Whats Your Favorite Missouri Bullet Load


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My(2)Cents
August 3, 2009, 09:35 AM
So far I've done 5.0 gr of bullseye with there IDP #1 200 gr LSWC. Also I've done 4.3 and 4.5 gr of Red Dot with the Bulllseye #1 200 gr LSWC.
I tried a few of the 230gr RN and the 200gr RNFP. All of this out of a EAA Witness Compact .45 . I liked the 200gr RNFP because I had no feeding issues.
Lets see if we can get this going to see what everyone uses in there missouri bullets. I'm about to start loading .380 any good missouri bullet loads out there?

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Corner Pocket
August 3, 2009, 10:03 AM
I've loaded about 1,500 of their IDP #4-XD 200 gr RNFP bullets thus far. These are with three different recipes, all three with OAL set at 1.210.

-- Bullseye 4.1 gr
-- Unique 5.5 gr
-- HS-6 8.4 gr

I am happy with each of these loads, and with several hundred of each of them now fired through my new .45, it seems to enjoy eating each of these recipes. Cool! ;)

Corner Pocket

floydster
August 3, 2009, 01:35 PM
All Missouri bullets,
45ACP 3.9 gr. Trail Boss Soft Ball RN 230 gr. ( my favorite load)
45 ACP 5.2 gr. Bullseye IDP #1 200 gr. LSWC
45ACP 4.2 gr. Bullseye IDP#1 200 gr. LSWC
38 SPL. 3.7 gr. Trail Boss 38 Match 158 gr.LSWC
38 Super 4.2 gr. 231 Sub Sonic 147 gr.
9mm. 3.3 gr. Bullseye Small Ball 125 gr.

Another one of my favorites is:
45 ACP 5.2 gr. Bullseye IDP #4 200gr. RNFP

Thses are all excellent loads my guns.
Floydster

halfded
August 3, 2009, 02:57 PM
45 colt 4 5/8" barrel ruger vaquero:

200 grain LRNFP over 6.2 grains of trailboss, OAL 1.567 give or take. Accurate, low recoil round.

200 grain LRNFP over 6.6 grains of Red Dot, same OAL. Just as accurate, if not more so, than the trailboss; recoil has a little bit more attitude to it.

Gonna start working up a good target load for 38 special soon using Missouri's 158 grain LSWC.

Landric
August 3, 2009, 03:57 PM
Lets see:

.45 ACP:

250 grain RNFP (BHN 12), 4.0 grains Trail Boss, Wolf LP Primer
200 grain RNFP (BHN 18), 5.0 grains Titegroup, Wolf LP Primer

.44 Russian:

240 grain RNFP (BHN 12), 4.2 grains Titegroup, Wolf LP Primer

.38 Special:

158 grain RN (BHN 12), 6.5 grains HS-6, Winchester SP Magnum Primer

.32 S&W Long:

100 grain RNFP, 2.0 grains Trail Boss, Federal SP Primer

RichardKCMo
August 4, 2009, 07:19 PM
.38 swc 158gr. 2.7gr. trailboss very little recoil and almost no smoke.
Seems kinda' like throwing rocks,lots of fun, will work up from there.
I hope it doesn't lead the barrel as their lcswc bullets are 16 on the hardness scale.
I have heard that shooting a hard bullet slow can cause that.
Richard

Roccobro
August 4, 2009, 11:37 PM
But what about their new .380's??? lol

Justin

8ring
August 5, 2009, 11:04 PM
Here's what I use in a SW 625 .45 acp revolver with 5" barrel Federal Primers used in all loads:

230gr Soft Ball:

3.7gr Clays. Nice load that makes major PF easily.

3.8gr N-310. Better than the Clays load, more consistent, softer, and less smoke.

200gr RNFP

4.8gr American Select. The load feels good and is accurate but leaves some unburned powder and a little lead in the barrel.

5.1 gr. Winchester Super Target. WST is superb in medium loads with lead bullets.

Chris

My(2)Cents
August 8, 2009, 02:31 PM
I think I found my fav .45 target load with missouri bullets. A 200gr LSWC pushed out with 4.2Gr of Bullseye. gives it almost no kick and keeps it on target. also keeps the brass from flyin' away. If all you want is to punch neat holes in paper this is your load. This load is shot out of my EAA Witness compact and it cycles with no problems.

lonewolf5347
August 8, 2009, 02:53 PM
#1 45 acp 200 grains SWC win: 231 4.9 grains my 1911 SA
I am going to try some clays with the above bullet in around 3.6 charge to start

bombmaster
August 8, 2009, 06:56 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=103014&d=1249771688

Here is the data I have put together from my testing.
My favorite load is still 4.5gn. of 700x behind 200gn LRNFP from Missouri. I will soon be changing it from 1.20 to 1.21 in an attempt to reduce leading. I will report back after I chamber check and fire it.

tincanhunter
August 8, 2009, 09:40 PM
45ACP 200gr SWC, 6.0gr Winchester WSF, Federal large pistol primers.

