SIG's New Wonder Pistol


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sniper350
August 3, 2009, 02:54 PM
SIG P-250 in 45 acp. The new Wonder pistol


Just bought a new Sig P-250 in 45 acp and thought I would share some of my Range experiences.

I know just another polymer pistol is nothing new……. But this new SIG is something special. Just holding this “compact” ( 9 round version ) 45 acp makes you wonder if the tiny frame can handle the torque and what kind of recoil will you have to deal with. I am a long time 1911 fan and own and CCW an Ultra Compact S.A. 3” barrel model. So this was a giant step for me to jump over to a polymer design in 45 acp. I do own a Glock 17 in 9mm , so I am familiar with Polymer pistols in general. I was not sold on the Glock designs in 45 acp because they just seemed too big for CCW work.

The Sig pistol fits perfectly into my small hands ……….and the double stack magazines allows for 9 rounds to be carried in a very small & short grip configuration. Amazingly enough …..they were able to keep the grip fairly narrow.

Of course everyone knows about the P-250’s modularity . It’s is amazingly simple to take the pistol completely apart……right down to the trigger housing. Replacing parts is just stupid simple ! Well it looks good and feel good ……..so off to the range to see how it performs.

At the Range: The pistol needed about 100 rounds to “settle in” and gain Sig’s legendary Accuracy. I wasn’t surprised at the accuracy I was getting from a 3” barrel, but I was surprised at how well the gun handled. Recoil was no more offensive than my all steel 1911. Towards the end of the first shooting session I really turned up the heat …….and did some close quarter combat drills …… really heating the little gun up. The Slide was hot enough that it was hard to put your finger against it and keep it there. The gun never once jammed or faltered .

Second time at the Range I thought I would throw the new “guy” some curve balls ……. And loaded every type of hollow point I could find lying around the house. The pistol didn’t complain one bit and spit every round down range without skipping a beat.
Now I am really impressed with this P-250 ……..brand new from the box it will shoot anything I care to load into its magazines. I used a bunch of Blazer Aluminum hardball ammo as well as some Aquila hardball. The hollow points cover just about every manufacturer you can name…… Remington, PMC, CCI, Federal to name a few.

The TRIGGER: Here is where the tires meet the road ………. The trigger takes some getting use too. Being a true DOA trigger ……. The trigger pull is smooth, but LONG. It is this length of pull that will cause most people to turn away from this design. It will take me several weeks of training to get use to using this DOA trigger pull without “short stroking” it during fast double taps. Because SIG has made this trigger so smooth ……. I think it is worth the investment to learn how to use it.
The pistol has a clean uncomplicated design ……. With an ambi Slide release and far up forward is the Take-Down lever ….and that is it !!! No “split” trigger for safety …….just a super long trigger pull as your safety mechanism. So like a Glock, the pistol is simple to operate ……and even easier to take apart !!

Built to Last : Holding the barrel in your hands and you know you have a substantial piece of steel. The Barrel is twice as thick as most of the compact 1911’s that I own.
Not to be out done, is the Slide which is a very stout piece of CNC machined stainless steel. These two parts alone give the pistol enough mass as to control Recoil to a very mild level !! I was pleasantly surprised when I fired my first shot ……. Wow, the recoil was nothing special and that is a good thing.

Now I own the makings of 3 or 4 guns in my hands ……….. Just order the frame , barrels, and Slides that I want and I can build one of 3 pistols without a single trip to an FFL. This has turned out to be truly a Wonder Pistol …for me.

JF.

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SwampWolf
August 17, 2009, 06:51 PM
Nice write-up, sniper350.

rellascout
August 17, 2009, 07:04 PM
That is why they should have kept the DAK....

Nice long smoooooth DAO pull that could be followed up with a SA stroke...

If you trained with it properly it was nice.

Dr_2_B
August 17, 2009, 09:56 PM
thanks for the info

1SOW
August 17, 2009, 10:44 PM
+1 rellascout

Thanks sniper350

jwalker497
August 17, 2009, 11:21 PM
Too expensive, conversions are in the $400 range - mine as well buy a new gun. Also, the time to switch the pieces out is not as fast as changing a barrel, lastly, to carry those conversion pieces is cumbersome and the same size as a whole another pistol.

