). J&G and AIM didn't have any.

Shear_stress
August 1, 2009, 11:17 AM
Czechpoint. $13.50:

http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/spare-parts-and-accessories/vz-58-parts-and-accessories/?list=6

Grey Morel
August 1, 2009, 12:01 PM
The VZ58 is a better rifle in every respect. Even when compared to milled receiver AK's it comes out ahead.

* Its receiver is always milled, and i believe they thicker than a milled AK; this results in a potentially longer service life than even the venerable AK

* Its open bolt design drastically reduces the chance of the most common malfunction seen with the AK; a stovepipe caused by empty brass.

* It has a better reputation for accuracy. This could be because the sights are better than those found on most AKs, but the guns themselves are manufactured with more attention to detail, so I'm sure that helps out too.

The VZ-58 is a better all around gun; I will rag on it for one thing though: the way the magazines latch is a little awkward, and while the latching system is probably pretty tough, I personally doubt it's as strong as an AK (no Spetznas push ups with the VZ-58).

Other than that, If I was willing to part with twice the money, I would take the VZ over an AK any day.

Isher
August 1, 2009, 12:28 PM
All -

Herewith is a pretty good comparison of VZ and AK:

http://50ae.net/VZ-vs-AK/

+1 on other's comments about quality and ergonomics and reliability.

I did not put optics on mine, and it is definitely a tack driver,

Iron sights and all.

It is my go-to ranch/truck/HD carbine.

And not a fad, either.

It has been around for a number of years, and certain people,

Like me, immediately swapped out AK's or Mini 14's or whatever

For this superior weapon.


isher

Leadhead
August 1, 2009, 12:28 PM
In Canada the big deal with the VZ58 is that according to the Govt. it is not as evil as the AK and we are allowed to own and shoot them...:)

nalioth
August 1, 2009, 01:00 PM
The Vz seems to handle recoil better, for whatever reason (stock design?)It's all in the design.

For one thing, there's twin springs:
http://www.novarata.net/abrams/vz58/vz58_1049.JPG

Another thing is the way the bolt locks up:
http://www.novarata.net/abrams/vz58/vz58_1070.JPG

* Its open bolt design drastically reduces the chance of the most common malfunction seen with the AK; a stovepipe caused by empty brass.

Just to clarify (so nobody jumps to conclusions), the Vz58 is not an "open bolt design".

What Grey Morel meant to say was that the bolt carrier is the 'top of the gun', so there is nothing in the way of ejected brass . .
As seen here with a cut receiver:
http://www.novarata.net/abrams/vz58/vz58_1068.JPG

fugi
August 1, 2009, 03:54 PM
Herewith is a pretty good comparison of VZ and AK:

http://50ae.net/VZ-vs-AK/


I'm glad someone is getting some good use out of my comparison.

the VZ should prove to be more accurate for a number of reasons. the lockup of the tilting locking breech block means the bolt doesn't rotate or tilt like the AK or FAL machined with a little extra space in mind for reliability, so it will always lock in the same position that would otherwise require precise machining and multiple lugs like those on the AR.

the short stroke gas system, while regrettably isn't adjustable, provides for a cleaner action unlike a long-stroke or direct impingement where dirty gas either leaks or is injected more directly.

the dual springs aren't really dual springs as with the AR-180, one is a much weaker striker spring which doesn't to much to soften recoil or slow the bolt down. which brings us to the striker design. I don't really see an advantage here directly, but it greatly simplifies construction, as does the disconnect function being a nub on the trigger bar instead of like the AK, having a disconnector, spring, and having to pivot around the trigger axis pin. this also makes the trigger spring a multi-purpose component of being the trigger and disconnect spring. which isn't a concept unfamiliar to CZ as the sear spring also acts on the top cover detent pin and the detent for the selector switch.


it may take more than a handful more operations to machine a VZ receiver and isn't what I'd choose to equip a great many people with if cost and time of manufacture was my primary concern, as it was with Kalashnikov's requirements, but it is a more accurate and at the least an equally reliable rifle.

1858
August 1, 2009, 04:41 PM
I'm glad someone is getting some good use out of my comparison.

I've been thinking about buying a Vz.58 and your comparison with the AK was extremely informative, interesting and helpful. The way the carrier pivots the breech block up and clear allowing the bolt to unlock (no rotation, no tilt) is elegant. Now I really want one.

