[NCWanderer]

Been reading a lot here on THR about different topics concerning BP guns. I don't post too often, because I learned a long time ago to keep my mouth shut and listen first and then ask my questions......be they stupid ones or wise ones. Hope this one is wise.:)
One word comes up now and then that puzzels me.:confused: "Seasoning"..........I'm not sure I fully understand it's importance concerning BP guns. I've read that some cleaning solutions remove it. Can you remove it and put it back at will? Is it desireable on BP guns in the first place? If so why would I want to remove it every time I clean my gun?:banghead: I know that folks used to season their frying pans and didn't want it removed. Not much experience there......all of mine are teflon.:)

Also I'm now dealing with a problem I've encountered with my gun. I'm trying to use what I've learned here to correct it, but if I'm unsuccessful you can bet I'll be back asking all you wise ol' experts some stupid...,,.or maybe wise questions.

[mykeal]

'Seasoning' is a myth with regard to black powder guns. Thompson Center used to include instructions in their manuals to use their Bore Butter product to 'season' their rifle barrels; that was stopped several years ago. I don't know if that's what started the legend or not, but it certainly didn't help. Many people like to refer to seasoning of cast iron cookware as justification, or perhaps proof is a better word, that seasoning of modern steel rifle barrels works. Well, rifle barrels are not cast iron.

[jbkebert]

The reason for seasoning a BP gun is really the same as seasoning a cast iron skillet. A gun barrel much like a skillet is full of pores. Cast iron rust very easily and BP in your gun barrel is very corrosive. The whole idea behind seasoning your gun is to provide a proctective coating of grease build up to prevent rust. It also aids in cleaning and over time will enhance accuracy. When I clean my BP rifles I use very very mild soap and water only. I have heard of people using simple green and other degreaser on their guns. I would be heap big mad if someone did this to my rifle. Yes if you remove your seasoning it can be replaced over time. I store my BP guns with a light coating of boe butter to protect the barrel. When Ready to take it out and shoot I run a dry patch down the barrel to remove the slightest bit of protection that I can. The while shooting I run a spit patch or a wet patch with mild detergent the a dry patch. The load again and shoot again. Do this between each shot and you will get consistant accuracy. Otherwise fouling will build up and bullets will not seat the same from shot to shot.

[jbkebert]

Well I stepped into the myth and yes I do beleive in it.

[mykeal]

The steel used in gun metal is nothing, repeat, nothing like cast iron. Other than both containing elemental iron, there's simply no comparison.

[jbkebert]

The steel used in gun metal is nothing, repeat, nothing like cast iron. Other than both containing elemental iron, there's simply no comparison

Very true! A bad comparison yes, but I do notice that my rifles get better with age. Lord knows my skills haven't advanced :D. I really do think the a rifle is easier to clean after many applications of bore butter.

[arcticap]

"Seasoning" implies that it's not only possible, but that it's desirable to have some kind of coating in the bore that one needs to be careful not to remove when performing a cleaning regimen after every shooting session or the protection is lost.
I don't subscribe to that philosophy because as many of the contaminants that are present on the metal surfaces need to be removed as possible after every shooting session.
That's the best way to insure that most of the harmful, gritty deposits are effectively removed.
Then after the metal is clean & bare, the new pure lubricant or "seasoning" can be reapplied.
Traditional lubricants are only temporary in nature.

[fyrfyter43]

I do notice that my rifles get better with age.

That's simply because the bore wears in over the first several hundred shots. I clean my rifles as aggressively as I can. I can assure you that there is none of that mythical "seasoning" in my rifle. But their accuracy still improves with several hundred balls downrange.

The fact is, seasoning on a cast iron skillet is a BAKED-ON coating of grease that fills in the large pores present in cast iron. A rifle barrel doesn't have these large pores, and I sure hope you don't treat your barrel like I season my skillets and dutch ovens. That is, coating them with grease and putting them in a 400* oven for at least an hour.

[Hawkeye748]

"Seaaoning" was done years ago to protect bores when there were not "Modern" methods of preventing rust. Some folks still subscribe to this method, mainly those in the "Mountain Man" Rendevous type of shooting/living history. It is a method that works to some degree, but cannot hold a candle to the modern methods of rust prevention. Clean to the metal and then oil with a good gun oil. Wipe your bore fefore you shoot and then fire a couple of caps on an empty bore and all residual oil will burn off. Best way I know to prevent rust.

BTW, WD 40 is not a gun oil. Good for short term only. It will evaporate and leave metal unprotected and rust will occur.

[Ratdog68]

WD-40 stands for "Water Dispurser, recipe #40". Agreed, it's not the best for lubing, was designed to dispurse water. If I remember correctly, I don't think it's a petro-based product either.

[Das Jaeger]

is for Steaks and Chops , not for guns . :D

If you want Match Grade accuracy , which in my mind must be there for Hunting too , then Cleaning thoroughly , then re-lube to prevent rust is mandatory . Stainless steel is no different , just because it says stainless doesn't mean it won't rust eventually . Stainless also needs the same cleanliness to afford pure accruacy , period . :D
The cleaner the better too .

Das Jeager :neener:

[Dave Markowitz]

WD-40 stands for "Water Dispurser, recipe #40". Agreed, it's not the best for lubing, was designed to dispurse water. If I remember correctly, I don't think it's a petro-based product either.

It is correct that WD-40 is a product designed to displace water, but it is a petroleum product. Here is the MSDS (PDF file) (http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf). I am pointing this out because there's a persistent Internet myth that it's based on fish oil. It performed well as a rust-preventative in this test (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=10700/guntechdetail/Gun_Cleaning_Clinic__Knowing_the_Limits_of_Rust_Preventatives) reported by Brownells.

I agree that WD-40 is rather thin and not suited to lubrication or long-term storage, but there's a lot of BS spread about it on the Interwebs, especially as regards to its use on firearms.

Back on topic: I agree with mykeal that you cannot season a gun made of modern steel. Also, I've found that if you use Bore Butter for long term storage it will turn into a nasty brown sludge. Since my guns are kept in an air conditioned environment none of the guns so coated suffered any damage. However, other products are much better suited to the task of inhibiting rust.

I've come to favor Ballistol as a lubricant and anti-corrosion agent on my BP guns. There are other products available which will work fine, but I've settled for now on Ballistol. Now, if it only didn't smell like sweaty feet. :barf:

[Ratdog68]

Otay... thanks for that. I'll gladly stand corrected on it being a petro product. It's better to be part right than all wrong I guess. :D

[Das Jaeger]

its actually better to blame it on someone else and never admit your wrong to start with :D Oh wait , thats FL's game right , hee hee hee :neener:

Petro Smetro , WD-40 isn't for guns anyway . Your better off with Grandmas Singer Sewing Machine Oil for the gutts and Crisco for lube with a hint of Olive oil .
Worse case scenario , you got the fine makins of Salad and oil to sharpen your knife to cut your Cucumbers. :D

Jaeger :D

[jbkebert]

Now I do clean my guns with soap and water to remove any fouling and or residue. I then coat with bore butter am I doing something that will hurt my rifle over time?