Good idea, but the priced themselves out of capitlizing on it. If the conversions wer $200, then they would be ideal.

earlthegoat2
August 18, 2009, 12:52 AM
I do think the 250 is a great pistol

but

the modularity thing was a better theory than actually practical. The conversions do cost too much. If we lived in another country with crazier gun control it could be a better idea that way if you could only have one gun then you could still have multiple calibers. It could also play out well in the law enforcement arena. Getting the components could prove tricky but as long as places like Midway sell them it shouldnt be a problem to get them. If I was a Sig dealer though I would avoid the loose components like the plague you could tie up a lot of money in it and never have any payback. Plus it is just like supplying accessories for anything. You can never have everything the people want and when someone comes in they might want something that is close to what you have but not quite such as the 9mm compact slide. You have the compact slide in 40, the and the fullsize barrel in 9mm. Close but not quite.

wditto
August 18, 2009, 01:03 AM
I was made to understand all the calibers were interchangeable EXCEPT the .45 size, right?

CPshooter
August 18, 2009, 01:48 AM
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. In my opinion, however, the P250 is a really crappy, "gimmicky" design, to put it bluntly. I like all sorts of handguns. I love 1911s, Glocks, Sigs (the traditional models), and absolutely love my H&Ks...BUT I just can't see anything about the new Sig P250 that would make me even want to shoot it once. The conversions cost too much and the trigger is horrible in comparision to the standard Sig DA/SA design. I can go on and on about why I personally don't like it, but in the end I have a feeling it won't be very successful. I'm glad you like yours and appreciate the write-up (I haven't seen many reviews on this gun), but I can honestly say I won't be spending my money on one any time soon.

Jim Watson
August 18, 2009, 08:48 AM
I have handled but not shot the P250. It feels comfortable in my hand and I have shot enough DA revolvers that the long but smooth trigger pull would not be hard to get used to.

I think the modularity is of more use to the company than to the shooter. I am not going to flip-flop around pieces and parts to the configuration du jour. Heck, if I leave the .22 conversion on my CZ, I will be sure to want to shoot 9mm the next time out. If I put the centerfire upper back on, I will want the .22. Part of Murphy's Law. But the factory can crank out modules in quantity and assemble guns to order.

I am sorry they expected enough market for .45 ACP to make the gun broad enough to handle it. If limited to 9mm and .40 they could have turned out a flatter gun, which nobody but Kahr seems to care about any more.

earlthegoat2
August 18, 2009, 08:49 AM
As a standalone pistol it is a good, reliable design if a bit overpriced compared to others in its class. However you are not just buying the pistol. You are also buying the modularity though I agree it is a bit gimmicky.

atblis
August 19, 2009, 09:12 AM
I've shot the 250. I do like it, but that pistol is designed to be cheap to manufacture. You can tell by looking at it. Plastic and stamped sheet metal. Don't get me wrong, that's simply good engineering. Me thinks SIG has it priced a couple hundred buck too high. The 9mm/40 service pistol market is getting crowded with good quality pistols. People are getting tighter with their money. Maybe we will see some deals here eventually.

fastbolt
August 19, 2009, 07:28 PM
Congrats on the new gun. Thanks for sharing your experiences thus far.

I've handled, but not fired, a P250.

I was talking about it with another Sig armorer and he seemed less than impressed with it. I'll reserve judgment until I have the opportunity to spend some trigger time with one, if ever.

I do think the P250 is going to be Sig Sauer's next big push into the LE market. It'll save them some money compared to machining the metal frames (even with CNC production). It'll also help address the disparate impact issues facing agencies who have to provide service weapons to folks with a variety of hand sizes.

The 250 wasn't included in my armorer class, so I can't speak to the mechanism from a maintenance, support & repair perspective.

I've heard Sig may have an interest in getting the 250 adopted by a 'major CA agency', which would no doubt stimulate some interest in the new design.

Personally, while I like a good revolver and I've adapted to some of the newer DA/DAO trigger variants to be found among the LE pistol offerings in recent years, I don't have much interest in a long DAO trigger stroke in a gun unless it has a revolving cylinder to go along with it. ;)

AK103K
August 19, 2009, 09:12 PM
I have a P250 compact in 9mm, and I'm waiting on the 357SIG tops to come out right now. Mines been a good shooter so far, and like the other SIG's I have, its been 100% right out of the box. Its accurate and easy to shoot well with, and has the most comfortable grip of any SIG I have. My only real complaint is the night sights. The front sight is like all the other SIG night sights, with a nice white ring around the vial, but the rear vials lack the rings, which make them a tad slower to pick up in daylight. In low light, they are as bright as the others.

If your used to the standard DA trigger pull, then the P250's will be familiar, but lighter. I have a P245 that came DAO (pre DAK), and the trigger is very similar, and again, just lighter. I havent had any troubles shooting with it, nor has anyone I've let shoot it. If your not a DA auto or revolver shooter, it will probably take a little getting used to, but its quickly learned. Like most other DA triggers, its best to "stroke" the trigger rather than "stage" it.

