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jim357
August 2, 2009, 01:36 PM
I am about to retire and REALLY live in two different states. I own a house in each state. Does anyone else here do this and what do you use for ID when buying guns? I can only have one divers license and no ID card becaue I have a drivers license. I don't want to change my drivers license every couple of months. Anyone with experience????

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nalioth
August 2, 2009, 01:39 PM
This has been covered here quite a bit.

You keep your drivers license in one state and get a state issued ID from the other state (with the appropriate address on it).




It sounds very fishy that one state won't issue you an ID because you have a drivers license. . .

jim357
August 2, 2009, 01:48 PM
The two states are Arizona and California and neither will issue an ID card to someone with a valid drivers license even if the drivers license is from another state. Info is from DMV in each state.

Mags
August 2, 2009, 02:29 PM
Sell the house in California and stay in Arizona. Seriously California? Come on now.

Prince Yamato
August 2, 2009, 08:26 PM
If the property is on the border, I say keep the California license so that you can get CCW in California. You can buy most AWs CA compliant with a "bullet guide" installed. Simply bring the guns you want to your house in AZ and get rid of the bullet guide. Keep the high-cap mags and such at your AZ house.

jim357
August 2, 2009, 08:34 PM
I will be 100 percent legit with the living in the two houses. I guess I could flip flop the drivers licenses, but changing every month or two would be crazy. I want to be completely legal. I know that there are people doing this and wonder how they handle it. Thanks

flrfh213
August 2, 2009, 09:25 PM
i think they have a primary and a vacation home....

oneounceload
August 2, 2009, 10:48 PM
You would need to declare one of the residences as your primary. AZ might be better from a tax standpoint. I believe the gun sales are a lot easier to do in AZ as well, so my vote would be to make AZ my residence and buy my guns in that state. We had LOTS of CA folks when I lived in the Reno area move in - some had homes in both places - they made NV their primary for tax purposes - seemed to work well. Living now in FL, we have a lot of snowbirds that own a home here and in their other state. Since they spend most of their time in the other state, they leave their licenses alone. To change your license every three months or so would be ridiculously expensive - you'd be paying for 5 years or so every few months

Airpark
August 2, 2009, 11:03 PM
Had same problem. Had nice "Summer Home" and other permanent residence.

Have passport, Militarty ID (Retired), DL, CCW Permit, etc. but found no way to get the summer home state delers, pawn shops, etc., to co-operate and sell me gun.

They would recognize the CCW Permit and I was legal...BUT. would not sell me a gun.

Like the other poster said, changing DL every 8 months is/was not an option.

Good Luck,
Bill H

NavyLCDR
August 3, 2009, 12:52 AM
I would go with an AZ driver's license (IF they won't issue an ID card that is not a driver's license). Buy all your guns in AZ and use the handgun importer's form to register the handguns in CA that you wish to take with you to California.

Myself, I have a Wyoming driver's license, an active duty military ID card, and a Washington State ID card. The WA State ID Card (plus WA CPL) allow me to buy handguns from FFL's without having to have a certified copy of my orders to show them. The CPL gets me out of the 3 day handgun wait.

mxl
August 3, 2009, 03:54 PM
I am retired and own place in Az. and Mo. and spend 6 mon. each place. Both my wife and me have Mo. driver's license and Az. IDs. Whoever told you Az. wouldn't issue an ID if you have a Ca. license didn't give you good info. Az. does want some photo ID. I don't recall if I used my Mo. driver's license or a passport.

unspellable
August 3, 2009, 09:56 PM
I've had this problem in the past and now have it again. I've not heard of any good answers. Next time I go back to the other state I might try the ID thing an see if it flies.
The other car stays in the other state and has plates from their so if I drive it my driver's license and plates don't match.

The screwy part is that when I was a legal resident in a foreign country I could maintain my US state residency with no problem.

Federal law says I can buy in both states, but no dealer is going to sell if I don't have ID.

dullh
August 3, 2009, 10:28 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're fishing for the ability to buy guns in either of two states...ain't gonna happen.

I live in a place where rich Floridians spend half the year. They own large houses on golf courses. They pay taxes to this county. However, until they ditch FL and become NC residents they are still FLORIDA residents. They are not allowed to buy any guns here in NC and walk out of the store with them. Those guns they buy here have to be sent 600 miles south and transferred to them (by a dealer in FL) when they go back down there.

