Looking for Hi Cap .45 for CCW


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dbshabo
August 3, 2009, 08:36 PM
I'm in the market for a .45 CCW pistol. I carry an M&P 9mm compact now and I really like the gun, no complaints. I just want the larger caliber if I can find what I'm looking for. I'd buy the M&P 45 compact in a heartbeat if it carried more rounds in the mag. It has an 8 round capacity. I know that is lot of firepower but I'd prefer more if possible.

I was looking at a Para Ordnance Tac-Four this past weekend. It has a 13 round mag capacity. It has the LDA trigger system that felt ok, different but ok. The frame was the same or damn near the dimensions of a traditional 1911. The grip was of course larger to accept the double stack mag but it wasn't near as large as I would have guessed if I hadn't handled it. I think it would make a good IWB carry piece. I did some research and have found mixed reviews on Para's in general so I don't know what to think about them.

My question for y'all is are there other manufacturers that make a compact .45 that accepts hi cap double stack mags? I know the XD and Glock compacts have hi cap capabilities. I like the thin profile of the Para over the bulk of most of the popular polymer pistols. The M&P I carry now isn't slim by any means and I carry that ok. Just looking at all the choices I have before I make a decision. Thanks in advance for any help offered.

Shabo

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Isher
August 3, 2009, 09:22 PM
Czech out the CZ97B. Comes with either a conventional safety or a decocker.

10 round magazines, plus one in the pipe.

Ergonomics, reliability, accuracy all top notch.

isher

dbshabo
August 3, 2009, 09:26 PM
Looking for a compact model, the CZ is a full size pistol isn't it?

Shabo

Isher
August 3, 2009, 09:36 PM
dbshabo -

It is, but I have found it surprisingly easy to carry OWB.

Didn't intend it that way - bought it for a house gun -

But tried it out, and, well, dang!!!

That being said, my line of work allows me to live in jeans,

And I wear an 1 3/8" wide Filson belt made of two heavy duty layers

Of bridle leather stitched together.

In my experience, it is the belt, and not the holster,

That makes all the difference in the world for carrying either IWB or OWB.

isher

EOD Guy in VA
August 3, 2009, 09:46 PM
I'm not sure Hi Cap .45 and CCW go together...:)
That's a lot to lug around and conceal with questionable benefit over say, .357SIG

71Commander
August 4, 2009, 09:03 AM
I've owned four Para's. They work just fine. This is my Springer version of the Para P12. 12+1.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tucker13/sa-1.jpg

Dave T
August 4, 2009, 12:17 PM
Glock 30s are very popular. Even some who claim to hate Glocks seem to find them acceptable. Worth considering.

Dave

ArmedBear
August 4, 2009, 12:26 PM
I've concealed an XD45 Service 4" full size (13 round mags) and two extra magazines. I just carried them on a belt, and tied a jacket around my waist to conceal them.:)

71Commander
August 4, 2009, 12:55 PM
Even some who claim to hate Glocks seem to find them acceptable

Not me. If it were between owning a Glock and becoming a anti., I would become an anti.:mad:

LancerMW
August 4, 2009, 01:03 PM
so your only for self defense if its with a gun you like? going to perpose an ammendment to ban glocks?

GreenTN
August 4, 2009, 01:09 PM
FNP 45 holds 14+1...
Glock 30 (compact) with a Glock 21 magazine holds 13+1 and weighs less than the FNP...

Snowdog
August 4, 2009, 01:15 PM
Damn it, 71Commander... you're going to put me in the poorhouse posting pictures like that. My "To Get" list just grew.
My wife already hates you. :D

ccsniper
August 4, 2009, 01:22 PM
don't own one yet, but the taurus 24/7 are nice and small and I think 12 +1 mag capacity. I am about to get the OSS version in .40. but I have no personal experience with one yet, but I have heard good things.

71Commander
August 4, 2009, 01:39 PM
so your only for self defense if its with a gun you like? going to perpose an ammendment to ban glocks?

Not the worst idea that's been brought up.

