Lone Wolf barrels - problems?


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DickP
August 1, 2009, 10:17 PM
The Lone Wolf barrel I put in my Glock 29 needs some fitting. If you forcefully rack the slide, the barrel-hole in the slide will wedge against the shoulder of the barrel/chamber and get stuck. If you don't realize this before you shoot the gun, you end up having to spend 10 minutes with a rubber mallet to knock the slide loose again.

Has this happened to anyone else? Should I send the barrel back to LW? Or should I file down the blocky edges on the barrel myself? I'd prefer to just keep it and do the fine-tuning myself - but is there any reason not to take a file to the barrel and shape it to fit myself?

Thanks!

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Mags
August 1, 2009, 10:19 PM
Alot of times fitting is required with aftermarket parts, especially barrels.

DasFriek
August 1, 2009, 10:33 PM
I suggest calling LW,as everything ive heard and seen they are 100% drop in and if it needs fitting there is most likley a problem in the barrel.
I know mine fit better than the stock barrel.

Runningman
August 2, 2009, 09:43 AM
That does not sound so good. I also would contact Lone Wolf before you do some filing. That is not an area where you should have to do any fitting on a Glock if I'm understanding you right. There may be more to the problem than you realize. If you have some calipers you may want use them to compare with the factory Glock barrel dimensions. A picture of the problem area might help.

GreenTN
August 2, 2009, 09:45 AM
Dick from San Antonio...
Why do want to replace the barrel on your Glock?

tlen
August 2, 2009, 11:40 AM
Does the barrel lock up fully w/o ammo or only with a round in the chamber ? Best to give JR at LWD a call for suggestions. In any case don't remove any metal from the barrel hood surface where it contacts the breech face as that will affect headspace.

DickP
August 2, 2009, 03:34 PM
Green-

Fired factory 10mm loads have a very noticeable bulge around the web. I've no other complaints with the gun, but I'm looking for a little more case support...

Everything seems to lock up fine, the slide just sticks with the new barrel. I'm going to take you guys' advice and send it back.

Thanks!

GreenTN
August 2, 2009, 09:44 PM
Yea I wouldnt change a thing with my Glocks...run'em stock, hot and dry...how do you like your 10mm?...I see you have a 29...

DasFriek
August 2, 2009, 10:49 PM
After a bit of thinking it may work its self out after a few rounds threw it,or even a bunch of dry fires and fully cycle the slide each time.
The reason i think that is if the gun is very new and a low round count it may be kinda tight itself,and add in a very tight specs of the LW barrel the 2 may need to work themselves together.
GreenTN- alot of people do it as a conversion too .40 to shoot cheaper ammo.But some people replace them with a stock spec LW barrel as the tolerances are much better and more accurate than the stock Glock barrel is.
I know i miss my old G20 and shooting full 10mm loads.

DickP
August 2, 2009, 11:45 PM
GreenTN:

Yes, I love my 29. 11 rounds of 10mm, in a pocketsize auto - hard to beat that! I put XS bigdot sights on it, and it's going along with me and my girlfriend on an Alaskan camping trip in a few weeks.

No complaints with the gun, except that the brass comes out of the factory barrel with startling bulges around the web. BIG bulges - I don't want to keep buying manufactured ammo, but I certainly can't see shooting handloads out of the factory barrel...

nickE10mm
August 3, 2009, 02:28 AM
Just got my LWD 10-.40 conversion barrel (std length) and I was able to get out to the range the other day and I had ONE failure to chamber fully and then ran another 200rds through it without a single issue. The ONE failure was in the first 10 rounds.

I would call LW and see what they say before doing any filing.

jocko
August 3, 2009, 04:16 AM
Pocketsize????

hardluk1
August 3, 2009, 11:56 AM
Dickp Check out ( Reading GRX push through dies ) Made just for thie bulge problem and stock glock 40 and 10mm, ain't the only guns to do this to some amount. This will make your brass straight again but can make for shorter life span of brass. The problem with those nice tight chambers,, failure to feed some ammo types.

chakup
August 3, 2009, 02:05 PM
Send it back. I use and have sold alot of LW barrels. I had one with what I thought was a rough chamber, sent it back. They polished it up. Found out problem was my ammo- some OMC reloads.