[mykeal]

There's no evidence that using Bore Butter after a thorough cleaning will do any damage. The 'brown sludge' is simply Bore Butter that's dried out a bit and collected some dust. It's dirty, but not rusty.

That being said there is a caution about Bore Butter that's worth noting. Chemically it's not a rust preventative like oil. It prevents rust by providing a shield that is not water soluble. If you don't get the surface completely dried off the water will remain trapped and will react with any oxygen present to form rust under the Bore Butter. If you're going to use Bore Butter for long term storage be sure the metal surface is completely dry before applying the Bore Butter.

[NCWanderer]

Thanks guys.
Now I know enough about seasoning that I don't think I'm going to worry about it.
I clean my gun with soap and water, then dry all the parts (except the grips:)) in the oven. Then reassemble and protect it with break free.

[KenWP]

years ago a lot of guys used to make a adapter for the primer cap nib so that they screwed it out and use this to pump really hot tap water thru the barrel so that it got hot and dried quicker. Does anybody do that now a days.

[Smokin_Gun]

Please DELETE Admin...

[Smokin_Gun]

years ago a lot of guys used to make a adapter for the primer cap nib so that they screwed it out and use this to pump really hot tap water thru the barrel so that it got hot and dried quicker. Does anybody do that now a days.

I still do that at home and sometimes in the field (carry a tygon tube about 3' long x 1/8" fits over the nipple goes into scaldin' hot water)... been doin' it that way for 28 years ... If I'm huntin' and campin' out I'll jus' swab an dry the barrel with pillow tickin' and reload.
A good mention there Ken...[/QUOTE]

[SHIPCHIEF]

I take out the nipple, and stand the barrel in a tub of hot water with dish soap, then pump water thru the barrel with a tight cleaning patch on the ramrod. Just pump that rod up and down and soon the water and crud come flowing out the muzzle. Work that patch up and down until all the bore is clean, with the soapy water pouring out the muzzle and running down the outside of the barrel. Did I mention I stand the tub in the bathtub? If a pistol, then the Kitchen sink. Small parts get boiled in a pan on the stove after a soapy scrubbing.
Meanwhile I have the kettle on. When I get done scrubbing the barrel, I hold the muzzle with a long rag twisted around the front sight, and pour boiling water from the kettle down the barrel so it pours out the nipple hole and overflows the muzzle. I let it dripout for a few seconds, then carry it into the gun room and lean it against the bench. It's so hot it will be dry in a few seconds. when it cools down enough to touch, I dry patch it to make double sure it's dry, then I patch it with Hoppes #9. I've never had a rusty barrel in over 30 years, and I live in the 'Great Northwet'.:rolleyes:
Now I did just recently get a Renegade with a GM 33" barrel, plus the original 26" barrel. They patch 'brown' ??? which bothers me. I hope it's not rust, just crud that's breaking out....like old bore butter or something? The previous owner was supposedly an old timer that gave up hunting.
That riflegun shore shoots good tho-.

[Pulp]

"How I Clean Blackpowder Rifles" by Pulp
subtitled "Why Do You Think God Invented Toilets?"

Yup, pull the nipple, stick the breech end in the commode, put a little soap in the barrel, then mop the dickens out of it. Flush. Now you have clean water for the rinse.

BTW, I have a tea kettle of water heating on the stove while I'm mopping and flushing to pour down the barrel. Once the barrel is thoroughly heated, then I wipe it down inside and out with Bore Butter.

[TomADC]

Otay... thanks for that. I'll gladly stand corrected on it being a petro product. It's better to be part right than all wrong I guess.

Ratdog are you from my nieghborhood just temp displaced?
Oh it's Otay Mesa:D

Do read all these and still in the differnt articles I see they talk about seasoning, but I'd think with the intenense cleaning methods listed it you could season a barrel that would take it off?

[Cosmoline]

Modern steels do not need "seasoning." I season my cast iron pots. I do NOT season my stainless steel and other modern steel pots. This may have been an issue a very long time ago when guns were made of cast iron (!!) but thankfully those days are long behind us.

The big difference between BP and smokeless firearms comes from the POWDER, not the steel. Black powder is best removed without any petro-based products because of the nasty fowling that can arise if you have a micro-thin layer of a modern cleaner in the bore. I use very hot water and soap, the finish with patches of mineral alcohol and bore butter. These displace water and clean up the crud. I put several dry patches through prior to storing.

[Allison]

I remember back in the 50's I was helping my mother and grandmother with the dishes.
We had a flat (no sides) iron skillet for cooking pancakes which they just scraped, rinsed and set in the dish drainer. It had about 1/8" of burned crud on it so, to surprise them, I slipped it out of the house and went to work on it with a pocketknife and wire brush. When they discovered it back in the dish drainer looking new, they patiently explained to me that they appreciated the effort but, for a few days, the pancakes (we ate a lot of pancakes) would taste like iron. This proved to be true. As far as I know, this is the only reason to season iron cookware aside from the rust factor.
I think that WD-40 will repel water (say you get caught in the rain) but if the water is on bare metal, it will float on water like any oil thereby trapping the water against the metal and not allowing it to evaporate.
I clean my revolver cylinders by first removing the nipples and coating everything with Hoppes #9 using a Q-tip and pipe cleaner inside the nipples. I enjoy cleaning just about as much as shooting them except for the nipples as they're hard to hold on to while scrubbing with a toothbrush. I gave it some thought and ordered from McMaster-Carr a piece of brass 1/8" by 3/4" by 6" and a 6 x .75 metric tap, drilled 6 holes about 1/2" apart in the brass with a #7 drill and tapped the holes. The nipples are screwed into this and are easy to find and scrub thoroughly. After the Hoppes has had about 10 minutes to work, everything goes into a plastic dishpan with Ivory liquid. I use bore mops to clean the chambers and nipple cavities. With the nipples out, the wire end of the bore mop protrudes through the nipple hole. The wire end is softer than the cylinder metal so I don't think I'm damaging the threads any and the mop cleans the chamber clear to the bottom. I don't use wire brushes. Once scrubbed and rinsed I use a hair dryer to dry. It gets the cylinder so hot that you can't hold it. Then white lithium grease on the nipple threads, hand, bolt and cylinder pin. The lithium grease has exceptional anti-seize qualities and also prevents fouling between the cylinder and cylinder pin. Then I reassemble and drown everything in Ballistol and set it on a paper towel to drain. At the range I have a small needle tipped bottle of Ballistol which, after firing 3 or 4 cylinders, I put a few drops each side of the hammer (Euroarms has a tight hammer to slot fit) and the front of the cylinder which eliminates fouling seizure which really plagued me when I first started shooting BP revolvers.