:)

armoredman
August 1, 2009, 06:16 PM
I have had several AKM clones in the past, including a nice Hungarian years ago, and my wife's WASR-10. I have a SA vZ-58, and am very happy with it. It is lighter, more accurate, less percieved recoil, (like there really was a problem there.), and just as reliable and sturdy. Magazines are lighter due to aluminum construction, though admittedly a bit more fragile for the same reason. I am very happy with my D-Technic SA vZ-58 from CZ-USA. Here it is with the gee gaws I have attached.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/SAvZ-58.jpg

outerlimit
August 1, 2009, 06:23 PM
I was interested in these many years ago, when they weren't very popular or available.

It looks like they are the current flavor of the month now.

fugi
August 1, 2009, 06:25 PM
That's a nice looking VZ, you know if you can remove the barrel extension that's on there and replace it with a flash hider? I don't know how those are attached..

Isher
August 1, 2009, 07:14 PM
Here's the country mouse version.......

1858
August 1, 2009, 07:56 PM
I like to know how names of weapons came about or what the abbreviations stand for. The SA Vz.58 is interesting and may be a misnomer .... according to Wikipedia. :)

Vz.58 is an abbreviation for Vzor 58, meaning "Model 58". Vzor is the Czech word for model and it was introduced in 1958.

SA as in SA Vz. 58 means submachine gun since "Samopal" means submachine gun in Czech. So if a submachine gun is defined as "a firearm that combines the automatic fire of a machine gun with the cartridge of a pistol", wouldn't SA be inaccurate here? Is there such a thing as a 7.62 x 39mm pistol?

One last "fact" in case anyone is wondering ... Česká Zbrojovka Uherský Brod is the full name of CZ as in CZ SA Vz.58.

Thanks.
:)

DMK
August 1, 2009, 08:03 PM
The Czechs have always been a little different when it comes to weapons. They have a long history of quality firearms and they weren't going to just make a licensed copy of anything.

Take for example the vz52 handgun in comparison to the TT-33, the vz52 carbine in comparison to the SKS, the vz82 handgun in comparison to the Makarov. The vz58 is just their version of the AK. And in typical Czech fashion, they felt they could do it better.

Samopal means submachine gun in Czech....wouldn't SA be inaccurate here? That may not be a literal translation. It may be their way of saying that it isn't a full power rifle round.

HorseSoldier
August 1, 2009, 08:55 PM
SA as in SA Vz. 58 means submachine gun since "Samopal" means submachine gun in Czech. So if a submachine gun is defined as "a firearm that combines the automatic fire of a machine gun with the cartridge of a pistol", wouldn't SA be inaccurate here? Is there such a thing as a 7.62 x 39mm pistol?

Qiurks of language. May be worth noting that the East Germans called all their flavors of AK-47 and -74 "machine pistols" as well. Not any less improper by customary American English usage than the Austrians calling their version of the FAL a "sturmgewehr." And no more hard to figure out than why the Russians called the AK an "automatic" (automatic what? ;)) instead of a carbine (as they did with the SKS).

nalioth
August 2, 2009, 06:01 AM
That's a nice looking VZ, you know if you can remove the barrel extension that's on there and replace it with a flash hider? I don't know how those are attached.. The extension is just spot welded on.

The original threaded barrel is still intact underneath.

*WARNING* If you pop the extension off, while it is off, you'll have an illegally manufactured SBR. The barrel length of the factory Vz58 is 15.33"

winknplink
August 2, 2009, 10:49 AM
I bit the bullet and bought one earlier this year. The sporter model.

I dunno. I expected great things over an AK, and after close to 1000 rounds through it, I was still left wanting. It was solid and reliable...I just eventually came to the realization that I'd spent $900 on a gun that is only marginally better than it's $400 counterpart, offers fewer aftermarket options and is less accurate than a $100 SKS...so I sold it.