There's plenty of guns made that I don't want that people have. No problem. I hate Glocks with a passion.

DeepSouth
August 4, 2009, 01:42 PM
The Para Warthog might be what you are looking for.

Baneblade
August 4, 2009, 04:36 PM
Another for the Glock 30. I think you will be hard pressed to find a better combination of size, capacity, weight, and reliability. You can carry it 10+1 and a Glock 21 mag for the reload.

LancerMW
August 4, 2009, 07:52 PM
+1 on the Para warthog

Big Daddy Grim
August 4, 2009, 08:08 PM
+1 Warthog

Publius1688
August 4, 2009, 10:12 PM
I carry a M&P compact 9mm, and some time ago decided to grab a .45. After looking at 1911's, Glocks, H&Ks, etc, I fell back to the M&P .45 Full Size.
At least give it a try. It's much bigger than our 9mm Compacts, sure, but I'm really surprised at how easy it is to carry in the small of my back. The 9mm is still my daily carry (the .45 is really my bedroom peace-of-mind pistol), but I could carry the .45 with no trouble.

Mags
August 4, 2009, 10:34 PM
I think what you are looking for is an oxymoron you want a "hi-cap compact" reliable 45 ACP. Good luck, when you find one I want to see pics.

Sapper771
August 4, 2009, 11:23 PM
+1 Glock 30 , but recommend the SF model

Dr_2_B
August 4, 2009, 11:56 PM
+1 g30

Mags
August 4, 2009, 11:58 PM
How is the G30 "hi-cap"? With a standard mag cap of 10 what is hi-cap about it? For 45 I consider 12 to be standard.

TSK1975
August 5, 2009, 12:11 AM
I have a Taurus 24/7 .45ACP with 12+1 capacity. I have been extremely happy with it. I have a model 92 also. I haven't had a lick of problems with either one. The reason I went with it was fit. I tried Glock (to big for my hand), Springfield XD (extremely close to fitting my hand) and Taurus (right on the money). I have shorter fingers and didn't have to struggle to reach all the controls. It has good fixed sights. I shot 95% on a 50 round CCW course with it. A friend has a S&W M&P .45 and he loves it. I haven't shot it but it feels pretty good in the hand. It's only 10+1 rounds, but still some serious firepower. The drawback to the hi-cap CCW in .45 is the weight.

Mags
August 5, 2009, 12:24 AM
How is the Taurus 24/7 compact?

deadhawg
August 5, 2009, 12:29 AM
71Commander - I hate Glocks with a passion.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, no matter how irrational it may be.

I'd go with the G30. 10+1 .45ACP, conceals surprisingly well, and mine has had zero failures of any kind with close to 10,000 rounds through it. No problems with any ammo I have fed it, HP's, RN's, SWC's, handloads or factory. Plenty accutate enough at any reasonable self defense range. Not a "pretty" gun, but I value function over form in a defensive handgun.

"You show your 1911's to your friends, you show your Glocks to your enemies"

Mags
August 7, 2009, 02:20 PM
I'd go with the G30. 10+1 .45ACP
How is 10+1 considered "Hi-Cap"?

71Commander
August 7, 2009, 02:33 PM
How is 10+1 considered "Hi-Cap"?

In a glock owners fantasy, it is.;)

harmon rabb
August 7, 2009, 03:11 PM
+1 for glock 30. light, durable, reliable.

i'd trust my life to a glock any day over a taurus :o yeah, you may not like how they look, but i see few people disputing the durability and reliability of a glock.

John Parker
August 7, 2009, 06:23 PM
Springfield XD 45 compact.

Mags
August 7, 2009, 06:45 PM
Springfield XD 45 compact.
Art those 13 + 1 ? I consider 13 pretty good for a compact.

mesinge2
August 7, 2009, 07:17 PM
+1 on the Para warthog

Logan80
August 7, 2009, 11:18 PM
I absolutely LOVE my Taurus PT145 Millennium Pro 45.

10+1 and a spare magazine is PLENTY for me.