[hogshead]

Anybody use alcohol Ive been using it, it seems to do good and you dont have to worry about moisture. Talked to a old timer today. He gave me his secret recipe said he used 1 part denatured alcohol 1 part hydrogen peroxide 1 part Murphys oil soap Havent tried it yet. I just lube with 3 in 1 after cleaning ,haven't had any problems yet. Used to lube my nipple {on my muzzle loader not me] with vaseline. Seem to work fine.

[arcticap]

Black powder is best removed without any petro-based products because of the nasty fowling that can arise if you have a micro-thin layer of a modern cleaner in the bore.

IMO even though there may be some truth about how to best remove black powder fouling, the blanket statement above seems to be reaching a bit too far.
Maybe residual petroleum based gun oils will cause a problem interacting with black powder when fired, but I really can't think of one modern cleaning solvent that has been said to cause any problem.
Hoppe's Number 9 Plus BP Solvent & Patch Lube, Ballistol and Rusty Duck Black Off contain petroleum distillates which to my knowledge won't cause any fouling problem when used for swabbing between shots or as a patch lube. Quite the opposite actually since they effectively remove BP fouling.
The problem described above is primarily with petroleum based [gun] oils and other lubes like some mink oils that may contain oil as a hidden ingredient. However these are generally not considered to be modern cleaning solvents.

[mykeal]

I have no doubt that a three part mixture of alcohol, hydrogen peroxide and Murphy's will do a fine job of cleaning. So will plain water. And it costs less.

WD-40 does not lay on top of ambient water. It displaces it. You can prove that with a simple test - just put a few drops in a dish, spray on some WD-40 and watch carefully.

I believe the issue with petroleum distillates is how they react to the heat of combustion in the bore. Low distillates like gun oil, motor oil, 3-in-1 oil, etc. do not burn completely when exposed to the heat of combustion of black powder. The result of this incomplete burning is a tar-like substance. Higher distillates like mineral oil (the main ingredient of Hoppe's No. 9 Plus, Break Free, Ballistol, TC No. 13, etc.) burn completely in the black powder combustion environment.

[fyrfyter43]

Anybody use alcohol Ive been using it, it seems to do good and you dont have to worry about moisture. Talked to a old timer today. He gave me his secret recipe said he used 1 part denatured alcohol 1 part hydrogen peroxide 1 part Murphys oil soap

I use alcohol (91% isopropyl - available at your local pharmacy for less than $1) to swab at the range and also for a quick clean-up before heading home. When I get home I clean with good old water and follow it with a couple of patches soaked with the same alcohol to make sure there is no moisture in the bore.

As far as that "secret recipe" - water is cheaper and safer than using hydrogen peroxide in your guns. H2O2 is a strong oxidizer. Granted, in the 3% solution available at the drugstore, it is pretty well diluted. But remember, steel + oxidizers = rust. Why risk it when water works just as well, if not better, and is free?

[Cosmoline]

Ditto on the booze! I keep a mini flask of the high octane mineral alcohol at the range and it's an excellent way to get a fresh bore after the crud starts to build up. Just put some alch. patches down and they'll loosen up all the crud. Great for swabbing the pan, too. And incredibly inexpensive, too. Just don't try to drink any or you'll go blind ;-)

There may be some modern cleaners like CLP that are OK to use with black powder, but given that they cost so much more per unit than plain old hot water and alch., why use them? You don't even need to buy bore butter, since there are a lot of homemade variations on that theme.

[NCWanderer]

I'm glad to see some further discussion on seasoning of firearms. I've been reading your posts with interest. But as I said in an earlier post on this thread I think I'll just not worry about it. After reading all that's been said, I feel that if I clean and oil my gun well, and I do, I shouldn't have to worry about whether the bore is seasoned or not. I'd also like to mention that when I last shot my 58 Remmy. I knew I wouldn't be able to clean it that night so I sprayed it down good with break free and wrapped it in an old t shirt. It turned out to be several days before I was able to clean it. Yesterday I finally got time to clean it and admit I was a little worried that I might find some rust, but didn't find any at all. Just some gooey powder residue. So I cleaned it with hot soapy water and oiled all the parts real good and left it unassembled in a tray. The reason for not assembling it is I thought I'd inspect all the parts good for burrs or rough spots hoping that if I remove these it might smooth up the action a little. NOW a question. I was planning on using 600 or 800 grit sand paper. Does anyone know if this is a fine enough grit to use? I also have a set of needle files, but don't know if I should even think about using them or not. I've never tried this before and don't want to screw up.
NC

[mykeal]

Depends on what you want to do. Removing burrs and surface roughness requires the needle files. Smoothing the action mating parts involves polishing the surfaces, which is a job for emery paper, polishing stones or even polishing compounds.

[BHP FAN]

the less metal removed the better.you're after polishing,not grinding.

[NCWanderer]

I know I shouldn't be doing any grinding and am skepticel of the needle files, but I'd hoped 600 or 800 grit emery paper would be ok since that's what I have on hand. Don't have any polishing stones either, nor do I know where to buy them..Lowes Maybe? I do have some cloth and felt buffing wheels for my Dremel, but don't know about that either. Hate to drive 30 miles round trip to town just for emery cloth, but I will if I really need to.

[Hawkeye748]

Dremel makes a emery impregnated rubber polishing wheels and points that are excellent for smoothing out actions, trigger pulls etc. Might have to order them but they are the best thing I have found to smooth gun parts.

[NCWanderer]

Thanks. I've wondered about those rubber wheels. Didn't know how good they were. I might be able to find some at Lowes or Northern Tools. Guess I'll be making that trip to town in the morning after all. :cuss:

[Hawkeye748]

If you get them, go slow. If you use a high speed on some of the softer Italian metals, you can take a lot off in a hurry.

[mykeal]

Polishing stones available from Brownell's:
Brownell's India Stones (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=9618/Product/INDIA_STONES)

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Northern Tools has them. I trade with them and have them on my favorites list. I just checked but didn't check to see if they were in stock....

[NCWanderer]

Thanks GOTC I'll check there first. I kind of thought they might come nearer having them than Lowes anyway.

[BHP FAN]

If you have the 600 or 800 'wet or dry' sandpaper on hand,save yourself the trip.Wrap some around a popsicle stick,or similar object,and that'll do just fine.The stick keeps the sandpaper rigid to prevent 'rounding' of your parts during polishing.

