410/45 handguns


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NC-336
August 1, 2009, 07:37 PM
Can anyone give me any info on 410/45 handguns. Would they be a good carry in the car gun. And are they good for self defense? And can any one give me a website to view some? I work driving trucks and I am in and out of my truck at night in back of different places by myself would this make a good gun to have on me when I am in and out my truck?

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LRaccuracy
August 1, 2009, 08:13 PM
Try this link out for information on .45 / 410 revolvers. Taurus is pretty proud of theirs.

http://www.taurususa.com/video-taurus-judge.cfm

redscho
August 1, 2009, 08:19 PM
The Judge really got my attention, but the price is just a bit steep when I have other handguns that can keep the homestead safe.

Dr_2_B
August 1, 2009, 08:56 PM
I think they'd be good, but I believe there many guns better. The main feature is that they will shoot a 410 shell. But frankly, there are many better choices than that and in better packages.

MrCleanOK
August 1, 2009, 10:57 PM
The judge really holds its own as a range toy and snake dispatcher. theboxotruth.com has a write-up on the judge, and the results speak for themselves. If you want something for critters that have legs period, and especially two of them, I think there are better options out there.

kingpin008
August 1, 2009, 11:19 PM
while a .45/.410 pistol is undoubtedly better than a sharp stick when it comes to self defense, as others mentioned there are many, many more appropriate choices out there.


May I ask why you're interested in the .45/.410 platforom for SD, rather than the more conventional choices?

stillaftermath
August 1, 2009, 11:22 PM
In my opinion, a Judge is a fantastic ranch/survival handgun, but a terrible self-defense weapon. .410 was intended for snakes and rabbits. Do you want to rely on a cartridge designed for rabbits to defend you, if you have the choice?

Take a look here:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

Sure. A .410 is more effective than a stick, but a skateboard is more effective than walking and I still drive a car.

As Dr 2 B said, there are better choices in better packages.

mgkdrgn
August 1, 2009, 11:43 PM
NC

I own a Taurus Judge, and purchased it as a car gun/bed room SD gun/trail gun.

I like the versatility of being able, in one gun, to be able to choose from 410 shot, buckshot, and 45 Colt. I also liked the idea that, when employing shot/buckshot, the Judge was going to have a rather limited effective range. To me, that was a plus, not a minus.

Mine is a 4" Ultralite with a 2 1/2 in chamber. Fully loaded it is lighter than my Glock 26. It will at 10 feet put 000 buckshot (3 or 4 pellets, depending on if you load Winchester or Federal) clean through 4 inches of pressure treated pine. I don't know what that would translate to 'zactly in flesh and bone, but I'd suspect that it would be down right discouraging. At that same distance, it will put #4 shot through 1" of pine. Now, #4 shot wouldn't be much of a "stopper" with a center of mass shot ... but I wager it would make a real mess of somebody face, and again serve as a severe discouragement to continuing the attack. (tough to fight on when you are blind and don't have a nose!)

45 Colt is, well, 45 Colt. A known and well documented man stopper. You are not going to doing any trophy match shooting with the Judge, but it is for sure accurate enough for SD use. My first 5 rounds of 45 Colt were fired at steel plate targets (8") at 15 feet. 5 rounds, 5 plates. Good enough for me. (and 45 Colt shooting semi-wadcutters makes BIG holes!)

Is it the ideal SD weapon? No ... but then nothing you could carry would be.

Is it good for taking out the terrorist holding the human shield hostage 50 yards away? No ... that's why SWAT teams and snipers use rifles.

Is it a decent choice as a car gun/bed room SD gun/trail gun? Yes, I do believe it is. I'll keep mine, thank you.

bonedust
August 2, 2009, 04:39 PM
a loaded G26 weighs 26.2oz with HPs in it. while taurus claims the UL Judge weighs 22.4oz, reviewers have it scaled in at more like 25oz. empty.

NC-336
August 2, 2009, 05:55 PM
Can anyone tell me is there any other pistol that can shoot shotshells?

oneounceload
August 2, 2009, 07:26 PM
I work driving trucks and I am in and out of my truck at night in back of different places by myself would this make a good gun to have on me when I am in and out my truck?

Isn't it illegal for a CDL to have a gun in a commercial truck?

zxcvbob
August 2, 2009, 07:46 PM
IMHO, it should be a good car gun, and not good for much else other than a cool toy -- not that there's anything wrong with a cool toy. :D I think a .45 Colt SAA would be a better defensive weapon if you practice with it so you can thumb the hammer when you draw, or else get a double action .45 Colt snubbie.

At contact distances, .410 shotgun should be devastating. At longer distances .45 Colt has it beat, but not with the long chambers in the Judge.

rmuzz
August 3, 2009, 06:34 AM
Can anyone tell me is there any other pistol that can shoot shotshells?

If your looking for something for snakes, small pests, etc. I've heard/read that you can make your own reloads with shot, or CCI makes shotshells for most common handguns varieties, .45, 9mm, .40, .38/.357, .22lr. No idea how they work in semi-autos, but read the reviews and they sound like they cycle fine.

CCI @ Cheaper than Dirt (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?pagesize=1000&catid=1863)

weregunner
August 3, 2009, 07:32 AM
First there was the Thunderer Five. That passed into history, sadly enough, for the owners of that gun.

Now here come the Judge, here come the Judge. Everybody rise cause here comes the Judge. Quip is from Rowan and Martins Laugh In. Sammy Davis,Jr. did it quite often.

Taurus Judge info time:
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=22577.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=23048.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=22279.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=22636.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=19976.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=23071.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=22965.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=18574.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=22225.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=11704.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=4163.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=9743.0

That should be enough to take a gander at.

Brian Williams
August 3, 2009, 08:43 AM
IMNSHO they keep dropping a great gun to make these combo guns. I would like to buy a Taurus 445 in 45 Colt only with a 3" unported barrel but Taurus only makes the Judge now.

weregunner
August 3, 2009, 11:39 AM
Brian. Right there with you. Pistol model 908 for us small handed types. Revolver model 441/442 in .44 Special. Your pick and these others are missed by quite a few people.

Acera
August 3, 2009, 12:13 PM
Can anyone tell me is there any other pistol that can shoot shotshells?

Yeah, check out the Bond derringer. They make a high quality gun, that has some applications.
http://www.bondarms.com/


Now for all you ballistic guys, 2 1/2 .410 Slug or .45 LC for more stopping power??

(Yeah I know the answer, it may surprise many.)

kanook
August 3, 2009, 12:17 PM
First there was the Thunderer Five. That passed into history, sadly enough, for the owners of that gun.still in production. can even get it with a 45/70 cylinder. :evil:

TUBBY1
August 3, 2009, 03:41 PM
I own a bond arms ck2000 chambered in 3". 000buck in that shell is like throwing five 38 bullets at once.
I also bought a .357/38 barrel for it. Nice gun and easy to carry. Well made ...good sd gun.if i was cross country it would be part of my wardrobe!

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