Live and learn.

winknplink
August 2, 2009, 10:51 AM
Fuji, if you decide you want a flash hider, I have one (for vz-58 with reverse threads) you can have for just shipping costs. It's brand-new, never used.

earlthegoat2
August 2, 2009, 11:49 AM
I guess I would argue the differences are not worth the modest difference in price to that of a Romanian Wasr. 10 bucks for mag that will fit any AK sure beats 60 that will only fit the VZ. Then again sometimes cool stuff costs a lot.

armoredman
August 2, 2009, 11:56 AM
earl, mags are avilable relatively cheap, look a czechpoint-usa.com. nailoth, have a gunsmith do the work, all good then. wink, sorry your experiance wasn't as good - was it a D-technic build, or the Century re work version?

nalioth
August 2, 2009, 12:41 PM
nailoth, have a gunsmith do the work, all good then. Not me, dude, you need to talk to fuji.

fugi
August 2, 2009, 01:52 PM
I guess I would argue the differences are not worth the modest difference in price to that of a Romanian Wasr. 10 bucks for mag that will fit any AK sure beats 60 that will only fit the VZ. Then again sometimes cool stuff costs a lot.

they're not $60, they're $13. that's less than a lot of AR-15 mags or SKS mags. and SKS mags only work in SKSs. if you want to have ten mags on hand for your one rifle holding 300 rounds, that's only $130 in mags. not a significant investment.

armoredman
August 2, 2009, 03:16 PM
Sorry nailoth, my bad.

Wes Janson
August 2, 2009, 06:11 PM
* Its receiver is always milled, and i believe they thicker than a milled AK; this results in a potentially longer service life than even the venerable AK

On the other hand, the barrel life is a much more important issue, and it's a serious pain to change out barrels on a Vz-58.

* Its open bolt design drastically reduces the chance of the most common malfunction seen with the AK; a stovepipe caused by empty brass.

In my experience, most AK malfunctions are feeding-related rather than ejection. If the brass isn't ejecting out of the weapon, and the ejector and extractor are good, then the reason is generally because the rifle is short-stroking (for whatever reason). Doesn't matter one bit how big the ejection port is if there isn't enough energy in the system.

* It has a better reputation for accuracy. This could be because the sights are better than those found on most AKs, but the guns themselves are manufactured with more attention to detail, so I'm sure that helps out too.

AK and Vz-58 sights are virtually identical. If there's a difference in accuracy, it's not due to sights. In my estimation, there's not much of a gap in accuracy between a Vz-58 and a decent AK..it's just that there are literally millions of sub-standard AKs floating around out there that can't shoot for crap.

I dunno. I expected great things over an AK, and after close to 1000 rounds through it, I was still left wanting. It was solid and reliable...I just eventually came to the realization that I'd spent $900 on a gun that is only marginally better than it's $400 counterpart, offers fewer aftermarket options and is less accurate than a $100 SKS...so I sold it.

Not many people would say that there's only "marginal" differences in ergonomics between a WASR-10 and a Vz-58. As for aftermarket options, when someone raises that question I always have to ask-just what is it that you really want to add? People already offer quad rails, collapsible stocks, scope mounts, pistol grips, and a dozen other useless geegaws for the Vz-58...what else is missing? And just what sort of $100 SKS do you own that's outshooting the Vz?

armoredman
August 3, 2009, 03:07 AM
...quad rails, collapsible stocks, scope mounts, pistol grips, and a dozen other useless geegaws...
Hey, I resemble that remark! :) Actually first rifle I owned that I put any gee gaws on, none of the others were worth it.

I will have to take the vZ out with the Yugo SKS, (man, it's dusty, never gets shot anymore...), and see how close they are off the bench.

fugi
August 3, 2009, 11:53 AM
if anyone is going to try comparing accuracy between the VZ, AK and SKS, it'd be prudent to use something other than lacquered wolf ammo because that may be the limiting factor and not the capability of the rifle.

armoredman
August 4, 2009, 09:59 PM
Easy done - I reload. :)

GunBugBit
August 5, 2009, 07:14 PM
Word is getting out. My gun club carries them now. A couple of the employees have shot them and are in love with them.

1858
August 7, 2009, 01:53 AM
What is the big deal with the Vz. 58?

I joined the Vz.58 owner's club today with a NIB Military Sporter model so I guess I'll be finding out for myself real soon. I was sold on the idea a few weeks back and started looking online to see what was available. fugi's Vz vs. AK comparison pushed me over the edge. That tilting breech block really appeals to me along with the fact that the bolt neither rotates nor tilts.