[arcticap]

This RWS 60% moly paste lube is like having a trigger job in a jar.

http://www.compasseco.com/beeman-metal-metal-paste-p-1325.html

http://www.compasseco.com/images/detail_1325_beeman_moly_paste_99130.jpg

http://www.straightshooters.com/navagationpages/cleanmaintenanceselectionshtml.html

http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/Beeman_Metal_2_Metal_M2M_p/bee99130.htm

[madcratebuilder]

I thought I'd inspect all the parts good for burrs or rough spots hoping that if I remove these it might smooth up the action a little. NOW a question. I was planning on using 600 or 800 grit sand paper. Does anyone know if this is a fine enough grit to use? I also have a set of needle files, but don't know if I should even think about using them or not. I've never tried this before and don't want to screw up.

When cleaning up an action you want to keep clean sharp edges. You really just want to remove any burrs or high spots. Quality files, stones or sand paper backed by something solid works fine. BPH FAN's popsicle stick's work great. A dremel can used to polish parts with a cotton wheel and compound. Those impregnated rubber polishing wheels can be aggressive so go slow.

[NCWanderer]

Thanks MCB I think I'll try the emery paper first since it's raining cats and dogs here and I really don't want to get out and drive to town in it. Maybe a little later I will.
I used a 7x eye loupe to inspect the contact points on the hand, cylinder lock, trigger and hammer and it seems that Pietta left quiet a few tiny little burrs. If I clean these up it should make a differance.

[madcratebuilder]

I used a 7x eye loupe to inspect the contact points on the hand, cylinder lock, trigger and hammer and it seems that Pietta left quiet a few tiny little burrs. If I clean these up it should make a differance.

It normally makes a big difference. You don't really change the dimensions of anything, or alter any angles. You do not need to polish these parts, just deburr any place that metal moves over metal. Look at the slot in the frame for the hand, that can have some nasty machine marks, cleaning that up can really help how smooth everything feels. Check the bolt cam at the bottom of the hammer, I have seen burrs left on the hammer from the drilling operation that are as high as the cam. You would feel that as a rough spot as the leg of the bolt moved over the cam.

Check these stones from Midway, nice to have in your smithing box.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=319747
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=212392
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=931648

[BHP FAN]

''Baker Single Action Hammer Notch Stone Ultra Fine''...wow,my whole life [well,since I was seventeen or so] I've been looking for one of these! Thanks,MCB...

[mykeal]

Did you look at the Brownell's link for India stones above? They might be a bit less expensive.

[madcratebuilder]

If you want just general aluminum oxide India stones this is the best price around. About half as much as Brownell's, not sure if they're Norton or not, they are made in the USA.

http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=284&PMCTLG=00

The ultra fine stones are kind of a specialty item. The ''Baker Single Action Hammer Notch Stone Ultra Fine'' is just a 1/4X1/4X4 stone, ultra fine being the big difference.

[NCWanderer]

this is tedious work, or am I being over cautious? I worked on it awhile last night, and some more this morning. Still not finished. I'm sure some of you highly talented and more experienced folks could have finished this little chore by now. But as I said before I don't want to screw up. Been looking through the eye loup almost as much as I work. Didn't want to, but I'm having to use the needle files on some burrs. There was some pretty big ones on the frame where the holes for the bolt and hand stick through. Anyhow I'm taking a break for a little while to visit Mom to make sure she's ok and doesn't need anything. Guess I'll work on it more when I get back home. Would like to finish today, but don't know.
NC

[mykeal]

The essence of black powder shooting is patience. No, we probably wouldn't have finished by now; in fact, we'd probably take a little longer. In a sport where it can take 5 minutes to load your gun there's really very little that's done quickly. Speed is not the winner.

[NCWanderer]

I put it back together today because I won't to shoot it tomorrow. I got all the burrs I could find smoothed out and done some polishing but I know it needs more. However I was amazed at how much smoother it works already. The sand paper wrapped around a popsicle stick trick worked well. Except I used a cut down tongue suppressor :) Anyway thanks to all of you for the pointers. Maybe someday......when I'm 80 I'll have learned enough to give some pointers to newbys too. :D

[BHP FAN]

We're expurts.Meaning of course,we were all spurts,once...

[NCWanderer]

still working on being a spurt:D

[Ratdog68]

I'm no "expert"... an "ex" is a "has-been" and a "spurt" is a "drip under pressure". :neener:

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

I don't use soap and water. I guess it work's alright but I just don't feel comfortable about water and one of my guns meeting up in that intimate of a relationship. I know in the Marines we took our rifle to the shower with us but that was Uncle Sam's equipment and not mine. I clean my bore (rifle and handgun) with a bore brush and some bore cleaner. I scrub the hell out of the bore, patch it dry, look down it 2 or 3 times very carefully, lubricate it, and I'm through with the bore. The only water I want to come in contact with one of my pieces is maybe the rain if I'm out hunting or whatever. It probably take's me a little longer because I don't boil out the nipples or cylinder or whatever but every little screw, cam, and every single part of the firearm is clean when I get through....Hey, just me. I don't fault others for how they do. I also know I don't want any WD-40 within 40 feet of one of my damn guns. I'd rather lubricate with chicken fat or something....

[Hawkeye748]

Watch the chicken fat, it has salt in it!:D

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Touche!!!

[Ratdog68]

I'm ok with WD-40, so long as it's being used for it's intended purpose "Water Displacement-(recipe attempt) 40".

I've done the soap water routine... but, I decided to give Jaeger's prize a try and went and bought myself a can of Ballistol to try out the next time I shoot my BP guns.

I'm with you GOTC.... I likes a CLEAN bore... and, favor synthetic lubricant.

Sunshine all week long, no rain scheduled until Monday !! Most Zesty ! :D

[Ratdog68]

Watch the chicken fat, it has salt in it!:D
LOL :evil: There's a nice shot across the bow ! :D

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Rat*ucker, what do you mean 'shot across the bow'? Clarify your last statement sir....The sun is going out next week. It came to me in a vision just this morning....

[Ratdog68]

"shot across the bow"... just another phrase for a good/friendly poke in the side... as it appeared to've been intended/taken. "An attention getter"... "A wake up call"... all in fun though.

[NobleSniper]

He is real proud of his sunny days isn't he Gentleman???? :D But then what do you expect form a Ratdog........... all bark and no bite :D

[Ratdog68]

He is real proud of his sunny days isn't he Gentleman???? :D But then what do you expect form a Ratdog........... all bark and no bite :D
Hey... when ya live in Seattle... a week without rain is cause for a celebration ! :neener:

(Silly NobleSniper)... a good 'dog knows his friends and there's no need to bite. :D

And, no, more like this...