Randal45
August 3, 2009, 02:09 PM
I had the exact same problem with my new G29. I bought a LW 40S&W conversion barrel for it and it locked up the slide as well. I measured the width of the block chamber area and found it to be about 4-5 thousands wider than the original 10mm Glock barrel. I sent it off to LW and they did some grinding on the edges where the barrel forms. Upon return it did not solve my slide locking issue. So, since the barrel as it is was worthless to me I decided to remove the 4-5 thousands off of the chamber area. I used a wetstone and removed enough material off of both sides so that the width equaled my stock 10mm barrel. After that the LW barrel functioned perfectly. It has been 2000+ rounds since and no more slide locking issues!

igorts
November 4, 2010, 04:49 PM
I know it's old tread, but i just got this problem with my G29 and 2 LWD barrels.
Both locks-up.
Where exactly do i need to remove metal? sides of chamber area?

bds
November 4, 2010, 05:14 PM
Lone Wolf barrels come with life-time product and service warranty.

Give them a call - good people who stand behind their products.

igorts
November 4, 2010, 05:56 PM
Called them, blame goes on ammo. But it's not, i used multiple brands,
see the picture, there are also noticable impact on metal, sides, near round part of the barrel.
Both are going back to LWD.

todd_g
November 4, 2010, 09:21 PM
I bought a 9mm drop in for my G23 and the first time at the range the chamber locked up on me, but it seemed like after a few shots and operating poorly it just snapped out it, works perfectly.

bds
November 4, 2010, 09:26 PM
igorts:
Both are going back to LWD.
Keep us posted as to how things work out for you.

Randal45
November 4, 2010, 09:32 PM
take the barrel and a wetstone and shave a few thousands off of each side. if you have a micrometer you can compare your LW to the stock Glock barrel. This is what I did and no problems since. First thing I would do is use a micrometer and take some measurements. Compare it with the stock barrel and go from there. I took the attitude that as it was it was worthless to me so if I monkeyed with it and I didnt fix it I didnt loose anything.

igorts
November 5, 2010, 01:13 PM
I shipped both to LWD. will see what their armorer Don will say or do.
If they fail, i'll work on them.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19zjMLbmymQ
even uploaded a video, not very clear, but slide is not locked by slide lock, there are no mag inserted.

Harley Quinn
November 5, 2010, 04:41 PM
Good call to ship them back, IMHO...

They are a quality location and will do right by you :)

Regards

igorts
November 23, 2010, 06:54 PM
Got both barrels back.
Don saw the marks and removed some metal from them.
it seems to stop locking up , need to take it to the range
He made them matte to cover rough jobs, but also polished ramps ( on new barrels:confused:).

GLOOB
November 23, 2010, 07:41 PM
some people replace them with a stock spec LW barrel as the tolerances are much better and more accurate than the stock Glock barrel is.

Tolerances aren't better, nor are they claimed to be better. They are claimed to be made with slightly smaller chambers and oversize in the areas of lockup.

But since they are made from soft stainless steel, they will soon wear looser than a stock Glock barrel, in my estimation, even if they do start out slightly oversize. Mine actually measured slightly smaller (better part of a thou) than the stock barrel in the outer dimensions of the chamber and barrel.

gofastman
November 23, 2010, 08:04 PM
Tolerances aren't better, nor are they claimed to be better. They are claimed to be made with slightly smaller chambers and oversize in the areas of lockup.

But since they are made from soft stainless steel, they will soon wear looser than a stock Glock barrel, in my estimation, even if they do start out slightly oversize. Mine actually measured slightly smaller (better part of a thou) than the stock barrel in the outer dimensions of the chamber and barrel.
are you talking about the lock up areas here, or the chamber?

GLOOB
November 23, 2010, 08:43 PM
The areas that provide lockup. Sorry, I thought that was obvious.

bds
November 23, 2010, 09:36 PM
This is how I look at it.

Pros:
- When I shoot full power and near max loads out of my stock Glock barrels, I get bulged cases (especially 40S&W). When I shoot them in Lone Wolf barrels, I don't.
- The spent cases from LWD barrels are also easier to resize. To me this means brass experienced less expansion due to tighter chamber dimensions meaning less stress on the brass. Now I don't dread the resizing/depriming step of reloading (even the tough 9mm cases) and even my wife/daughter volunteer to resize my cases for me to hand prime. Sweet!
- I also noticed increased brass life since I started using LWD barrels - I can't remember when I got a split case last. I have a test batch of once fired brass that's been reloaded over 100 times without a single case failure.
- Since I shoot a lot of reloads, I prefer to shoot the heck out of LWD barrels at the range and when I am done, I drop in my shiny and clean factory barrels in my Glocks and I am good to go for SD/HD. I clean the dirty LWD barrels at my convenience. To me this is worth the price of admission! :D
- With conventional land/groove rifling, I happily shoot cheaper lead reloads using lead load data that uses less powder (making shooting even cheaper).

