[TX Hemi]

I was wondering if some one could tell me what the different types of ammo are and what would be the best for my situation. I have a 45 Taurus Millennium Pro that I will be caring at my new job as the security director at my church. Since I can’t go to the store and buy ammo I guess I have to purchase it on line. So here is my problem, what is 45 GAP, 45 ACP, 45 Auto Rim, 45 Super, and 45 Colt? I would appreciate any feedback and pointers that ya’ll might have.

Thank
Alan

[average_shooter]

.45 Colt is probably the first cartridge invented from your list there. It's a revolver cartridge, with a rim, and will not fit in a semi-auto not designed for the round.

.45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) is the pretty standard ".45" cartridge for .45-caliber semi-autos. This cartridge is "rimless" meaning the rim that the extractor catches on is flush with the sides of the case. A case drawn of, say, the edge of a table will not catch.

.45 GAP (Glock Automatic Pistol) is essentially a .45 ACP shortened so Glock could shorten the grips on their .45-caliber pistols making them fit some peoples' hands better.

I'm not real sure about the .45 Auto Rim or .45 Super, can't help you there.

I believe there's also a .45 Scholfield, and we don't need to get into .45-70, .45-90, etc.

If you're looking for ammo for a Taurus Mil Pro I believe that you should look for .45 ACP. There should be some markings dictating specific caliber somewhere on the firearm, or the packaging it came in. In my experience, if the slide/barrel/frame are stamped ".45 Auto" it's referring to .45 ACP.

[1SOW]

You need .45ACP.

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP

At the bottom of this site is info on .45 super & more.
'Paraphrased: In 1988 a stronger case (still the same size as .45ACP) was developed to shoot a "hotter" .round. Starline had one. A 230 gr bullet will reach 1100+ fps.
It is not recommended to shoot a .45 Super round in a .45ACP gun.

[Mark whiz]

Those are all .45 caliber cartridges, but with different style cases to be shot in different types of guns.
The .45ACP is by far the most common of those cartridges - which gives you the most choice when choosing specific bullets and now with ammo pretty scarce in the stores, it gives you the best chance of actually FINDING some ammo at all. I imagine your Taurus is chambered for the .45ACP (which it will say on the upper I'm sure) - so NONE of those other types will work in it..............Do NOT try it!!!

In a Security position, you will definitely want a good defensive round - so the Speer Gold Dot ammo is a good choice, but there are others. I would prefer 230gr rounds in this role, but I've found that my 1911-A1 really shoots 200gr bullets better - so you need to try a few different types to see which works best in your pistol. You will want 100% reliability with the ammo feeding, so if a type tends to cause jams - don't even think about using it on the job.

[The Bushmaster]

You are the security director of your church and you don't know what ammunition your handgun uses?

If I were you, I'd think real serious about a course on firearms and safety...

[Randy1911]

The 45 Auto Rim is basically a 45 ACP with a rim on the case so it can be used in a revolver. It will not work in a semi-automatic.

[Hutch]

Since I can’t go to the store and buy ammo I guess I have to purchase it on line.Why is that? As stated by other posters, your pistol fires .45ACP ammo, which is very commonly available (the current excitement notwithstanding). As another poster noted, you really REALLY need to go get some training and trigger time before assuming your responsibilities as security director.

[KenWP]

I am trying to figure out what kind of church needs a security director. We don't even lock the doors to the church's in a lot of places here yet.

[The Bushmaster]

KenWP...Had any churches attacked by screwballs lately? To tell the truth...I believe his church would be better off allowing concealed carry by its parisheners rather then to put all their eggs in the basket of a "security director"....

