[oneiron]

I noticed today that when Clint Eastwood changed the cylinder in the Remington 1858 it looked like he had a conversion that allowed him to load cartridge ammunition. I have not seen a cylinder that is drilled through for sale for a Remington 1858.
The only one's I have seen are at Midway for a Pietta and each cylinder has a firing pin. Does any know bout another type of conversion for the Remington 1858?

[Smokin_Gun]

Kirst Konvertor would be as close as you can buy but it's a 5 shot ... the R&D is an accurate facimaly or one of the original conversions in a 6 shot cylinder. Most of the conversions where done by a Gunsmith back then after Remington started makin; them ariund the end of the War Against Northern Agression... Google 19th Century Rem Conversions for info.

[Voodoochile]

The Kirst Konverter is very close to what the original Remington converted NMA's had from the factory but the original chambering was for a .46 rim fire Remington round which like the .45 center fire Colt round the rims were too large to accomodate 6 rounds in the cylinder at that time.

[armoredman]

Used 5 in 1 blanks, IIRC, what the gun was converted for.

[oneiron]

I was ordering a R&D drop in conversion from Midway and when I got down to the brass for a 45 the lady told me that they did not have any 45 cal brass in stock. I canceled the order and went looking for brass. There is no brass of any kind for sale in the whole country. What in the world is going on? Is this the way they are going to bring gun cotrol in?

[ArmedBear]

Note that all Remington conversions let you swap cylinders.

Check the photo gallery for the Pale Rider Remmies, and lots of other modified Remingtons, as well.

[Hud]

Here is a link to the gallery that AB may be referring to.
About half way down the first page are the guns used by Eastwood.

http://www.alliancelink.com/srrs/photos.htm

[send2r]

ONEIRON---"I was ordering a R&D drop in conversion from Midway and when I got down to the brass for a 45 the lady told me that they did not have any 45 cal brass in stock. I canceled the order and went looking for brass. There is no brass of any kind for sale in the whole country. What in the world is going on? Is this the way they are going to bring gun cotrol in?"





it is now illeagel for the us govt to sell its once fired brass to its own citizens. they sell it to the indians and the chinese. go figure

[Hawkeye748]

There is no brass of any kind for sale in the whole country. What in the world is going on?

I think the reason there is no brass is the same that ammo was scarce until a few weeks ago. Panic buying due to the election of Obama.

Ammunition is now becoming available in the more popular calibers and in the less popular calibers also. The MFG. will supply their own needs first for loaded ammobefore they will again start making components, such as brass available. My guess from a source is it should be available in a few weeks, for sure by the first of the year.

it is now illeagel for the us govt to sell its once fired brass to its own citizens.

I don't think it is illegal to sell once used brass by the Military. I think it was an administrative decision by the Obama administration. I also think it has been reversed due to preasure put on Congress by the Gun lobbies. Not sure about the change, but am sure it was an administrative decision by the new aministration that stopped sales.

[Quoheleth]

I also think it has been reversed due to preasure put on Congress by the Gun lobbies

Anyone else have info on this?

Q

[higene]

DCM shoots provide 30-06 brass at a reasonable price (they have never complained when I picked up my brass and keep it). Parent case for 25-06, 270, 280, 338-06, and 35 Whelen.

Higene

:scrutiny:

[oneiron]

I found some 45 S&W at Graff and Sons. I got what I need to get me by until the 45Colt becomes available. I just picked up my 58 Remmy. It has been loaded for months, and the crisco had caused the cylinder to be very hard to get out.
I like black powder, but I have never been able to shoot more than two cylinders before having to get some of the gunk off. In truth my Charter Arms 44 Bulldog eats black powder rounds. Go figure.

[Hawkeye748]

Found this on another site, the Confederate Yankee:

As it turns out, this was a misunderstanding that has been corrected. The US military's "fired brass destruction" policy change turned out to be very short-lived. It has just been reversed as of Tuesday. To begin with, the policy change was intended only for military brass that is OCONUS, not in CONUS. Read about it here:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/18/dod-brass-ban-lifted/

[mykeal]

...just been reversed as of Tuesday????

This happened almost six months ago.

[Wolfebyte]

The "ban" lasted less than 5 days..

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/georgia-arms/

[send2r]

five days for a stupid law is five days to many. that being said, it has been known since obama got in the white house this law was going to come into effect. the law of supply and demand people horded thinkin they would make a killing on the black market. well see what happens in the next six months, to the brass market.