Out of my H&K 45 USP Compact yields 1.17" groups at 25 yds.

TigerBight
August 9, 2009, 03:51 AM
I been playing with the new 380 and it is a winner. I started with 2.2 then to 2.4 of win 231 small pistol primer and a oal of .970 works like a champ for a light starting load. I could shoot all day long with these 2 loads. I am trying a couple other loads tomorrow. the 2.2 crono at 600 fps the 2.4 were 650 fps these loads shoot like a 22 would make great new shooter loads. I am useing a ruger lcp the rounds cycled perfect. great bullet missouri bullet I think I will order some for my 10mm.

Roccobro
August 9, 2009, 11:42 PM
TigerBight- Any signs of leading with those powderpuff loads? Are you using other lubes with the factory blue?

Thanks!

Justin

TigerBight
August 10, 2009, 12:07 AM
no lead so far, those were starting rounds I wanted to start low and work up 2 tenths at a time. Today I bummped them up to 3.2 and they seem to perform closer to factory loads. I will use the lower powder rounds to start training my young daughter.

Roccobro
August 10, 2009, 02:04 AM
Thanks for the response. :)

Justin

Wilki713
August 12, 2009, 12:46 PM
Does anyone shoot 40 S&W from MBC if so do you have any load data? Thanks

Randal45
August 12, 2009, 03:00 PM
5.8grns Unique pushing 45ACP 230 soft ball

schmeky
August 12, 2009, 04:43 PM
Wilki713,

I use the 170 LSWC from MB. I've had great results with 3.0 grains of Clays and 3.0 grains of Bullseye. I have also used 3.4-3.6 grains of WW231. No leading in my CZ-75/.40.

I use a lot of MB's 185 and 200 LSWC's through my 1911's, CZ-97, Sig 220, and Witness .45.

In my CZ-97, 3.6 grains of Bullseye will do 1.0", and 3.6-3.8 grains of Clays will do the same. My all time best ever group uses a 185 LSWC, 4.6 grains of WW231, 1.240" OAL - 5 rounds in 9/16" at 25 yards, again in my CZ-97.

Speedo66
August 12, 2009, 05:15 PM
4.5g of Trailboss behind their 180g .401 roundnose flatpoint in my .38-40 Winchester 1873.

Feeds nice, practically no recoil, accurate.

tincanhunter
August 12, 2009, 09:52 PM
Wilki713 - Missouri 180gr truncated cone bullets with 7.6gr AA#7 gives ~1.4" groups at 25 yds out of my P229. Using same powder and charge, I got <1" groups using similar Magnus bullets. Point of impact was the same for both bullet manufacturers. Difference in grouping is most likely due to my shooting....cup of coffee earlier and a hot day out with the Missouri bullets.

Wilki713
August 14, 2009, 07:36 PM
Thanks for loads for 40 S&W.

My(2)Cents
August 19, 2009, 04:11 PM
Well just got back from the range! Tested the 95gr .380 LRN bullets from missouri. Rds were tested with 2.8, 2.4, and 2.0 gr of Red Dot, outta my wifes .380 bersa. 2.8 felt about like the factory loads that we had and the 2.0 felt to weak and my guess is it wouldn't be accurate out past 7 yds. Now the 2.4 felt great and is goin to be my target load for this bullet.

ezypikns
August 19, 2009, 05:22 PM
What is a Missouri Bullet?

MissouriBullet
August 19, 2009, 05:58 PM
What is a Missouri Bullet?
It would be one made by Missouri Bullet Company!

:-)

Brad

Gryffydd
August 19, 2009, 06:06 PM
I'm currently loving their 300gr .452 TC in my .45 Colt. Over the top of 19.0gr of Lil' Gun I'm getting great accuracy and NO leading, but PLENTY of oomph.
I'm just sad that it's their only bullet suitable for the .45 Colt at magnum velocity. I'd LOVE to see some 250-270gr LSWC/Keith style bullets at 18 hardness.
But if I'm the first one to mention these, maybe there's just not that much of a demand?

MissouriBullet
August 20, 2009, 08:11 AM
I'm currently loving their 300gr .452 TC in my .45 Colt. Over the top of 19.0gr of Lil' Gun I'm getting great accuracy and NO leading, but PLENTY of oomph.
I'm just sad that it's their only bullet suitable for the .45 Colt at magnum velocity. I'd LOVE to see some 250-270gr LSWC/Keith style bullets at 18 hardness.
But if I'm the first one to mention these, maybe there's just not that much of a demand?
But we have those. Not on the website yet. Just ask for the Cowboy #9 and request hard alloy and it'll be 18 BHN. This is the 255 grain SWC, Keith-style but with bevel-base.