I agree about the modularity thing. Like most things that change out, you usually settle for what you like best, and the rest rarely, if ever, get used. I've got spare .40 barrels for my P226's and P229's, and for the most part, they rarely get used. For the difference in price between the P250 and its caliber change kits, I'll just get another complete gun. Price wise, the kits are closer to $300 than $400. Still havent heard if the .40/357SIG swaps will still just be a barrel swap though. That would pretty much half the cost between those two.

I dont know what others are paying for the P250's, but mine was about the same as the Glock 17 with night sights I just bought ($574 vs $573). The spare Glock mags are cheaper though. They both shoot about the same, but the Glock still takes a tad longer to index for me, as the grip isnt just quite right pointability wise.

The_Shootist
August 19, 2009, 10:00 PM
Saw one at Academy but was too busy to handle it. Don't own any SIG's so it might be a useful excuse to check it out again this weekend. Its funny because I saw "SIG P250" and didn't recognize the type. A cursory glance did indicate it was good looking pistol.

But what is stopping me from buying one (or maybe a G30) is availability of 45 ammo, which ummm...isn't too available.

phantomak47
August 19, 2009, 10:03 PM
Instead of Sig making new pistols they need to go back and re-establish their classic line of pistols. My new Sig 226 is not even a shadow of what my older 226 is, its the classic story of cutting costs . Sig please make the quality weapons that you used to make instead of new pistols that no one really wants.

Calhoun321
August 19, 2009, 11:04 PM
I want to correct ya'll on something. The P250 does not have a LONG trigger pull!!!! It has a SHORT, but true DAO trigger pull. The trigger pull is not as long as a DA revolver, DA/SA classic sig or DAK. The last time I looked at one I started the trigger pull just to test the smoothness and low and behold I dry fired it unexpectedly - - it was that light and that short (for a full DAO).

I don't have a P250 YET, but I can tell you it feels better in the hand than any other brand/model I have ever tried.

fastbolt
August 19, 2009, 11:32 PM
Then it won't surprise anyone when you buy one and report liking it. ;)

While I didn't try it alongside a TDA or DAK, it felt a bit similar to the initial trigger stroke of a DAK gun to me (which is lighter, but longer, than subsequent trigger strokes).

Not being interested in DAK or LEM variant triggers, or even QA or DAO Walther triggers, I find little to interest me in the P250, but that's just from a personal perspective. I certainly have nothing against anyone else finding something they like in any of those designs.

I also understand that how any particular trigger design may 'feel' while manipulating and dry-firing an EMPTY example at a gun counter may have little to do with how it 'feels' during live fire.

I don't even care for the original DAO trigger in S&W pistols, although they did have a smooth and relatively short trigger stroke. Naturally, later DAO parts used to convert TDA guns resulted in a longer trigger stroke due to the change in where the hammer was located by the sear nose when the gun was charged.

If Sig Sauer turns out to have a winner on its hands with the 250, so much the better.

It's just that I have enough other guns that I find interesting and useful.

It's good to see folks find ones which work well for them, though, don't you think?

rellascout
August 19, 2009, 11:50 PM
I have owned one and have owned a DAK. The P250 is slow...... in its reset and it make the trigger very long>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The DAK had a second trigger stroke which once you trained properly with resembled the SA of a true Sig.

The DOA is light in its pull it is long in its stroke IMHO. Having owned both I am speaking from actual time with both platforms one of the few in this thread that has shot both platforms at length.

There is nothing wrong with the P250 if yours feeds properly. Not everyone's does. Also there were some missteps with the original 9mm mags. In the end it was not better than my Glock 19 so I sold it. Also if you paid close to $500 for a Glock you paid too much. LOL

AK103K
August 20, 2009, 05:53 AM
Where, pray tell, can you get a Glock with night sights for less than $500? Thats about the average price of one with standard sights these days.

What are/were the feeding issues you speak of? As with all SIG's, you do need to watch where you put your thumb if you shoot thumbs forward. The P250 is more sensitive in this respect too, as it can lock back on a loaded mag, as well as drop the slide on an empty one. With the other P series guns, its usually the latter. Its a non issue with any of them if your keep that thumb away from the stop though.

rellascout
August 20, 2009, 09:17 AM
The original release of the P250 in 9mm had light primer strikes, FTF and of course the mag issue.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/6131079351/showpollresults/Y

These were reported by experienced Sig shooters. This is not a ID10T issue.

If you shop smart or know your dealer well they will let you in on some of the nice deals Glock puts out from time to time. They often blow out their LEO/Military configured pistols which come with 3 mags and night sights for under the dealer cost of the standard package. The production cost is so low on the Glock that they can sell them at whatever they want and make a profit.

I have purchased Glock 19s in the $450 range NIB.

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