[ClemBert]

You can see how the Pale Rider's 1858 is a full custom job. His conversion cylinders don't have a back plate like the Kirst or R&D cylinders. His hammer has a spur to act as the firing pin.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/98/Palerider7.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/54/Palerider6.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/90/Palerider8.jpg

[Das Jaeger]

than Clint , but he's cooler ! :D

Das Jaeger :neener:

[Ratdog68]

Purdier too, I'll bet. :neener:

[Das Jaeger]

yes he is :neener:

Just watched The Unforgiven last night with Clint , interesting flick . Lots of rare pistols in that one . On one of the first-ish scenes he was carryin a Double Action Starr revolver which I thought was an interesting tid-bit of gun for the writers to use . Lots of good Spencer footage too , especailly the loading procedure . Last scene , a face full of Spencer point blank can't ever be good , for you :D ........I loved all the scenes where people would be holding people at gunpoint , but never had the single actions cocked and locked ? Writers missed that little peice of gun lessons I guess . :D

Das Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

LOL You likes the History Channel too, huh? I watched it last night too. Got the DVD for that one too.

Seein' him reach for his scatter gun when he couldn't hit the tin with his revolver is what got me rootin' 'round for my Rossi to look at. :D

[Das Jaeger]

Even old grizzled face Clint is inspiring you to get out those guns , cool !
Its not the History Channel in my house anymore , its Jaeger TV !
That and the Jaeger Military Channel of course , hee hee hee :D

My Lady walks in the room , says " how can you watch that stuff so much " ... Jaeger says , " Ummm if I have to explain , you wouldn't understand honey " :D

Das Jaeger

[oneiron]

I just got my R&D conversion cylinder today. Midway emailed me today saying it had been shipped. The wife picked it at the mail box.
Clint's conversion is a lot better than the R&D I received today. But he has a major studio paying the bills. If that conversion was available I think I would have done it. To fan that gun must have had major rework of the main spring. I tried to fan mine and it took the skin off.

[ArmedBear]

Thanks Hud!

That's what I MEANT to paste...:D

The primary website for the group is http://www.scorrs.org/

[rondog]

In those photos of Eastwood, is that two different pistols? Looks like the one in the middle photo has a round barrel, and the others are hex. Also, the pistol stuck in his belt is in different positions.

Or am I dreaming?

[Ratdog68]

They all look octagonal to moi.

[oneiron]

The rounds look very small. I wonder what caliber they are.

[oneiron]

I shot my R&D conversion Remington today. It is the best shooting revolver I have ever shot. It shot to point of aim, and the load I used 6.1 grs Unique 230 pure lead bullet used for CASS and sold by Cabela's was so soft to shoot. I think this load is about the same as the 45ACP, but it did not kick like a 1911.
I was using the Schofield case and maybe it was to tight of a fit. It is very hard to get the cylinder in the frame with charged cartridges. Midway has posted on it's web site 45 colt brass will be available by Aug 31th. Maybe the cylinder will load easier with 45 colt brass. Empty the cylinder slips in and out very easy.
I like this Schofield load. You can shoot it all day and not get fatigued.

[BHP FAN]

The .45 Colt rims tend to be a bit thinner,which should make rolling the loaded R&D cylinder into the frame easier.I had one on a Euroarms that was that way about Schofield brass...

[oneiron]

Now that I have put more rounds through the converted 58, I notice that there is some creep in the trigger. another problem is that when you place in in half cock and then advance to full cock and let the hammer down on the empty chamber, the cylinder moved backward in travel rather than staying locked up. It does not do it if you have a percussion cylinder in the frame. It stays locked .
Any advice as to how I can get the creep out of the trigger? The Bolt has me stumped. The only thing that can move the cylinder is the Hand. The friction of the hand downward motion must be moving the cylinder backward.

[Das Jaeger]

more purposeful when your cocking that beast , its not a gun to cock gentle , throw the hammer back with a little effort . Whats happening is the hand is doing exactly what your describing, its dragging the cylinder backwards before it locks into battery . Its not catching the cylinder into the stops yet and that gentle cocking isn't working for ya .
I had one Pietta 58 do this too , I bent the hand spring less than it was so it would not advance the hand as much onto the cylinder which took out the back dragging also , worked fine after that . I have never had good luck
with soft cocking my gun :what:
Your timing may be just ever so slightly off too .
Oh , and you need trigger work . Sounds like tis just gettin worn to me and you need to hone all that back into shape , nice sharp shapes :D Smoooooth sharp shapes :) Worst case scenario , new trigger new hammer .