Brad

Gryffydd
August 20, 2009, 09:52 AM
But we have those. Not on the website yet. Just ask for the Cowboy #9 and request hard alloy and it'll be 18 BHN. This is the 255 grain SWC, Keith-style but with bevel-base.
Sweet!! I didn't realize I could ask for a different alloy. I'll be needing some more of those pretty soon.
Thanks!

Brad

baycrab
September 22, 2009, 11:51 PM
Hers is some of my personal observations based on my equipment and methods.



All are based on 10 shot strings from an H & K USP .45 full size (octagonal barrel). Barrel cleaned between strings and mixed range brass. I have been working on an IPSC major power factor load. I have had no feed errors. A 1.240 OAL leaves just a few thousand inches of the bullet shoulder exposed above the case neck. The octagonal barrelcoupled with the .452 bullet seems to give a lot higher velocity than I have seen with most load data (can you have too good of a seal?).



Hodgdon Clays powder

Missouri Bullet Bullseye #1 .452 LSWC 200 gr

Charge/vel (Ft sec)

1.240 OAL



3.6 764

3.7 802

3.8 830

3.9 861 (heavy smoke)

4.0 876 (heavy smoke)

Some leading at 3.8 progressively gets worse to 4.0



Hodgdon Clays powder

Missouri Bullet IDP #1 .452 LSWC 200 gr

1.240 OAL



3.6 796

3.7 815

3.8 826

3.9 839 (heavy smoke)

Some leading at 3.6. Little to no leading at 3.7-3.9.



Hodgdon Universal Clays powder

Missouri Bullet IDP #1 .452 LSWC.452 LSWC 200 gr

1.240 OAL



5.3 776

5.5 835

5.7 858 (my new IPSC load)

Some leading at 5.3. Little to no leading at 5.5 and 5.7





Hodgdon Universal Clays powder

Missouri Bullet Bullseye #1 .452 LSWC 200 gr

1.240 OAL



6.0 878 (min load from Hodgdon for a .451 LSWC)

6.2 939

First trial load with universal powder, way too heavy for a soft bullet

heaving leading

juk
September 24, 2009, 01:51 AM
I just started reloading for 45ACP, but so far, my CZ97 loves the IDP#4 200grn RNFP over 4.0 grains of Clays. I had planned on trying their other boolits, but if these keep making the target swing, I doubt I will try another.

squarles67
September 24, 2009, 02:31 PM
.40 S&W - 170 LSWC IDP#2 over 4.9g HP-38
.45ACP - 230g LRN Soft Ball over 5.2g HP-38
9mm - 125 LRN Small Ball over 4.6 g HP-38
38 spl - 158 RNFP #15 cowboy over 3.1 g Clays
357 mag - 158 RNFP #1 Ranger over 6g Unique

achildofthesky
October 2, 2009, 11:19 AM
I have been shooting a mess of the 44 "smasher" bullets out of my Marlin 1894ss with any old brass I have, but loaded in lots by headstamp. WLP primer, 9.0gr of Herco or 9-10gr of Unique. Very amusing plinker load that I wouldn't hesitate to use on deer at shorter ranges if'n I ran out of jacketed bullets.

Also loaded up a slew of the 405gr, 45 cal "Buffalo" bullets for a Marlin 1895 using H4198 in Starline brass with WLR primers. I used 29-30gr for lighter loads and 39.0gr of the H4198 for something more exhilarating...

I have a box of their 160gr .308 dia "whitetail" 30-30 bullet but haven't found a great load for that yet. Help would be appreciated for that...

Of course, the loads mentioned above are only safe for MY rifles, yada, yada, yada...

Be safe and keep the bullets flying
Patty

Quoheleth
October 7, 2009, 11:28 PM
I like 5.0 grains of Titegroup under MB's .357 Magnum bullet. Per the manual, it hits just over 1000fps. I find it flat-shooting, mild recoil, and just a fun load for plinking. At 50 yards out of my 6" Ruger GP100, this is a deadly combo for clay pidgeons tossed on the berm. Best of all, zero leading and minor smoke. This is a max load; reduce and work up to make sure it works in your gun.

In .45ACP, with the 185 SWC Bullseye #2, I really enjoy using Universal. The manual suggests a max of 6.4 gr Universal with this bullet. My Lee auto disc kit throws a 6 grain charge and it works very well out of my 1911s - smooth shooting, acceptable recoil, and relatively clean. At lower charge weights (5.4, I believe) I had lots of unburned flakes. Bumping up the charge a bit made all the difference.

I use Universal with good success in my 9mms and .38s, too. Medium loads seem to work well. Lately, I've been trying to use up my Bullseye so I can move on and try Unique.