Cons:
- The tighter chambers require more care and attention during brass processing, resizing, seating and taper crimping to freely drop in with a "clink" but my reloads absolutely fed and chambered in all pistols I have tried so far. Other shooters' reloads don't always feed/chamber in my LWD barrels. This gives me added confidence and comfort that if/when my loads must feed/chamber and go bang, I know they will.
- About $100 extra cost to purchase a Lone Wolf barrel. I have shot over 30K lead reloads since I got my LWD barrels and cost savings of shooting lead over jacketed/plated bullets have paid for them many times over. I still shoot jacketed/plated but not as much.
- The stainless steel barrel surfaces are not as hard as Tennifer finish Glock barrels, but LWD barrels come with lifetime product and service warranty. If you experience any wear/fit/chambering issues, you can call LWD for service (very good people). I really abuse my LWD barrels and they keep performing round after round.

GLOOB
November 23, 2010, 10:00 PM
Oh, I agree there are plenty of good reasons to have a LW or other aftermarket barrel. I'm just highly doubtful that they (any aftermarket brand) are more accurate than stock Glock barrels, as a whole.

ET
November 23, 2010, 10:07 PM
I use a LW barrel to convert my Glock 27 to a 9mm, since Glock doesn't offer this option (they'd rather sell me another gun...imagine that!). I also bought a Storm Lake 357sig barrel for it. No problems from either. They might not be as hard as the OEM barrels, but they serve my needs.

bds
November 23, 2010, 11:00 PM
I'm just highly doubtful that they (any aftermarket brand) are more accurate than stock Glock barrels, as a whole.
To ease your curiosity, I have done comparison range tests and Glock barrels are more accurate than Lone Wolf barrels, but not by much.

Both factory and LWD barrels in 9mm and 40S&W produce consistent sub 1" shot groups at 7 yards out of G22/G27 off hand.

fae.gmp
January 2, 2011, 01:26 PM
I know this thread is older now, but does anyone know if the lonewolf G20 6" will work in the G29. A clerk at a store said no because it doesn't list it when buying the 6". But that doesn't mean it won't.

bds
January 2, 2011, 01:41 PM
Fullsize Glock barrel is not interchangeable with subcompacts, but compact barrel is interchangeable with subcompacts.

Example: G19 barrel will fit in G26 (barrel will stick out about 1/2 inch).

I thought the same at first, but ended up needing to order separate barrels for G22 and G27.


4 Lone Wolf barrels I have been "drop in" and worked great but finally ran into a LW barrel that was just a bit tight in the chamber. In case anyone is interested, I enlarged the chamber with success in this thread - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6934387

Harley Quinn
January 2, 2011, 02:39 PM
bds

It was a common thing with the 1911's to rework some...I read your other thread, good job...

Many would have done a chamber casting (rifle tech) sent it into RCBS have a sizing die made and run ammo through it, but what you did was perfect IMHO...

:D

Girodin
January 2, 2011, 07:38 PM
To ease your curiosity, I have done comparison range tests and Glock barrels are more accurate than Lone Wolf barrels, but not by much.

I do not think we can extrapolate anything from your sample size of one barrel per manufacturer.

bds
January 3, 2011, 12:49 AM
Harley Quinn, thank you. I had a great reloading mentor who was a match shooter and did all his gunsmith work. When I picked up my first 1911, he walked me through the trigger job and hand fitting of parts, etc. Only hand files were allowed - no Dremel. I remember spending over 2 hours hand filing to fit a Wilson Combat Hi-Ride beaver tail and hand polishing the chamber. Really makes you "connect" with your firearms working on them because you learn better as to what makes them tick.

I do not think we can extrapolate anything from your sample size of one barrel per manufacturer.
FWIW, seven Glocks and 5 Lone Wolf barrels. I know this is a limited sample size, but if I had to, I would not hesitate to use any one of my LW barrels for match shooting.

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