Remington Primers vs Winchester vs CCI vs Federal


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Mags
August 1, 2009, 06:57 PM
Which of these do you prefer and why. If none listed name your brand. I prefer Winchester due to the soft cup and ease of seating. I have wasted a many CCI primers breaking them during seating.

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something vague
August 1, 2009, 07:14 PM
At this point I'll take what I can get out of any of those. But if availablity isn't an issue I have a preference for all CCI primers, BR's specifically. In all my years of shooting and reloading I have yet to have a problem with any of CCI's stuff. Not sure what you're doing wrong but there shouldn't be an issue with seating and firing a CCI primer.

Not sure exactly where I just read this article and exactly what was stated but I remember them saying that CCI primers being much harder is actually a myth. Something about their manufacturing of primers back in the day caused some misfires, ever since then the myth of them being harder than others has stuck with them. I will have to dig that article up to remember exactly what was said in it and report back.

Marlin 45 carbine
August 1, 2009, 07:17 PM
I've never tryed Rem. no difference for me between Win & CCI - Fed is good too.

Ateam-3
August 1, 2009, 07:26 PM
I use them all and have had no problems to speak of. I have heard more complaints about CCI being too hard than anything else. Personally, I have not experienced any difficulties with CCI. If all are available I would tend to but Winchester and CCI.

robriboflavin
August 1, 2009, 08:16 PM
I like Winchesters as they seem to be in between Federal and CCI as far as hardness goes. I did have a S&W1006 that needed Federal to ignite reliably after a lame attempt at a trigger job by a local "gunsmith" - since fixed by replacing the mainspring with a factory strength spring. That was the gun though, not a primer problem.

The one exception is my ISPC 38S loads - they get Remington small rifle only

Mags
August 1, 2009, 09:14 PM
Wow no love for Remington primers, I have used them in LP loads but I don't remember how easy they were to load up. Can someone refresh my memory about Remington's hardness and sensitivity?

1SOW
August 1, 2009, 09:19 PM
I use Federal sp. I lighten my CZ hammer spring from 20# to 11#. Federal sp is the lightest strike pistol primer and gives 100% bangs with light springs.

Win, CCI, and Rem will give the occassional FTF with light springs. I've heard, but can't verify that Magtech is also light strike.

Mags
August 1, 2009, 09:30 PM
Is there a resource or chart that lists primer sensitivity and hardness?

smorris62
August 1, 2009, 09:32 PM
Newbie here. Are the different manufacturer primers interchangeable? If the recipe calls for CCI can I use the Winchester? Thanks.

Mags
August 1, 2009, 09:33 PM
I do, at first I would always start up with the start load when using a different primer but now I change primers with my usual loads.

GRIZ22
August 1, 2009, 09:39 PM
I use them all and have had no problems to speak of. I have heard more complaints about CCI being too hard than anything else.

I recently read an article by a ballistician regarding "hard" CCI primers. This myth is the result of reloaders putting a bit too much force in seating the primer and cracking the primer compound. I think this was back in the 60s. CCI dod something to prevent this long ago.

I've used CCIs alomost exclusively for over 35 years.

1SOW
August 1, 2009, 09:43 PM
Mags: Go to any competition shooter site and see what they are using for lightly sprung guns. Not all use very light springs, but many do. This topic has been discussed a number of times. Federal uses an older more volatile compound.

Lee reloading has limits on some of it's primer loaders for Federal primers, also note how Federal SP primers are packaged.

Eg. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php

Angus Hobdell has an "ask Angus" thread-starter on this forum: http://www.czforumsite.info/

Mags
August 1, 2009, 09:44 PM
Thanks

smorris62
August 1, 2009, 09:50 PM
Thanks Mags!

Ol` Joe
August 1, 2009, 10:00 PM
I`ve CCI, Remington 9.5s, and WLR large rifle primers, Federal and Rem 7.5 small rifle and Federal 205M and Winchester small pistol primers on my bench today. I use all of them in various cartridges. I`ve no one favorite.

Seafarer12
August 1, 2009, 10:01 PM
I like Rem 7.5 for making accurate .223's. The rest of my loadings I am pretty easy to please. I have never had any problems with any of the primers I have used. Fed, Win, Rem, CCI, Wolf, Magtech.

fireman 9731
August 2, 2009, 01:23 AM
I have always used CCI.

All the numbers with other primer companies always aggravated me. 7 1/2, 9 1/2, 205, 250, ect. I need a secret decoder ring to know which primers are which.

I prefer large rifle, large rifle benchrest, small pistol, ect, clearly printed on a stylishly designed, aesthetically pleasing blue box :)

ArchAngelCD
August 2, 2009, 03:13 AM
I mostly use Winchester primers in my handgun rounds and CCI in my rifle rounds. I've used Remington primers in my 30-06 with good success. I've also used Magtech and Wolf primers without a problem and they all went bang. I refuse to buy Federal primers because they raised the prices before everyone else and their packaging is WAY too big IMO. I can fit 4 or more CCI boxes in the the place of 1 Federal box on my limited shelf space.

Before anyone says Federal uses such a big package so they can pack the primers on their side for safety, Remington packs their primers on their side and their packaging is probably the smallest of them all.

James Thomson
August 2, 2009, 06:13 AM
CCI primers in the past have had some quality conntrol problems causing problems fitting in Dillon reloading equipment primer tubes. I have heard they have corrected this problem now. At one time, Dillon advised customers not to use CCI and use instead Winchester or Remington primers.