Q

MadMex65
November 5, 2009, 01:51 PM
so I gather from what I've read...I shouldn't expect leading to occur in my 357 Blackhawk using the 357 Action bullets without gas checks up to 1500 fps???

ljnowell
November 5, 2009, 02:11 PM
I have a few that I really like.

45acp- 230gr softball 4.9gr IMR700x (duplicates feel and recoil of WWB, no leading)
" " 4.8gr Bullseye (same as above, really)

45 colt 255gr LSWC 5.5gr IMR 700x Nice feel, low recoil, low smoke, accurate.

**WARNING** The following load exceeds the maximum published data for .45 colt. This load is a ruger only load and should not be considered safe in any gun other than mine or one that it has been worked up in. The staff and admins of THR.ORG or myself are not responsible if you follow this data

45 colt -- 300gr LTC(silohoutte bullet) 18.0gr 2400. Very stout recoil, lots of bang. Accurate, but needs sight adjustments to be POA. Very fun to shoot, no leading.

twice barrel
November 12, 2009, 09:04 PM
What are the IDP# references? Where do you find COL for these?

Thanks,

TB

MissouriBullet
November 12, 2009, 09:47 PM
The IDP #1 (and the Bullseye #1) are standard H&G 68-style Magma Engineering designs. Odds are 99 to 1 that any load you see for a 200 grain SWC .452 bullet references this bullet.

I use 1.260 COAL with this bullet. But that's just me. I want a 1/32nds of an inch of bullet should protruding from the case mouth.

Brad

twice barrel
November 12, 2009, 10:04 PM
Brad,

That's how I was going to start after looking at the IDP#2 & IDP#5 bullets I received today. This is my first order from MBC and I had anticipated a note in the box suggesting "reference data for Lyman #xxxXXX when loading this bullet in 40 S&W" or some such suggestion. The shoulder on the two slugs is close enough that I felt that as long as the feeding thru the magazine wasn't an issue,what worked for one may very well work for the other even though the ogive was considerably different.

At any rate a google failed to turn up any International Defensive Pistol association nor did my Lyman reference (on the 170gr) although as you stated, I was going to just try a reasonable COL from common 180 gr LSW data as a starting point.

Appreciate the tips,

TB

atlanticfire
November 12, 2009, 10:47 PM
The "Crusher #1" as the box was labeled. 400Gr 500 Mag under 40gr of H110 and hold on!:evil:

MissouriBullet
November 13, 2009, 07:59 AM
You're a better man than me!

I'll make that one. I won't shoot that one :-)

MissouriBullet
November 13, 2009, 08:06 AM
Brad,

That's how I was going to start after looking at the IDP#2 & IDP#5 bullets I received today. This is my first order from MBC and I had anticipated a note in the box suggesting "reference data for Lyman #xxxXXX when loading this bullet in 40 S&W" or some such suggestion. The shoulder on the two slugs is close enough that I felt that as long as the feeding thru the magazine wasn't an issue,what worked for one may very well work for the other even though the ogive was considerably different.

At any rate a google failed to turn up any International Defensive Pistol association nor did my Lyman reference (on the 170gr) although as you stated, I was going to just try a reasonable COL from common 180 gr LSW data as a starting point.

Appreciate the tips,

TB
But those aren't bullets cast from Lyman moulds.

Here's what I do: I go to www.ask.com (won't use Google for political reasons) and enter something like +180 grain .401 tcfp load data and wind up with something like http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=40%20SqqqW&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=

as the first hit. There are enough data there that I interpolate down to starting loads for lead bullets of similar or identical designs.

We don't have a ballistics lab but then, we don't have to have one. Before the internet I made a habit of owning at least 3 reloading manuals and every powder/bullet manufacturers' data books that I could lay hands on in gun stores. There was never a problem figuring out good loads to start playing with.

The best reloading book I have owned, I must say, is "Pet Loads" by Ken Waters. I bought my copy in the 1980's when they were still bound in notebook style so that you could add updates as they arrived. A fine reference, good reading even for calibers you've never heard of. Very enjoyable.

Wilburt
November 13, 2009, 09:40 AM
I know not many people use this powder but I've been shooting IDPA with this:

IDP #1 .45 ACP 200 Gr LSWC

1.250 OAL
5.0 grs of WST (MAX listed in my manual: Use Caution)
Avg of about 850 fps.

I did get a bit of a spread so I need to work on my chrono techinques. No real leading and pretty clean. Also not too heavy on recoil.

rfwobbly
November 13, 2009, 08:18 PM
What is a Missouri Bullet?

It's a Bullet you have to shoot to put it out of its Misery.

twice barrel
November 13, 2009, 11:36 PM
I was using Lyman #XXXxxx as an example. Figured you were using "somebody's" mold to throw them and that it may be a bullet commonly referenced in literature.