The local gun shop has fielded so many arguments over this they put up a sign:

You have to be a NORTH CAROLINA resident to buy a gun.

Of course, here, you have to have either a purchase permit issued by the Sheriff or a CCW permit. The Sheriff only issues to legal residents of the county he's over and NC does not issue CCW permits to non-residents, so FL DL + NC gun shop = no gun.

It doesn't matter if you pay taxes in the other state...you can only be a legal resident of ONE state.

Somebody mentioned that a certain state won't issue an ID card to someone who has an out of state DL...NC won't either. Besides - in NC you can NOT buy a gun on an ID card!.

If I was in a similar position I would say SCREW KALI and I'd move back into the U.S.A.

nalioth
August 4, 2009, 01:09 AM
It doesn't matter if you pay taxes in the other state...you can only be a legal resident of ONE state. This is untrue. According to the feds, you can be a resident of multiple states.

You have the situation in NC that you have because the sheriff's office won't issue permits to "out of staters", even if they live in NC during portions of the year, right?

NavyLCDR
August 4, 2009, 01:50 AM
Besides - in NC you can NOT buy a gun on an ID card!.

If I was in a similar position I would say SCREW KALI and I'd move back into the U.S.A.

Since you live in North Carolina, you should take your own advice and say SCREW NC and move back into the U.S.A. where you CAN buy a gun with just an ID card!

Mags
August 4, 2009, 02:04 AM
I agree with you on that suggestion LT. I used to live there it sure is a pretty place but I refuse to live in a place that requires a permit to purchase a gun. Finally got the wife to understand as well since all of her family lives back in NC, we have came to an agreement to live in the most free states we can. (with the exception of Vermont and Montana just too darn cold)

razorback2003
August 4, 2009, 03:02 AM
I would keep my California residency so that I could have a CA license to carry in the county of my residency. My understanding is, if you are not a CA resident, it is basically impossible to get a license in CA as a nonresident. Your CA license to carry is then good in Arizona. An Arizona license is not good in California.

You should be able to buy long guns in Arizona from an FFL as a California resident and keep the military style ones that are 'illegal' in CA at your house in Arizona. That is what I would do.

Both states have state income taxes. I don't know what your income situation is as far as tax planning which state would be better for you money wise. If you were comparing Nevada to California, and you didn't care about having a California license, I'd say get the Nevada residency to avoid California income taxes.

I have heard car licensing in California is a pain too. I don't know how much you'd save by licensing a car in Arizona. A lot to think of.

Generally, you can't have but one true state of residency, unless you are filthy rich and can afford tax attorneys. Put it all down on paper and compare. If I already had a CA license...and I wouldn't save much tax wise by declaring Arizona residency...I'd keep my Ca residency to keep my Ca license or the pursuit of a CA license.

grunt0311
August 4, 2009, 06:00 AM
I would stick with AZ. Less restrictive on what you can buy, if the gun situation is the major factor on your mind. I can't really comment on CA. I have not been there sence pre Brady. What the "H" is a bullet guide???

Art Eatman
August 4, 2009, 10:02 AM
There is state law and there is federal law. Federal law says that you can legally buy a firearm in your second-home state so long as you have proof of ownership/utility bills/tax statements and the like to show that it's not merely an occasional weekend deal. 4473 and NICS as usual. You really do live there for parts of the year. You can likely find answers in the Q&A part of the BATFE website. Those have been cited here in other threads on this subject.

You may have to educate a gunshop owner, of course, since paranoia is a job prerequisite in this day and age. IOW, have a printout of BATFE info.

mp510
August 4, 2009, 12:25 PM
Besides - in NC you can NOT buy a gun on an ID card!.

In Connecticut, you can buy a gun with a non-driver state ID card. I bought my first gun with one before I had a DL. There was no blank for ID on the state paperwork, only DL. The instructions were to cross-out DL, write in "state-ID" and fill in the blanks.

mp510
August 4, 2009, 12:26 PM
There is state law and there is federal law. Federal law says that you can legally buy a firearm in your second-home state so long as you have proof of ownership/utility bills/tax statements and the like to show that it's not merely an occasional weekend deal. 4473 and NICS as usual. You really do live there for parts of the year. You can likely find answers in the Q&A part of the BATFE website. Those have been cited here in other threads on this subject.

You may have to educate a gunshop owner, of course, since paranoia is a job prerequisite in this day and age. IOW, have a printout of BATFE info.
They also extend the same ability to purchase to out of state students with proof of enrollment.

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