Ky Larry
August 2, 2009, 12:30 PM
A few years ago, I bought several bricks of various types of PMC primers. They, like all the other brands mentioned, went bang every time. I am not a good enough shot to tell the difference in primers so I usually buy based on price and availability.

NCsmitty
August 2, 2009, 12:37 PM
I have used CCI primers in all my brass cased rounds for the last 30+ years. They've always been consistent and dependable.
I do use Winchester 209's in my shotshells.


NCsmitty

Rokman
August 2, 2009, 01:17 PM
There is an article in the Sept. 2009 Shooting Times about primers and also about the CCI myth. I use CCI and Rem 7 1/2 in my AR loads and Remington and Winchester in my large rifle loads. I have had good succes with these primers so far and will try some Federal and CCI large rifle when they become available.

something vague
August 2, 2009, 01:22 PM
I recently read an article by a ballistician regarding "hard" CCI primers. This myth is the result of reloaders putting a bit too much force in seating the primer and cracking the primer compound. I think this was back in the 60s. CCI dod something to prevent this long ago.

I've used CCIs alomost exclusively for over 35 years.

This is the same article that I was refering to in my first post. I believe the guy who wrote the article actually worked for CCI for some time. There again, the CCI hardness compaint is just one big spread out rumor. It's amazing how many people will jump on a bandwagon just because of heresay with no basis or experience with using the offended product. I have many revolvers with action jobs and very light springs and still have never once had a CCI primer fail to ignite.

Mags
August 2, 2009, 01:35 PM
Well I do know that if a primer pocket is tight or burred when trying to seat a CCI it will break. And same situation with a Winchester it will go right in.

something vague
August 2, 2009, 07:44 PM
That may be due to the slightly larger dimension of CCI primers. Looking at drawings of all different brands of primers does show that CCI's come in slightly larger in width. But there again, I have never in my life had a problem seating them either. But I can see where it would be possible with extremely tight pockets.

K-Dirt
August 4, 2009, 01:19 AM
I started out planning to use Federal large rifle primers and Remington large magnum rifle primers so that it would be impossible to use the wrong primer, due to their different colors. Since it got so hard to find primers, I've also bought some cci large rifle and Winchester large magnum rifle primers. I get the sense that any of them will do for hunting and I'd only sweat it for bench rest competition.

burninfuel
July 30, 2011, 01:47 PM
Adding to an old post, CCI 450 for all 223 rem H335 powder, autoloader and bolt, just switched to 7.5 rem for better consistant chrono and better groups and no results yet.
But I did with my remington 700 in 24" barreled rifle, 2" groups at 100yds= cci mag large primer.
I read a post on HRO about Fed 215M primers, so I followed suit, .770 for 5 shot group at 100yds. 129sst bullets, nothing but a primer change . fps 3250 and holds about 11 fps variance

hAkron
July 30, 2011, 11:41 PM
Fiocchi for Small Pistol because they are cheap and they work well (thought if you have light springs in your gun I hear the cups are harder than some other brands). I have used Winchester, CCI, and Federal. They all seem pretty indistinguishable from one another. Federal has odd clumsy packaging which is my only complaint.

Oh, also, CCI Small Pistol and Small Pistol Magnum primer packaging isn't different enough from one another. I've never had a mistake using one in place of the other on the bench, but I bought 1000 CCI Small Pistol Mag primers by mistake one time, then almost did it again when I went to replace them (I notices while I was in line to pay).

ArchAngelCD
July 31, 2011, 01:16 AM
Another 2 year old thread brought back from the dead...

LTR shooter
July 31, 2011, 08:54 AM
Depends on what I'm loading.

For .223 loads Rem 7 1/2 has given me great accuracy results through the years. Have used CCI BR-4 and Federal Match.

For 357 Mag either Winchester mag or CCI mag primers.

For 9mm or 38 Spcl I'm using Federal 100 .

Winchester WLP is all I use for 44 Mag.

Walkalong
July 31, 2011, 09:20 AM
I have had no problems with any of them. Preferences? Sure, but no reason to not to use one brand if that is what is available. I have CCI, Winchester, Remington, Wolf, and Federal on the shelf right now.

kingmt
July 31, 2011, 12:49 PM
I really like the Tula primers I got. I also really like the price of the Wolf but I have yet to load any.

The Tula seem to seat easier(CCI seemed to stop just short of flush). Now that I ram prime it doesn't really mater tho. The price was also outstanding.

TC8500
July 31, 2011, 10:27 PM
Over the years I have found that I get very consistent results with Federal 210M and 215M. I have also used CCI and they seem to work fine as well.

billybob44
July 31, 2011, 10:59 PM
Another 2 year old thread brought back from the dead...
^^^+1
I have put together a few rounds for my Rem. 700's also. I have a hard time believing that I could tighten up a 100yd. group 1.230" by changing from CCI primers to Federal primers??
I DO think that there are other things involved in tightening up a group by that amount..Bill..

Craigman
August 1, 2011, 09:23 AM
I like the CCI's cause of availability around here.

I Dislike the Fed cause the box is so dang big!!! :confused: Takes up too much room on the bench.

frankge
August 1, 2011, 07:53 PM
Tula SP have been working for me in 9mm - G34 with light striker spring. Wolf in my 7.62x39 and Tula SR .223 fpr the ARs. Ran through the last of my Rem SPs and use CCI LPs. They all go bang so I buy based on price then availability.

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