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg42/jtowns777/worlds-ugliest-dog.jpg

[NobleSniper]

:d lol!!!

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

RatDog, it was taken friendly. I got a good smile out of it...
Hello Noble Sniper..Yeah, he's pretty proud. Well as little of it as they get I don't suppose we can blame him. I think I read the other day that the last time it shined on the city of Seattle was in 1933. Don't quote me on that but I think that's right!.....

[Ratdog68]

RatDog, it was taken friendly. I got a good smile out of it...
Hello Noble Sniper..Yeah, he's pretty proud. Well as little of it as they get I don't suppose we can blame him. I think I read the other day that the last time it shined on the city of Seattle was in 1933. Don't quote me on that but I think that's right!.....
I wouldn't know... that was LONG before MY time. I'll take your word for it. :D

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Damn, that's an ugly looking critter. More than ugly man. That thing is plumb fugly. It make's Nancy Pelosi look good and By God that's going the distance!....

[NobleSniper]

Nah......that dog has pelosi's ugly ******* face beat all to damnation ;) She makes me want to :barf: and I am being polite :D

[Ratdog68]

Hee Hee Hee !!! I'd say she qualifies as "Doube Coyote Ugly". Heck... she almost makes Rosie O'Donnell look good..... NAW !!!! :D

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Well, Mr. RatDog 68, glad you're doing alright this evening. Enjoyed chatting with you.
You to Noble Sniper. Glad to hear from you to.
I'm going to close I guess and get a little rest. Some ******* shot an antelope in the lower left front leg and just left it. The game warden happened to see the animal and put it out of it's misery. He dropped it off at my neighbor's place and my neighbor want's me to help him skin it out in the morning. His back is down on him and he said he'd share the meat with me. I'm going over and help him but I don't want any of the meat. He's a good neighbor. Ya'll have a good night, both of you. Please tell Das Jaeger I was asking after him....

[NobleSniper]

YIKES.............. here I go again :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

[Ratdog68]

GOTC... you have a good evening as well. Yum.... "speed-goat" in Teriyaki marinade and BBQ'd.

LOL (NobleSniper)... how do you think I feel? I haven't even had my dinner yet ! :D

[NobleSniper]

Then eat some supper there Ratdog ;)

[Ratdog68]

I will... just as soon as I decide what I'm hankerin' for.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Ratdog, I was over there at 0730hrs this morning and we were skinning that thing out and the game warden came pulling up there with 6 more in the back of his pickum up. Took them away from somebody he caught poaching on somebody else's land. I'vd damn sure got plenty of antelope meat. My neighbor was glad though. He has those 2 growing boys and the meat will come in handy this winter.
You doing alright this evening? Hope so. I had forgotten that today is Saturday. I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio on XM and on the weekends about all one can get is repeats from Friday....

[Ratdog68]

Ratdog, I was over there at 0730hrs this morning and we were skinning that thing out and the game warden came pulling up there with 6 more in the back of his pickum up. Took them away from somebody he caught poaching on somebody else's land. I'vd damn sure got plenty of antelope meat. My neighbor was glad though. He has those 2 growing boys and the meat will come in handy this winter.
You doing alright this evening? Hope so. I had forgotten that today is Saturday. I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio on XM and on the weekends about all one can get is repeats from Friday....
Sounds like Mr. Warden needs a bug put into his ear 'bout the plight of the feller you loaned some money to so his family will have a fighting chance for a spell. :D Good on ya for wearin' out yer knives to help out another.

I'm doin' good. Fixin' to marinate some dead chicken parts for tomorrow... m'be grill up a chunk of dead cow this evening.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

I didn't show up with anything but an empty coffee cup! He used his Gerber and I used a couple of his Old Hickory's..
The warden already know's the man I helped out will get plenty of that meat. Most of it in fact. He dropped it off with my neighbor because he live's closer. I call him my neighbor and he is but he's still not very damn close I can tell you that! We hang together and help each other back in here. Only way any of us could survive for any extended period of time....You actually cooking a dead chicken? Hmmm, first time I ever heard of that. Of course I understand about the cow being dead. She'd kick the grill over or something....

[Ratdog68]

A little elbow room is a GOOD thing. I gotta listen to my neighbor sneezing every day here. LOL Yup... nuttin' as fine as good neighbors. The rest of 'em can help ya to appreciate the good ones even more. :D Yeah... this is one funny lookin' chicken too... all thighs.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Ratdog, guess I better add here. I was wearing my Leatherman Super Tool and a Buck 103T skinner. Had some more stuff in the truck. He told me not to use my stuff, that there was no need of both of us messing up our tools. Also, although we do help out each other when the need arises one need's (better know) to take care of themselves back in here. Like, I'vd got my winter's supply of propane for heating and cooking, plenty of gasoline and oil and heet for my generators, most of my food and tobacco and pretty well everything I want and need to carry me in a comfortable manner from now until next July or so. I'll still got about 4 months I can run back and forth to town if I think of something I want before I get drifted in for a couple of months or so....

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

All thighs huh? Well, I'll be damned. Well, not too surprising I guess. Mr. Hillary Clinton is all thighs and ass....(and shrieking piehole)

[Ratdog68]

I unnerstan'. For the fuel and such... give a thought to tryin' out a product called "Sea Foam". NAPA usually carries it. It's an excellent fuel system cleaner/fuel stabilizer. Also does a fair job at cleaning the combustion chamber too. A pint can is about $6 and will treat 20 gals. of fuel... gas/diesel. My yard equipment starts year after year (2 stroke and 4 stroke)... been usin' it for about ten years now.

http://www.seafoamsales.com/images/stories/motortreatment_product.jpg

http://www.seafoamsales.com/motor-treatment/index.html

[Ratdog68]

All thighs huh? Well, I'll be damned. Well, not too surprising I guess. Mr. Hillary Clinton is all thighs and ass....(and shrieking piehole)
Yeah... but, those are rank ones. I only settle for fresh. :D

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Is that stuff any better than Heet, you reckon? Never heard of the stuff you're talking about here. Not saying it's not good mind you, just saying I'vd always had good luck with Heet.
Yeah, I imagine her's is a little spoiled!!....Well, if you'vd been using it for 10 years or so you must be having good service with it....Where they sell it at?....

[Ratdog68]

I'd eyeball the link below the pic to verify what they say 'bout drying the fuel to keep your fuel lines from freezing. It doesn't get that cold here... so that hasn't been a concern for me in selection of my fuel treatment. It does seem to do a better job of being a fuel stabilizer than "StaBil" does. I've seen StaBil gel up after a while. Most of the better parts houses carry it. I find most NAPA places have it.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Yeah, don't like StaBil at all. It'll work to a degree and then it just shut's down and goes straight to hell.
Guess I might shoot out my Cattleman's in a little while here. I'm sure the caps are still hot and I know the powder charges are sealed up good in there. I may just change the caps. I don't even feel like looking at that '47 right now. I know it's alright anyway.
Not much interesting conversation on this site like there used to be. Maybe I'm just getting old. Half these damned ol' guns they're talking about on here I haven't ever heard of anyway....