[243winxb]

The Taurus PT 145 Millennium Pro .45 ACP pistol TX Hemi, You firearm is chambered to take ammo listed as 45 ACP. Then you have choice of bullet nose types. FMJ (full metal jacket) it feeds and works well in all guns. Hollow points are made to expand more on impact with there target. Some guns may not load hollow point bullets from the magazone 100 percent of the time. And in my opinion, a hollow pointed bullet is not of much use in a 45acp. The diameter of the bullet is all that is need and does the job well. Buy yourself some 45 ACP ammo loaded with a 230Gr FMJ round nose. http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=3&categoryId=7553&categoryString=653***691***

[SASS#23149]

If you don't know the answer to your own question,please DO go get some firearms training,as it's a very very basic-knowledge question.I do not mean this in a smart-assed way,ok?
I also agree that if the powers-that-be feel the need for security,then urge all gun-knowledgable parishoners to get a permit,and carry to church.
IF the doo doo hits the fan,and IF you get shot,heaven forbid,the security of the parishoners is now NIL.
Security is a personal business,I'll take care of mine,thank you.

[The Bushmaster]

I concur SASS...If a church doesn't allow my gun then it doesn't want me either....

[rcmodel]

Buy yourself some 45 ACP ammo loaded with a 230Gr FMJ round nose. Bad choice in a crowded church.

A .45 ACP hardball load will penetrate at least two or three people stacked prison lover style. Tests I have seen indicate 26"+ penetration in ballistics gel.

I'd suggest something in the 185 - 200 grain JHP range for reliable expansion and less penetration.

As for the OP's question?
I'd have to strongly suggest some hard-core gun training before you even get close to a crowded church with a loaded .45!!!

rc

[buck460XVR]

I do not mean this in a smart-assed way,ok?


Same here, so don't take offense. I'm just wondering if this is a sincere post or just another trolling job. I mean, how does one get a position as security director, get issued a firearm that is generally far from a "first" handgun(.45acp) and not even know the proper bullets to use in it? Sounds to me like an accident waitin' to happen.........

[Marlin 45 carbine]

I'm surprised the appointment went to someone new to handguns - usually this would go to someone with leo/security/mp training.
that said he needs some of the 'frangible' ammo IMO for a large close-in crowd. (I've never used it, just read that it would be the ticket for the application and is what I would use myself)

[The Bushmaster]

Church (mall) ninja??

[243winxb]

Bad choice in a crowded church. The security guard is outdoors guarding the parking lot that my buddy goes to. If your going to shoot into a car, give me FMJ ty. Some guns may not load hollow point bullets from the magazine 100 percent of the time.

[JCisHe]

We have folks that CC in our church and they are the "security team." There's a plan laid out and because they already have the licenses and experience leadership thought that was best.

They just meet once a month and go over the plans. There is nothing visible but there are enough folks that a gunman would have some serious trouble. Perhaps your church might want to adopt something like that?

[kyo]

i don't believe this is real

[DUCKNDAWG]

I dont either. has gun and dont know whether it is a long colt or an acp? SMELLS FISHY to me

[putteral]

Must be a prank!

[COSteve]

I am trying to figure out what kind of church needs a security director. We don't even lock the doors to the church's in a lot of places here yet.


Wasn't a bad idea here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings





Alan, you want .45 acp (also called .45 Auto).

Don't worry about people busting your chops... particularly when they say things like:

that said he needs some of the 'frangible' ammo IMO for a large close-in crowd. (I've never used it, just read that it would be the ticket for the application and is what I would use myself)

Again, don't get discouraged. We want you among us, just please get some training.

[ranger335v]

(Quebec): "We don't even lock the doors to the church's in a lot of places here yet. "

We didn't, in the distant past.

Liberals took control of education and things went down hill. Liberals took control of government and things went down hill. Liberals took control of the legal system and things went down hill. Our economy and government is full of corruption and greed. Our people are looking for increased hand outs. Many of us think others owe us something to the point of situation ethics comes into play, "if I want it, I will take it or elect a politician who will take it for me."

Our kids haven't been taught absolute standards of right and wrong nor have they been disciplined for so long now that even the parents have no idea of what they are supposed to do to teach kids how to behave. It's been "if it feels good, do it" for too long. Couple all that with our shifting population mix and we are no longer what we were, nor can we ever be again.

All these changes were for the "good of the kids" and being "fair" of course, to the Marxist/Facist mindset.