Jaeger

[oneiron]

Das Jueger, you were right. A little for force on cocking solved the problem. This gun has less than 100 rounds through it. Not even broke in.
Thanks for the help.

[Das Jaeger]

:) if it gets worse , tis gonna need to be re-timed a tad bit . And if you start messin with taking too much off the sear and trigger-hammer surfaces it will effect the timing greatly too , go slow :D Little at a time or you'll be in trouble .
Have fun shootin , sounds like ya are :D ..I know it gets frustrating when the gun don't run right , all these Italian guns need a little tweekin , eventually :) or right out of the box .

Jaeger

[Macgille]

Maybe I'm crazy but in the picture he is holding a cylinder loaded with rimfires? When I was in Hollywood we used 5 in 1 blanks that were centerfires. 5 in 1 = 38/40,44/40,.45 lc.44,.44mag. ANy way it looks like custom made rimfires to me.

[oneiron]

Is there a trick to getting the after market main spring in the slot at the bottom left of the frame. I tried all day with no success?

[Das Jaeger]

maybe , what problem are you having ?

If its too fat to put in the slot , getta filing ! :D I would file the spring not the gun , or you just ruined the gun to ever take a stock spring . Well , not one without a shim that tis .

Now if your having a hard time puttin the spring under the roller and then into the slot, I use a pair of soft face pliers for that . Just get it started that way then brass hammer it over into the slot to center it . A slight tweek on :Dthe spring aint gonna hurt, it tweaks all the time when cocking . Also onthe Remington , make sure the adjsutment tension screw for the spring is backed out all the way out of the slot of course . :D

Good luck and I hope that helped ya ?

Jaeger

[oneiron]

This is what the spring looks like. I can not bend it to get it in the slot. It will slide in very ease if I could bend it. There must be a trick to putting the spring in.

[rondog]

You may have to make a tool to do it with. Perhaps a piece of steel bar or rod, with a slot hacksawed into it at the right place, that you can hook over that spring and then have some leverage to *gently* bend it with. Sometimes the most frustrating tasks can be easily done with a simple tool.

[Das Jaeger]

see why you couldn't put the spring in , then install the hammer , brute force may be required :D

Jaeger

[oneiron]

I got in in after I read your post. I can't believe how much better the action is. All the creep is gone. I am going to measure the trigger pull tomorrow. I bet it will be about two pounds.
I used pliers like you said and just taped it in. Today it was easy. Yesterday I could not tap it in to save my life.

[Ratdog68]

Don't it feel good when it finally goes together like it's supposed to? Nice job.

[Das Jaeger]

Triumphant over a peice of freekin Metal , you win , today ! :D
Right on ! Now go shoot it and post some piccys and all for us heathens . :D

Jaeger

[oneiron]

I had a good day of shooting yesterday. I was trying to hit a paper plate from 50 yards. Now one hit. I could hear the bullets striking wood, and the best I can figure is that the gun was shooting low about a foot. Loaded up another twenty five rounds for tomorrow. got to find me another cross member to hang my targets on. The one I was using rotted out. Got me a 30 inch square of brown paper with bull eyes on it. If I can't hit that I am going to give up.
After shooting I was cleaning the gun, and put a drop of oil at the base of the hammer where that little roller is and pulled the hammer back and the spring came out from under the roller. Had to take the gun apart just to get it back on.
I am going to have to remember that if I get in a gun fight not to use the 1858 Remington with that spring. Sure as time passes that spring would come off the hammer again.

[Das Jaeger]

Oneiron :eek:
Must be a way to put a light groove into the flat of the tip of that spring with a moto-tool grinder wheel for that roller to roll on it better and actually stay there ? That sucker must be mighty light for it to slip sideways off the roller ? Makes me think the base of the spring is loose in the slot , check her I would . :)
When I start sightin a new gun in Oneiron , I start at 10 Meters to see where it's hitting first , then move out , saves allot of ammo and scratchin your head . :D ...Most of the time I move it out 10 meters at a time because the bullet is just getting going and is useually rising still . :D ..But , starting up close will at least tell ya where the bullets are going . Your on the right track with the large target though , that will help :D

Good luck , thanks for the update , been wondering about that gun .

Das Jaeger