[Ratdog68]

The SeaFoam says on the can that it will de-ice/anti-gel... and that it dries oil and fuel. I thought I remember it doing that... I just haven't needed that benefit here in Seattle.

I have an '84 Hurst/Olds that's basically sat in my driveway for six years and hasn't left the driveway in that time. A few weeks ago, I decided to make sure it was still runnin'. The battery had died after all that time, but, with a new battery... and a quick shot of starting fluid and the ol' girl barked to life just fine. I'd treated the gas with the SeaFoam when I parked it. It purrs just as smooth as it did the day I parked it.

[NobleSniper]

While I haven't used that particualr product they (Seafoam) have something similiar to wd-40 to loosen rusted items........... its unsticks things well ;) Gentleman, most auto parts stores it seems carry this line of products as well ;)

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

I'll check it all out.
Oh! Of course RatDog 68. I forgot ya'll were getting all that sunshine in Seattle! Why, it must be 110 degrees in the shade down there right now.
I guess I'll stick with Heet. Might try a little of that other stuff to just to see how it does. I appreciate ya'll telling me about it.
I changed the caps on my loaded Cattleman's.
Hey, I didn't keep much meat from those antelope. I took 3 hindquarters and one backstrap. Didn't have room for any more of it anyway. I cooked one of the hindquarters in my pressure cooker last night. Ate a piece of it with a little salt. It was good. This morning I sauteed up a good onion and used a little flour to make a roux in the pan with the onion. Then I added a right smart of the cooked antelope quarter and some water and seasoning. It's on the stove right now turned way down low. It is making a real good gravy. Damn good Cajun cooking going on here fellow except I'm using antelope instead of turtle or 'coon or maybe some 'gator. Got this place smelling so good it would make some of ya'll go home and slap your wife if you could smell it. Probably cook a couple cups of rice to go with it.
I checked my beltguns a while ago and relubricated them. Didn't need any but I put some more on them anyway. Damned if I was going to take them out and just look at them for nothing.
I bet I just figured out why not many people are on here talking. It's foot ball season. I had forgotten about that. Well, I don't keep up with that silly s***....

[Ratdog68]

Actually... it's close to 60 here... rain scheduled for tomorrow though. M'be the grass will green up again soon. :D

Sounds like you have a good plan of attack goin' on with that hunk of speed-goat !!! I've got them chicken parts in the smoker with apple chips. They'll get a little seasoning before they go on the grill later. Leftovers for lunch tomorrow !!

My Walker and Remmies are all clean and lubed... ready to go the next time I grab one of them for some range time. The .54 Renegade is good to go. I was VERY pleased with it's groupings at 50yds.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

XXXX

[Ratdog68]

T/C Renegade doesn't have as much furniture on it as the Hawken does. Same heavy barrel, double set triggered percussion.

I have two Hawkens... a Traditions in .50 is hasn't been fired yet... and a T/C in .50 that I bought used and will be going through it before I shoot it. It was originally a kit that wasn't put together with a lot of care/attention. The browning on it was nasty, so, I've taken it down to bare metal and put a coating of oil on it. This winter, it'll get some TLC to bring up some shine and remain in the white. The stock will get sanded down and fitted a bit better before being refinished.

I shoot at a private range... haven't become a member of it yet though. Pretty good facility. The downside of it is... there's all levels of people there... sometimes they're not the sharpest tools in the shed... but, at least they're not the "anti" crowd... so, ya learn to smile and get along.

Got my dead chicken parts on the grill, fresh out of the smoker (apple wood)... and tuggin' on a mug of hot tea... gonna have some scalloped 'taters to go with it tonight.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Yeah, chicken's good. So is hot tea. Hey, I used to drink Earl Grey tea and it was pretty good but while I was in Alaska I discovered some type of black russian tea that came in a can. It was loose, not in bags. It is good strong tea. I have some here but haven't drunk any tea for over a year.
I know you're gonna laugh at this but I don't care. Now I like chicken pretty well in different ways and I even make a pot of chicken and dumplings now and then but my favorite way of cooking and eating chicken is real simple. I just boil a whole chicken (I mean not cut up) and when it's done I lift it out and put it on a plate. Grab the salt shaker and put 2 or 3 big table spoonfuls of mayonaise on the plate and dig in. To me it's a good meal. I eat a lot pf potatoes to but mostly diced up and homefried with an onion cut up and cooked in them and a little salt and black pepper and a hint of garlic and maybe a little butter.
I hope you enjoy your chicken my brother. Apple work's good. Before my wife died she would smoke a turkey now and then and she would use a lot of apples. (I don't know about the wood)....

[Ratdog68]

Can't say that I've ever had it prepared that way... but, when supplies are limited in the wilds of Alaska... I can see where one uses what one has available. Besides... one of the BEST sammiches ever to lay a lip on is to grab a left over roll, slather some cranberry sauce on, some mayo, some pepper and some leftover turkey at Thanksgiving... so... why not that mix?

Dinner was too good, and the leftovers will make for a tasty lunch tomorrow too.

Russians do know a thing or three about black tea... no doubt.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

The gentleman came buy and brought me my $156.00 back. He offered me an extra $10.00 but I wouldn't take it. I asked him if he robbed a bank or sold his new baby!.. He borrowed it from a finance company. They checked to make sure he was going to be able to go to work in a few days and told him hell yeah how much did he need?
Here's what I thought was a little funny. My neighbor had carried him about 4 of those antelope over there and some kind of recipe from his mother (a full blooded Kiowa) about putting some of the cooked meat into a blender and turning it almost into a powder and then mixing this and that with it and the baby would eat the hell out of it. But when he showed up to give me the money he brought me 2 hindquarters and some backstrap! My neighbor didn't tell him I'd already taken some home! I kept it. He was trying to be nice to me and it would have been very disrespectful of me to tell him no.
Glad your chicken was good. Yeah, the Russians know a little about tea. Here's the general rule of thumb. You want good wine and cheese? Go to France. Want good beer? Go to Germany. Want good tea? Go to Russia. Want good cigarettes and bourbon whiskey? Go to the United States. Don't concern yourself with England. All they do is drink tea and spy for the Russians.
Talk to you later. I'm going to be off here for an hour or so....

[Ratdog68]

Glad to hear your neighbor was able to get you paid back. Yup... I'm sure it made him feel good to be able to give you something in return. Smoke up the extra and make some jerky. LOL

I can go along with most of your list... but, I'm not too keen on German beer. Most all of it I've tasted was skunky. I'm more of an ale fan... dark beers.