From what I read, Canada is following pretty closely in our path so your turn is coming.

[kyo]

thats a very slanted view ranger, but its yours and you can have it

[TX Hemi]

Thanks to all the serious reply ya’ll have been a great help and thanks COSteve for the link to the Colorado shoot and I’m trying to attach a file called The Guardians Call that was written about that incident.

FYI for the others I have had firearm safety training and I guess I was absent the day that they talk about the ammo for all the guns in the world and the future purchases that I may or may not make. I’ll try to have a crystal ball ready next time so I can be the expert like ya’ll.

Enough with the idiots.

Thanks
Alan

[kyo]

hey man im not the one who assigned you to protect people with a gun you have no training or ammunition for. don't call me an idiot. :what:

[TX Hemi]

Kyo did not call you an idiot you just question the validity of this post not the innocents of the question. I hope this answers your question.

[The Bushmaster]

Do not feed the troll!!

About the time his church finds out that he is very limited in his knowledge of the gun and use of said gun it probably will be too late anyway...

[243winxb]

what is 45 GAP, 45 ACP, 45 Auto Rim, 45 Super, and 45 Colt? Most have a .452" diameter bullet. The GAP has shorter brass then the ACP. Auto Rim is a ACP with a rim. Colt has a rim, is a longer case then ACP & is fired in a revolver. I know litte of the Super, like a ACP on steroids. If you would like to look at each, go here and click on the named cartridge. http://www.stevespages.com/page8d.htm

[TX Hemi]

Thanks 243

[oneounceload]

FYI for the others I have had firearm safety training and I guess I was absent the day that they talk about the ammo for all the guns in the world and the future purchases that I may or may not make. I’ll try to have a crystal ball ready next time so I can be the expert like ya’ll.

nice attitude......try looking on the side of your gun - it will tell you the caliber to use - pretty basic stuff; you could also try "google"

[243winxb]

TX Hemi, your welcome, some people just cant answer the question and let it go at that. :D To funny, great when nothing is on tv. In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]:D: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

[The Bushmaster]

243winxb...Tell me if you want him [TX Hemi] protecting you while you are in church. Man(?) hasn't a clue as to what to feed his Taurus Mil. Pro. (a piece of junk in the first place) and he is the "security director?...:banghead:

Give me a break here...:scrutiny:

[TX Hemi]

Thanks again
http://www.stevespages.com/page8d.htm
great info

[ETXhiker]

Good grief. God forbid, we should let a troll make utter fools of us by not calling them out on the slightest suspicion something isn't kosher. Better to burn down a newbie who is trying to learn, than take a chance on that, right?

Maybe this guy isn't being straight up, I don't know, but I'm surprised at the self-righteous venom he has caught from what may be a sincere desire to learn about firearms and shooting. I thought we needed all the friends we can get right now...

[JCisHe]

It's more "natural" to be ruthless than kind.

[buck460XVR]

Good grief. God forbid, we should let a troll make utter fools of us by not calling them out on the slightest suspicion something isn't kosher. Better to burn down a newbie who is trying to learn, than take a chance on that, right?


I have no problem with newbies, we were all there once. My problem is with them being in charge of security and being issued a gun when they have no idea what bullet it eats. Then being allowed to carry it loaded in venues where there are lots of women and children.:eek:

FYI f I guess I was absent the day that they talk about the ammo for all the guns in the world and the future purchases that I may or may not make. I’ll try to have a crystal ball ready next time so I can be the expert like ya’ll.

Enough with the idiots.


......not exactly the type of Christian reply I'd expect either, but, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.:rolleyes:

[kyo]

This isn't about ruthlessness or kindness. I want to know what retard gave him the position of security director when he doesn't know things a security director would know. it doesn't seem right, and im not trying to be mean, but I am using common sense here.
Read the first post.

[Mal H]

This thread was never about reloading, and it became antagonistic (on both sides) soon after it started.

Tx Hemi - if you have additional questions, don't hesitate to ask them, but in the proper forum. That would be the "Autoloader" forum if the question is about your stated pistol.

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