I've never owned any rifle chambered for 7.62x39mm so it'll be interesting to start reloading for that caliber. I already learned that 7.62x39 bullets aren't .308 .... who knew?!! I bought 4lb of VihtaVuori N120 last year because it had been sitting on a shelf at a local gun shop for months (along with 2lb of N130). I didn't need either powder but the owner let me have it for a lot less than it usually sells for so I bought it all. This afternoon, before buying the Vz., I checked VihtaVuori's reloading guide and they list a couple of loads for 123gr and 125gr bullets using N120. Finally I have a use for that powder ... about 1,200 uses based on the load data! :D

If someone would be so kind as to recommend the "best" magazines available that would be greatly appreciated. I'm looking on the czechpoint-usa website and there are a number of options.

:)

nalioth
August 7, 2009, 10:09 AM
If someone would be so kind as to recommend the "best" magazines available that would be greatly appreciatedThere are no "best" magazines.

They're either Czech milsurp (used) or Czech milsurp (unissued). So long as they're not bent, either works great.

Hammerhead6814
August 7, 2009, 11:44 AM
So then, how much do these run on average? Finding them from online dealers my lowest price was over eight hundred dollars. (http://personalsecurityzone.com/cgi-win/order/prodlist.exe/PSZ/?Template=ProdDetail.htm&ProductID=32915) You could buy a Saiga .308 22 inch barrel for that price.

fugi
August 7, 2009, 01:24 PM
http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/vz-58-rifles/sa-vz-58-military-folder/

their rise in popularity has lead to a rise in the price the market will bear. I built mine for $400. now parts kits are $250 and receivers $300. for $400 it's a damn good rifle, for $850, it's still a good rifle. I've seen them sell for $1k.

Shear_stress
August 7, 2009, 01:28 PM
They're either Czech milsurp (used) or Czech milsurp (unissued).

Please look at the options before replying. There are also mags with U.S.-made springs, followers and baseplates needed for compliance purposes and ten round double stacks for the California market.

1858
August 7, 2009, 01:43 PM
So then, how much do these run on average? Finding them from online dealers my lowest price was over eight hundred dollars. You could buy a Saiga .308 22 inch barrel for that price.

I'm happy with the price I paid ... $720 NIB for a CZ Vz.58. I'll have to pay $30 for shipping so that's $750 total.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=135840235

I'm still wading through the 922R compliance "stuff" trying to figure out what I have and don't have, what I can and can't do, but I have to admit I'm excited about this purchase. The safest route is to buy either the surplus or refinished 30-round magazines with US made parts for $18 or $24 respectively.

:)

nalioth
August 7, 2009, 01:46 PM
They're either Czech milsurp (used) or Czech milsurp (unissued).
Please look at the options before replying. There are also mags with U.S.-made springs, followers and baseplates needed for compliance purposes and ten round double stacks for the California market. He asked for "best" magazines.

I do not consider replacing metal with plastic (mags with US components) parts a move toward "best". The plastic parts are cheap and cheesy and nowhere near as durable as their milsurp counterparts.

He does not indicate he's in a ban state, so again, IMHO, cutting up a mag for the purposes of Kalifornicating it is also not something I'd mark up in the "best" category.

I'm still wading through the 922R compliance "stuff" trying to figure out what I have and don't have, what I can and can't do, but I have to admit I'm excited about this purchase. The safest route is to buy either the surplus or refinished 30-round magazines with US made parts for $18 or $24 respectively. The easiest way to 922r compliance is to get a US made gas piston and a US made pistol grip. At that point, you can use any magazine - regardless of it's domestic content count.

Shear_stress
August 7, 2009, 02:06 PM
Quoting Nalioth:

There are no "best" magazines.

And you said there weren't any.

He asked for "best" magazines.

I do not consider replacing metal with plastic (mags with US components) parts a move toward "best".

Now you say there are. By the way, those mags with the dreaded plastic parts are what Czechpoint ships with their rifles. Combined with the three U.S. parts in the FCG, those in the magazine are what allows for 922r compliance.