[NobleSniper]

German beer is EXCELLANT ;) One of my favorites as long as it is warm :D

[Ratdog68]

You can keep the warm skunk juice. :barf:

[NobleSniper]

I will drink the skunk juice......... just keep that fruity lacey stuff to yourself :D :neener:

[Ratdog68]

Fruity lacey stuff? I'm talkin' DARK... with close to 8% content. We're talking GOOD gear here !! :neener: :evil:

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Damn! Didn't mean to start a range war here! Yeah, most of the German beer is dark. Damn near black they call it. I reckon their beer is good though, at least that's what the majority of the world says. Beer is supposed to be at room temperature when it's drank. Well, in my not so all knowing opinion I know I wouldn't mind if they took Budweiser and pumped it back into the horse they got it out of.
Think I might take my '47 out here in the yard and get off about 12 fast shots in the morning. Just sort of keep my old hand in. I still ain't nothing to sniff at but I'm not as good as I was a few years ago. I used to be hell on a fast track with that Walker. It was just something that I set my mind to that I was going to master. Took a long time to learn how to shoot it though. I was thinking about that off and on today. I swear, that '47 is the hardest gun to get a handle on I'vd ever been around in my life or know of anybody else ever being around. I don't mean just bang bang bang, I mean really learn how to shoot it.
I'm thinking I might get up here in a moment and make me a cup of that black ass Russian tea. I haven't had any tea in over a year. I can't measure it just for a cup. If I make some I'll just make a pot of it....PS I'm too lazy to slice it up and make jerky!!....

[Ratdog68]

GOTC... LOL No range war. Just a mutual affirmation of what the other one likes and some good natured banter tossed back/forth. :D

Had my dinner, warmed me right up. A front has rolled in and the temps dropped and some rain. Finally had to close up the windows this afternoon. Me too... workin' on my second mug of hot tea for the evening.

Me thinks the next time I do some BP revolver shooting... I just may drag out one of the Remmies and give 'em a whirl or three. I enjoyed shootin' the Walker... even with the minor wedge issue I had. Got that fixed right up when I got home though. It's got a nice "push" to it, instead of the sharp "bark" of the modern types. Had it loaded with 40gr of 777 fffg and .454 ball. Seemed to do just fine with that mix.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

RatDog, yeah a person has to work out the load. Just because the load will hit good on out there dosen't mean it's worth a damn close in and vice versa.
I have alway's had good luck with the Triple Seven. It's clean burning and hard hitting. I'm sure you already know that or you wouldn't be using it. I'm not gonna shoot the '47 today. I woke up this morning and I'vd done changed my mind. I don't feel like messing with it.
Been cool here over the last couple of nights. It warm's up a bit during the day.
Well, glad to hear from you and hope you're doing well. Thank you for not getting some of those Seattle thugs to do a hit on Noble Sniper concerning the beer!....

[NobleSniper]

Seattle thugs?????? :D

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Yeah, Noble Sniper, Seattle is crawling with them. I had to beg him half the night not to send a couple of them after you! Something about that good German beer I reckon. He must have gotten sick off of it one time or something!....

[NobleSniper]

Don't worry about me Gentleman ;) I am ready for anything and in my current frame of mind might even welcome a good ruckus :D

[Ratdog68]

RatDog, yeah a person has to work out the load. Just because the load will hit good on out there dosen't mean it's worth a damn close in and vice versa.
I have alway's had good luck with the Triple Seven. It's clean burning and hard hitting. I'm sure you already know that or you wouldn't be using it. I'm not gonna shoot the '47 today. I woke up this morning and I'vd done changed my mind. I don't feel like messing with it.
Been cool here over the last couple of nights. It warm's up a bit during the day.
Well, glad to hear from you and hope you're doing well. Thank you for not getting some of those Seattle thugs to do a hit on Noble Sniper concerning the beer!....

mainly because "on the shelf" options do not include Goex or another "orginal". Pyroduck doesn't impress me (from what all I've read) for my area... and I like the idea of loose powder over rabbit droppings. Jaegermeister pokes a little fun at my 777, but, I like it just fine. I'm lookin' forward to doin' more tinkerin' with the loads on the Walker... as well as on my Remmies.

Shhh... the thugs were our little secret. We've got some doozies lined up for his NobleSniperness !!! :evil:

[Ratdog68]

Seattle thugs?????? :D

I'm gonna send 'em all over. They're all far left wingers, of "odd orientation"... and LOVE skunk juice !!! They'll never leave... and m'be we'll be able to get some sanity back into our local politics. :evil: They're gonna LOVE you !! :neener:

[madcratebuilder]

Seattle thugs??????

Isn't that a naked, bicycle riding, anarchist?

[Ratdog68]

That's the conservatively minded ones ! :D

[SHIPCHIEF]

Wasn't there something inappropriate with a Horse? Kilt him too.
Some kinda neighbors.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Evening Mr. RatDog68 sir. How's everything be with you all?....

[fred in nc]

My grandma's cast iron skillets had a blackened smooth baked on coating which was essentially polymerized grease or oil that had some very visible carbonization. Water wouldn't even wet it without a good deal of soap or dish detergent. Doesn't seem like the bore of any gun I've ever seen.

[Ratdog68]

Good evening back to ya Mr. GOTC... life's good at my end. Rain and 61F here now. Sad day in the neighborhood though... the local doughnut shop closed their door today. It's been a neighborhood icon for about 50yrs. Got some 'sketti fixin' to go on a plate soon for my dinner.

How's life in the high country of WY?

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Little cold tonight with the wind blowing at a good clip. Be down to 18 degrees tonight and that mean's about 12 or 13 out here where I'm at with the wind and all.
Hey, if you like their doughnuts so much you should have patronized them a bit more. Maybe they'd still be open!! I can't resist adding this....If ya'll liked a certain gun that damn much maybe ya'll should have bought more of them and they'd still be making it!!!....

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

When my Grandmother (and my mother and my wife) would get a new cast iron skillet they would put it into the oven and burn it for a few hours. I don't know exactly what it done but I'vd since done the same thing and it make's them cook real good. I can't figure out what that would have to do with my Walker or '58. I know damn well that neither them or a .45 inline is going into a hot assed oven, not around here....

[Ratdog68]

Yup... that's a fair chill in the air... low humidity is your friend when the temps drop !