Regards,

TB

MissouriBullet
November 14, 2009, 07:34 AM
I was using Lyman #XXXxxx as an example. Figured you were using "somebody's" mold to throw them and that it may be a bullet commonly referenced in literature.

Regards,

TB
Drawings of all the moulds we use are available in a .pdf download from www.magmaengineering.com, just FWIW.

My(2)Cents
December 25, 2009, 09:10 PM
To keep it current guys I am now favoring a 4.2 grs of bullseye with the 200 gr LSWC. Its a good target round not very fast but great for the range.
:D

I will be testing out 230g LRN and will post back with what loads I like.

Roccobro
December 25, 2009, 09:52 PM
2.0gr of W231 with the .380 ball. Light plinking load, cycles all the LCP's I've tried. Brass only a few feet around shooter.

Justin

rfwobbly
December 25, 2009, 11:14 PM
How fast are people shooting the 158gr "Match" in a 38 Spcl before they experience leading? My son is afraid to go past 3.6gr W231 with this bullet in his 6" GP100.

Scrapperz
April 5, 2010, 02:11 PM
Anyone have any load data for IDP #7? That would be a 140 Grain TCFP w/ a Brinnel of 18.

Gadzooks Mike
April 5, 2010, 04:13 PM
Anyone have any load data for IDP #7? That would be a 140 Grain TCFP w/ a Brinnel of 18.

No, but for IDP #2, 170gr, I'm using 4 grains of Titegroup. That should push that 140gr bullet out at around 950fps or so.

My(2)Cents
April 13, 2010, 09:59 PM
bump
:what:

Roccobro
April 14, 2010, 12:11 PM
What is a Missouri Bullet?It would be one made by Missouri Bullet Company!

That doesn't even scratch the surface of what a Missouri bullet is. The name is almost synonymous with a small evolution...

Justin

Dodge DeBoulet
April 14, 2010, 09:56 PM
Anyone have any load data for IDP #7? That would be a 140 Grain TCFP w/ a Brinnel of 18.
I've been using 5gr of Winchester Super Target and an OAL of 1.125" for these. They chrono at an average of 1046.3 with a SD of 16, fired from my FS S&W M&P with a 4.25" barrel. Makes for a PF of 146.

As I said over on TFL, nice load for plinking. Tack drivers that don't feel "hot."

Scrapperz
April 14, 2010, 10:00 PM
Dodge DeBoulet, Thanks for the info.

RippinSVT
April 15, 2010, 04:14 PM
If you shoot a .357 and haven't loaded up some 158gr Action! bullets over 5.0gr of Titegroup, you are missing out. One of the most accurate loads known to mankind.

flhtcuibyhd
April 15, 2010, 06:42 PM
Rippin - I've only been reloading about a year now and still piecing together the ins and outs. The Hodgdon website lists the starting load for Titegroup and 158gr SWC at 5.4 grains with a max of 6.1. How do you gauge creating a load below manufacturer starting loads? I'm fearful of leaving a bullet in the barrel. I do shoot MBC 158gr match .38 special rounds but am at the low end of their listed starting loads for W231 and Bullseye but would like to try some .357 loads as well.

Gik-tal
April 15, 2010, 11:18 PM
Ive been loading

45 ACP - 200 LSCW over 4.1 grains of IMR-700X

40 S&W 180 TCFP over 4.2 grains of IMR-700X

38 Special 141 DEWC over 2.8 grains of IMR-700X

bds
April 15, 2010, 11:59 PM
I have been test loading to do a comprehensive jacketed/plated/lead bullet comparison (11 bullet types in 9/40/45) and early testing results are very promising.

So far, I have several targets with 7-10 yard shot groups that are about 1" for MBC 9mm 125gr 18BHN "small ball" with 4.2 gr of W231/HP38 at 1.08" - 1.10" OAL. Very good slide cycling for my test Glock 27 with Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel (stiff recoil spring) and no leading so far.

RippinSVT
April 16, 2010, 12:06 AM
Rippin - I've only been reloading about a year now and still piecing together the ins and outs. The Hodgdon website lists the starting load for Titegroup and 158gr SWC at 5.4 grains with a max of 6.1. How do you gauge creating a load below manufacturer starting loads? I'm fearful of leaving a bullet in the barrel. I do shoot MBC 158gr match .38 special rounds but am at the low end of their listed starting loads for W231 and Bullseye but would like to try some .357 loads as well.

You won't, they are actually quite snappy, little over 1000fps.


I used a basic formula to derive the pressure point at which an 18-Brinell-hardness lead bullet will obturate in the bore without melting/deforming. I then loaded them at or just below that pressure (experimented shooting 4.8-5.4gr and did accuracy comparisons). 5.0 was just right.