IMO it can't be beat for $349.

http://podcast-media.s3.amazonaws.com/gunreview/uploads/Shot2.jpg

tactikel
August 7, 2009, 11:47 PM
http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?version=111

The compact is 10+1 or 13+1 with the extended mag.
If you can live with a 9mm or 40 S&W the subcompact is even smaller.

jojo200517
August 8, 2009, 12:16 AM
The Taurus 24/7 is a wee bit big for CCW in my opinion. The reason I went with the Taurus millenium pro pt145. 10+1 .45 acp. Compared to a friends 9mm version but when layed on top of each other they were the exact same length. The .45 is a tad thicker but not much. Aside from a defective magazine that came with the pistol I have had no problems.


EDIT: sorry logan i missed your post.

Mags
August 8, 2009, 12:22 AM
I still stand by my opinion of "hi-cap 45 ACP compact" is an oxymoron. 10 round mags are not considered hi-cap, I figure 12-13 is standard for 45 among normal sized 45s.

The Wiry Irishman
August 8, 2009, 12:52 AM
http://stiguns.com/guns/vip/images/VIP_08_Aluminum_Main.jpg

I also hear their other 2011s conceal pretty well if you remove the mag well.

http://stiguns.com/guns/Tactical4/images/Tactical4Web_800w.jpg

http://stiguns.com/guns/Tactical/images/Tactical5web_800w.jpg

http://stiguns.com/guns/Eagle5/images/EagleWeb05_800w.jpg

Logan80
August 8, 2009, 05:08 AM
I'd certainly consider 10 rounds a hi-cap for a compact 45.

My Colt Officer's Model holds 6+1, so 10+1 in a lighter, similar sized package, is hi-cap IMO.

DHart
September 4, 2009, 02:41 PM
How is the Charles Daly M-5? Is it good? Is it available?

ROBBY.1911
September 4, 2009, 05:18 PM
i would take a long hard look at the Kimber/BUL .45 with polymer frame. i own the BUL--they are the same--and it does exactly what you want it to do. my 2 cents.--robby:D:D:D

cpermd
September 6, 2009, 12:55 PM
Para Ordnance P13

CP

DHart
September 6, 2009, 02:29 PM
If I'm going to have a full size .45, then I would expect 12+1 or more to be considered hi-cap. I would never buy the full size M&P45 if all I can get is 10+1 capacity.

BUT, for a compact, CCW .45, 10+1 is definitely "hi-cap" and the G30 is a supreme example of an extremely reliable, accurate, "hi-cap" compact. They carry easily and do what is needed very reliably.

My G21SF has good reliability, accuracy, and capacity. But it just feels terrible in my hand and I do not like the feel of the trigger. Too bad, because it's such a great gun otherwise.

The XD45 looks like a good full size option, if you can carry it comfortably. I think it would feel MUCH better in the hand than my G21SF.

The Daly M-5 Commander size could be a great option. Looking forward to more info, availability, and feedback on these.

The STI Tactical 4.15 would be superb. I would take it in .40 probably for the extra two rounds of capacity. It is 4x the price of a G23, however... which with a G22 mag gives 15+1. The G23 is not an "enjoyable" gun to shoot however, where the STI is a wonderful cream-puff to shoot in .40 or .45.

dbshabo
September 6, 2009, 04:14 PM
I consider a .45 compact with a 10 round capacity to be hi-cap. I looked at the G30 and the XD compact. I thought the triggers on both guns were less than desirable. My M&P 9c has a much better trigger than either of these two guns in my opinion. The long pull length is part of the safety system I know, but man they are really long.

I got all excited when I saw the pic of the compact Springer posted by 71 Commander on the first page. He said it's a 12+1 gun. If it exists in that configuration I couldn't find it on the Springfield website. Too bad because that would be perfect. I keep coming back to the Para but after all the bad reviews I have read about them I just can't bring myself to try one.

The Daly M-5 looks interesting. I haven't been able to find one for sale. What's the going price for one?

Shabo

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