1858
August 7, 2009, 02:13 PM
nalioth, you've obviously got a lot of experience with the Vz.58 as does Shear_stress since both of your names pop up on Vz THR threads going back a few years. I'm going through the 922R list below trying to figure out what parts the Vz.58 has.

922R compliance - qualifying 922R parts on the CZ Vz.58 shown in blue, US parts indicated in parentheses)

1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings (made by D-Technik so still foreign)
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers (*US)
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears (*US)
(14) Disconnectors (*US)
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers (*US)
(20) Floorplates (*US)

I think that the Vz.58 has 16 of the 20 qualifying parts listed (and shown in blue) so please correct me if I've made any errors. It's my understanding that a maximum of 10 of the 16 parts can be foreign so do you know which parts CZ swaps out for compliance? The D-Technik receiver is made in Czechoslovakia right so isn't that still foreign or does the fact that the magazine well is milled in the US make it a US part?

Added in edit: Shear_stress confirmed that the barrel extension is NOT included on the list. Therefore, the CZ Vz.58 has 15 of the 20 qualifying parts. Five parts are US made meaning that it meets 922R compliance with 10 foreign parts out of the 15.

Thanks.
:)

Shear_stress
August 7, 2009, 02:20 PM
Let's see. Czechpoint swaps out the trigger, sear and disconnector as well as the mag base and follower to bring the "foreign-made" total from 15 to 10. If you want to use un-modded surplus mags you need two additional U.S. parts. Nalioth is correct about the U.S. made pistol grip and piston.

1858
August 7, 2009, 02:25 PM
Shear_stress, so what shouldn't be on the list of 16 qualifying parts (shown in blue) for the Vz? Is it the barrel extension? The receiver is still considered to be a foreign part right?

Thanks.
:)

Shear_stress
August 7, 2009, 02:38 PM
The barrel extension doesn't figure in to the parts count, perhaps because it is permanently attached and so is considered to be part of the barrel.

1858
August 7, 2009, 02:42 PM
Shear_stress, thanks very much ... I really appreciate members like you and nalioth that are willing to share your knowledge. Time to order some magazines, a piston and a grip. I may even change the buttstock to a collapsible AR variant since I seem to have a bunch of those lying around.

:)

Shear_stress
August 7, 2009, 02:47 PM
No worries. Hope you enjoy the Vz58 as much as I have!

As for the buttstock, you might try the regular folding stock. It's a cinch to install and makes the rifle incredibly compact.

1858
August 7, 2009, 04:16 PM
As for the buttstock, you might try the regular folding stock. It's a cinch to install and makes the rifle incredibly compact.

I'm not really a fan of the folding stock but may order one just to have the option. CzechPoint, Inc doesn't mention if the piston is made in the US and the black synthetic pistol grip that they sell is made in Israel.

http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/spare-parts-and-accessories/vz-58-parts-and-accessories/piston/

I'll look for an AR15 stock adapter and take a long look at the PRI rail system for more options.

:)

armoredman
August 7, 2009, 05:11 PM
The magazine bodies are NOT US made. BTW, if you live in a state that requires hi caps to be made prior to the 94 ban, ALL vZ-58 30 round mags are manufactured prior to that, and proof is on file at Czechpoint-USA. Czechpoint has great deals on mags, go for it. I am happy as a clam with my SA vZ-58!

nalioth
August 7, 2009, 08:05 PM
1858, here ya go:

US made Vz58 pistol grip (http://www.lichtenbergresearch.com/parts/vz58pistolgrip/vz58pistolgrip.html)

US made Vz58 gas piston (http://www.gunco.net/forums/f259/usa-made-vz58-pistons-37547/)

1858
August 7, 2009, 10:11 PM
nalioth, thanks ... I just ordered a US made piston from APEX Gun Parts ...

US made Vz.58 gas piston from APEX Gun Parts. (https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/63/products_id/1001?osCsid=0d5664dd0b412c1ce1b163a05ca7554c)

... and I think I'd prefer a pistol grip from Infratek or CzechpointUSA rather than the Lichtenberg model. Since I'll be adding an AR stock and US made piston, a non-US pistol grip would be ok with surplus magazines.

:)

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