BsChoy
April 16, 2010, 07:56 PM
Not to hijack the thread but, I noticed someone asked about using different lubes with the Missouri bullets. They are the 1st cast bullets I am loading for my M&P45 and I wanted to make sure they are ready to load right outta the box?

MissouriBullet
April 16, 2010, 08:00 PM
They are indeed sized and lubed and ready to go.

816ronp
April 22, 2010, 05:22 PM
I Have a box of 125gr small ball 9MM and a box of 147gr FP 9MM.
Can I use the same powder for both bullets or do I need to get two different powders?
I have only loaded 9MM jacketed ammo in the past and used Titegroup powder.
Is Titegroup good for lead bullets or would I be better off buying another powder?

816ronp
April 22, 2010, 05:34 PM
I Have a box of 125gr small ball 9MM and a box of 147gr FP 9MM.
Can I use the same powder for both bullets or do I need to get two different powders?
I have only loaded 9MM jacketed ammo in the past and used Titegroup powder.
Is Titegroup good for lead bullets or would I be better off buying another powder?

Roccobro
April 24, 2010, 04:02 PM
You can use TG for both calibers, but another powder *might* be better. Just depends on your results and preferences. ;)

Justin

tomsp8
May 25, 2010, 06:06 PM
Hopefully this post belongs here well enough, since I just bought my first
lead bullets. Will be reloading for my RIA 1911 45, using Bullseye powder.
I will be visiting my father, who reloads, & want to try to learn as
much as I can beforehand.
I bought the Missouri Bullet IDP#4-XD 200 gr rnfp, for general target shooting, and the "pin busters" 250 gr rnfp for potentially pin shooting.
My actual question has to do with the top groove in the bullet. As long as
the case mouth is above or below that groove for taper crimping, I'm good
right? Or do I even need to concern myself with that groove? (Obviously I will need to check for feeding at various col)
It just looks like all the normal swc 45acp bullets do not have that groove.

Any starting suggestions on the pin buster's using bullseye would
be appreciated.

Thanks

sjc11221
May 25, 2010, 09:47 PM
With the Cowboy #4 (200 gn rnfp) which is the same is as the IDP#4 except softer, I had best results with the case mouth just below the groove. My notes say OAL of 1.214".

tomsp8
May 25, 2010, 10:55 PM
Thanks, SJC.
Are you using these in a 1911? Are they good feeders?
By best results, are you referring to feeding reliability or accuracy?
Can the case rim wind up over the crimping groove, or should I focus
on staying at/below or at/above the groove? I assume the rim would still
headspace properly in the barrel even if the lip is centered in the groove
line or will it tend to draw into the groove during taper crimping causing
a problem seating in the chamber? I am guessing that we will load several
dummy rounds at various lengths to check cycling action. Does that
sound about right?
Thanks again, this helps a lot.

sjc11221
May 26, 2010, 09:34 PM
Hi Tom -

Yes, this is out of a 1911. I also have an RIA, with a 5" barrel. They fed just fine once I determined the COAL that my gun and magazines liked.

By best results I mean feeding reliability. With a shorter OAL (groove right at the case mouth or below the case mouth) I had occasional FTRB where the round would be ahead of the extractor.

You're right -- it really doesn't matter where that groove is. Since it's a taper crimp it headspaces on the case mouth and the groove doesn't come into play at all.

Dummy rounds are good and you can figure out your max OAL that way, but I only found my FTRB issues after loading up a bunch of rounds and shooting them.

tomsp8
May 26, 2010, 10:07 PM
Thanks again, sjc.
I appreciate your replies. I'll use your oal as a guide since the guns are the same.
You've been a big help.

sjc11221
May 27, 2010, 12:53 PM
Hi Tom - Glad to help.

In the interest of keeping this thread on topic, I guess I should post the load that I liked, huh?

For the Cowboy #4 200 gn RNFP in a 1911:
- 3.5 gn Bullseye, oal 1.214" -- Soft recoil, hilariously fun to plink with. A little dirty to clean up, but that's due to the low charge of Bullseye. No leading evident.

tomsp8
June 14, 2010, 09:15 PM
My update after the weekend at Pop's.
Loaded the 200's with 3.5 Bullseye at about 1.215.
The 250's required a much shorter col to feed. They ended up
at about 1.190 / 1.195 using 4.4 Bullseye. The 250's average around
805 fps, with no signs of excessive pressure. CCI primers in both.
The 200's averaged a leisurely 680 fps. A real pleasure to shoot, cycled fine, shot reasonably good, and the brass landed right at my feet.
Thanks again for the help, SJC.

tango2echo
June 14, 2010, 11:04 PM
.45ACP 6.0 Unique with the 230gr Softball

.45LC 6.0 TrailBoss with the 200gr RNFP Cowboy #4

Still working on a load for the .312 100gr RN in the .32 H&R Mag.