LOL Trust me... that place got more than it's share of my pocket change over the years... with a background as a LEO... no good doughnut shall go ignored ! :D

There's a nice shot 'cross the bow of the Sturm followers... don't have to 'splain that one to me. :evil:

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Yeah I love doughnuts. Too far to go into town but sometimes I'll make some. I'll make enough to last about a week. I'm not supposed to eat any I believe but I do. I don't have any made right now. Actually they don't come out too bad. Sometimes I'll roll them in white powdered sugar and sometimes in chocolate syrup or whatever. Just all depend's on what sort of inventativess state of mine I get off into!!! Hell, sometimes I'll eat them plain. RatDog68, do people eat much lamb in Seattle?....

[Ratdog68]

I'm sure that there's a bit of lamb eaten here. The selection at the meat section in the store is small... but, exists. I like a roast leg of lamb... when you think you have the right amount of garlic in it... double it.

Yup... sounds like you have a good handle on makin' a doughnut that'll make yer tongue slap yer brains.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Yeah, I like garlic myself..Well, I'm gonna shut it down for tonight RatDog 68. I'm going to eat. I made me some red beans again and this time instead of bacon I chunked up some antelope meat and put in there. They came out so damn good! I already knew they were good with moose meat cooked up in them but wasn't completely sure about the antelope. They're very good. Have a good night RatDog....

[Ratdog68]

Sounds like some good eats ya have goin' on. Enjoy your speed-goat and beans. All ya need is some cornbread to go with it.

Keep warm !

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Hell boy! I'vd alway's got some cornbread! Two things I do every day. I make me a pan of homemade biscuits and then on up later in the day I'll make a skillet of cornpone. You're chatting with an ol' country boy that was hatched and reared up in those North Alabama hills. Like Johnny Cash used to sing about..."I got all my country learning a milking and a churning, picking cotton, raising hell and baling hay!"...(and shooting my great granddaddy's .32 caliber squirrel rifle when my folks would let me)....

[Ratdog68]

'Gis checkin' !!! :D

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

RatDog68, good evening. Hey this feller got on this cash for clunkers deal and got his self a brand new 'green' pick up truck. He was back in about a week. "how you like that new truck?" the salesman asked. " I don't like it" the customer replied. The salesman was really concerned. "what's wrong with it?" "damn radio don't work right. Can't get a station to come in at all." "oh! but sirrr!" the saleman replied.."This is one of these new voice activated radios. Let me show you. See, just slide this red switch to the right and push in and then speak to the radio." He set the switch and whispered in the customer's ear. "Now, just speak to the radio. Just say the name of whomever you want to hear sing." The man looked at the radio and said "Nelson." A voice came out of the radio and said "Ricky or Wille?" "Willie." "The voice in the radio said "And now ladies and gentlemen, here's Willie Nelson." Sure enough there's ol' Willie signing something about on the road again. Man that customer was happy. He jumped in his truck and took off and was be-bopping all around town messing with his new radio. Tried every singer he knew of. Even put a little Beethoven on there. He was so happy RatDog. Then all of a sudden this little Honda or Toyota whipped in front of him and cut him off. He had to slam on his brakes and he got really pissed. He screamed at the driver Fu***** As*h***!!!!. A voice came over the radio and said "And now ladies and gentlemen, the Speaker of the House".....(!!)

[Ratdog68]

LOL ! Last week... yer president walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder. The bar keep looks up and asked: "Where on earth did you get him ???" The parrot says: "Kenya, they're all over the place."

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

That's a keeper!!! Jefferson Davis is my President. Jeb Stuart is my Vice President....

[Ratdog68]

Otay.... if'n you insist... "Jefferson Davis walks into a bar, with a parrot on his shoulder..." :D

[Das Jaeger]

There were no Bars , thems were Pubs and Taverns , Ale Houses , Salloons etc , back then . :D
Oh and I see your tempting the Moderators again with your President Jokes , sweet ! And now I have to write another Chapter in my stupid book of " My Collection of Nightmares Stories and -or DimShooter Tails . :banghead:
Gee thanks . :neener:
How's it hangin anywayz ?

Das Jaeger , who hates Cyber Oprression of any sort , especailly double standard type , word ! :fire:

[Ratdog68]

Me pokes fun at me's self as much as I pokes fun at others' behavior... so, I'm an equal opportunity picker-on-er. I figures, if a man can't laugh at himself... he's gonna miss out on a lot of humor in his life.

Workin' on my coffe this morning... and, gettin' the juices flowin' in the joints. So far, so good. LOL

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Noble Sniper will kick ya'll's asses if he catches ya'll referring to mine and hisn's President in those heinous and despicable terms!!....

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Down in Alabama my sister almost took out somone with that Howdah. He made it the rest of the way across her backyard and into the treeline just as she was getting ready to souse down on his ass. Those trees and on back through there a ways is still her property. He had been messing around a couple of the windows and tried both doors. She was just laying there waiting for him to come inside as per an attorney and Alabama State Trooper's instructions and directions to her. (she could still shoot him in her yard if she felt threatened for herself or her grand children) He must have suspicioned something because he took off running. She just couldn't get to the door quite fast enough....Afternoon RatDog 68, Noble Sniper, and Herr Jigger....

[Ratdog68]

It'd sure be best if he didn't try comin' back for another round. Sure glad to hear your family members are alright ! That's a lot of emotions for them to have to go through. Kind of frustrating to be so far away when news like that comes in.

Good afternoon back to you GOTC... hope you're stayin' nice and toasty over your way.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Couldn't be better 68. Thank you for inquiring. Hope you're doing well also. Ahhh, she can take care of things. Besides, her son live's right next door to her, not even 50 yards away. Of course he sleep's like a damn grizzly in hibernation....

[SHIPCHIEF]

BOOM, BOOM HOWDA ya like them pumpkins? :what:

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Shipchief..That's good. I'm gonna pass it on to her!..She probably won't think it's funny but I'm gonna tell her anyway because I think it's funny!!....

[Ratdog68]

Couldn't be better 68. Thank you for inquiring. Hope you're doing well also. Ahhh, she can take care of things. Besides, her son live's right next door to her, not even 50 yards away. Of course he sleep's like a damn grizzly in hibernation....
Glad to hear she's got some back up... even if he does hybernate at night.

[Das Jaeger]

I would leave a trail of Gold Foil Chocolate Coins comming right up to the front door GOTC and see if he bites . :D
Wham , Howdah you do mutha ! :eek:

How's the Ratpuppy tonight, all's good here in Candy Land . :D

Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

Moi? Doin' just fine. Ordered up a pizza tonight, now, just kickin' back and lettin' the body rest. LOL

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

No, we don't want any kind of 'enticement' or 'setup' going on here. She can handle things. She keep's that thing laying right there sort of under the covers and sort of laying on the pillow right next to her head. Sometimes she sleep's with her head resting against it and she's alway's got a hand on it. She sleep's real light and she can hear a mouse piss on a piece of cotton way on out there....