t2e

coyotemoon
November 25, 2010, 03:00 PM
I like the 230gr soft ball Missouri Bullet behind 4.3 gr Titegroup with Wolf LP primers in my 45ACP Witness Elite Match, very accurate and no leading and light recoil

schmeky
November 25, 2010, 05:23 PM
How good are MB's bullets? Here's 4.8 gns of Ramshot's ZIP pushing a 200 gn 18 brinell LSWC out of my match barrel equipped Enterprise Arms/Colt hi-cap 1911. At 25 yards from a bench rest, 6 out of 7 went into 11/16". Holy moly was I surprised :eek:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j235/schmeky/CZCustom059.jpg

Spartan299
December 26, 2010, 05:02 PM
Does anyone have a round worked up using the 185 grain LSWC using Bullseye? COL would be helpful, too. I'm new to the lead bullets and not that long in the tooth reloading, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Jesse Heywood
December 27, 2010, 12:36 AM
Since the thread got resurrected, here are mine.

.357 Action, 158 SWC
.38 Special: Red Dot 3.4 gr., SP primer
.357 Magnum: 4227 15.0 gr., SPM primer

Cowboy #6, 100 RNFP
.32-20: Bullseye 3.4 gr., SR primer

.45 Elmer K, 255 SWC
.45 Colt: 800-X 9.0 gr., LPM primer

.455 Eley: AA 2 5.2 gr., LP primer

.380 Secret Agent, 95 RN
.380 ACP: Red Dot 2.2 gr., SP primer

No-ladder
February 6, 2011, 12:13 AM
I have been loading the Missouri Bullet IDP #6 125 gr. TCFP for 9MM

4.0 gr bullseye
1.050 OAL
Win brass
WSP primers
Very pleased with this load. Very pleased with Missouri Bullet Company!

Lee

918v
February 6, 2011, 12:55 PM
45 ACP Revolver:

185gr Button + 3.3grs of Bullseye + FC-150 @ 1.166" OAL
200gr SWC (12BHN) + 3.9grs of Bullseye + FC-150 @ 1.250" OAL

45 ACP Pistol:

200gr SWC (either soft or hard) + 3.9grs of Bullseye + FC-100 (yes, FC-100) @ 1.250" OAL

mahansm
February 7, 2011, 11:35 AM
400 grain Crusher #1 over 11.5 grains of Trail Boss. Nice accuracy and soft recoil (well, for a .500 S&W). A few ladies from this weekend's group of new shooters tried it and liked it. (and no, I didn't let any of them shoot the more exciting loadings).

popper
February 7, 2011, 07:19 PM
One that doesn't 'pass-the-buck'

XSubSailor
May 27, 2011, 01:15 AM
Anyone loading 357 Sig here?

I thought the profile of the IDP #6 bullet looked promising for this caliber. It's hard to tell from the photo on the MBC website...is there a cannalure groove on this bullet?

_N4Z_
May 27, 2011, 11:34 AM
Just shot some favorite .357mag MBC loads this morning. Great way to start a long weekend! ;)

MBC 158gr RNFP
4.7gr Bullseye
R&P brass
CCI500

MBC 158gr RNFP
6.4gr Unique
R&P brass
CCI500

MBC 158gr RNFP
12gr AA#9
R&P brass
CCI500

MBC 158gr RNFP
13.5gr 2400
R&P
CCI500

All shoot VERY well in my GP100 (6"). The AA#9 seems the most accurate from my Marlin 1894c, so far. More tests pending.

Sal1911A1
May 27, 2011, 06:55 PM
230 Grain Softball with 5.2 of Win. 231 and seated at 1.260.

Sweet;)

0to60
May 27, 2011, 10:55 PM
.357 Action
158 LSWC 18BH
14.5 grains 2400
Federal 200
I'm not convinced my caliper is accurate, so I can't give an OAL. But, I seat to the cannelure and give it a firm crimp (not a roll crimp; I have a Dillon Square Deal B and it has its own properietary crimp die).

Out of a 2.25" Ruger SP101 its a bit much. Not very fun to shoot. But out of a 4" SW 686, its a nice, powerful round. Not very much flame, just a lot of boom.

camar
May 28, 2011, 02:27 PM
I just bought some .41 in 225 gr. from Missouri Bullet. Now I can't find any load data for it.
Could somebody help me?
Thanks

ljnowell
May 28, 2011, 04:18 PM
357 Action
158 LSWC 18BH
14.5 grains 2400
Federal 200
I'm not convinced my caliper is accurate, so I can't give an OAL. But, I seat to the cannelure and give it a firm crimp (not a roll crimp; I have a Dillon Square Deal B and it has its own properietary crimp die).

Out of a 2.25" Ruger SP101 its a bit much. Not very fun to shoot. But out of a 4" SW 686, its a nice, powerful round. Not very much flame, just a lot of boom.

Thats my pet load with that bullet also. I shoot it out of a 4" 686 and find it to be very accurate and have plenty of boom for me.

Crashbox
June 17, 2012, 12:40 AM
Even though this thread is quite dated, it still appears relevant so I'll post mine.

.357 Zinger 140-grain TCFP 18 BHN
7.5 grains Herco or 8.0 grains WSF (I like either one)
Federal 200
OAL 1.580

The WSF seems a bit louder vs. Herco even with identical loadings, but definitely cleaner burning. The Herco does not meter very well for me, and it leaves my SP101 looking like it sat on top of an industrial smokestack for an extended period of time. Otherwise I think it's an excellent powder for this bullet as is WSF, YMMV.

GLOOB
June 20, 2012, 07:20 PM
My actual question has to do with the top groove in the bullet. As long as
the case mouth is above or below that groove for taper crimping, I'm good
right? Or do I even need to concern myself with that groove? (Obviously I will need to check for feeding at various col)
It just looks like all the normal swc 45acp bullets do not have that groove.
For most people, taper crimping a semiauto rd is nothing more than removing the excess flare. It doesn't need to provide any extra grip. So why not just put the mouth right over the groove? That's how I do it. The groove lets me seat and crimp in one step with no lead shavings. Yeah, you can get a little peek of the groove above the case rim on most of the rounds, but my guns haven't complained.

Oh, as to the OP: IDPA #4 200 gr FN over 5.4gr Unique. And 158 gr 357 Action over 16.5gr H110, obviously in .357 mag and should be worked up for your particular gun and components! This load might cause serious leading in some guns.

bigfinger76
June 20, 2012, 07:45 PM
180 grain .40 TC
6.0 grains Unique
Beretta PX4
Becoming my standard load.

Steve H
June 20, 2012, 08:00 PM
Thanks for bring this thread up.. I just received 500 230gr softball & 500 200gr swc and needed some ideas.

Hondo 60
June 21, 2012, 07:40 PM
My 2 favorites with the same bullet...

Cowboy #4 (200 gr RNFP) 12 BHN

11.0 gr of AA#5 for Colt 45
or
8.0 gr of AA#5 for 45 ACP

Was out with my nephew last weekend & after 100 rds there was zero leading in my 1911.

SDGlock23
December 6, 2012, 04:53 PM
Resurrect this thread.

.45 ACP:

225gr Flat Head and 230gr SoftBall
6.0gr Unique @ 1.240" is good for around 850+ fps
Same bullet, but 4.2gr WST does around 800 fps is is very consistent

200gr SWC IDP1
6gr Unique @ 1.250 is good for about 980 fps
5.0gr WST @ 1.250 is good for around 920 fps

250gr PinBusters work well in the .45 Colt with 9-10gr Unique and they work well in the .45 Super using Power Pistol, getting over 1150 fps from my 5" KKM bbl Glock 21 Gen4.

.40 cal:

3.5gr WST under a 200gr "Steeler" @ 1.140" is a sweet shooter!
4.0gr WST under a 170gr SWC IDP2 @ 1.130" is also very nice
3.5gr TiteGroup under the same 170gr SWC IDP2 is also nice, light recoil and the accuracy is superb! These are plinking loads or something you'd use at a shooting match.

Looking to try the 180gr RNFP 38-40 bullet loaded warm in the 6" barrel, with lesser bullets I've got almost 1350 fps, would by my "woods/game" .40 load using 800x.

.357 Mag:
158gr SWC "Action" bullet with 14.8gr of Alliant 2400 (1.600") does over 1530 fps average from a 6" Ruger GP100. Very good load.

brett1
December 6, 2012, 08:59 PM
any load 357 magnum 180 grain missouri bullet with longshot powder
57

oneyeopn
February 1, 2013, 12:08 PM
I load the .452 Softball with Longshot powder. I use it as a brush gun hunting load and find that it works very well.

.452 Softball
CCI LPP
7.0 gr Longshot
973fps out of my 16" Hi Point Carbine barrel with great accuracy (I know its a Hi Point but it is fun to shoot and +P rated) No leading and no smoke. Gonna try the 200gr RNFP for my next loads.:what:

SlowFuse
February 1, 2013, 03:51 PM
I have two that have proven to be nice accurate loads.

Both use MBCs 100 grain LFN "cowboy #6" 32s.

On 32 long I use 3 gr HP38 and on 327 FM I use 6 gr HP38. Easy on powder and easy on my hands. WARNING these figures are over max and have been worked up to in my firearms.

ewarshaw
October 18, 2013, 12:58 AM
I load up the 180 gr 357 Striker bullets over 12.3 gr of 2400. It shoots amazingly well out of a Rossi R92 carbine and a Ruger GP100 6".

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