remind me of shooting fundamentals?


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badbadtz560
August 4, 2009, 02:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Zioo5ixw4

So after watching that, it makes me curious what his fundamentals are? b/c I might be missing out :D He says it so fast that I can't follow.

If grip isn't so important to hittin where u want it to hit, what is?

sorry if this is a noob question :D could save me a lot of ammo if I find out hehe

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David E
August 4, 2009, 03:14 PM
He said he thinks the grip is the most important element.

There are good points in the video, but he also contradicts himself regarding the grip and trigger finger control.

Watch it again and you might catch more of what he's saying. I agree, he does speak too fast for someone trying to instruct someone in the proper grip.

bensdad
August 4, 2009, 03:15 PM
You really want to take your advice from THIS guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp_hXgjREkU&feature=PlayList&p=CC8F46DAAA210720&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9

when THIS guy is more than happy to help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNjcubxfQA&feature=channel

This guy also knows what's up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StXMHw32kjA&feature=channel

There are several good resources for learning proper technique. However, nothing can compare to real, in-person training.

badbadtz560
August 4, 2009, 03:33 PM
I actually see all of these videos complementing each other.. but perhaps I'm ignoring the stuff that doesn't match up haha.. from the vid I put up:
right hand concentrates on front and back of grip
secondary hand concentrates on left'n right pressure
grip the pistol real hard
second video to me shows more detailed about positioning the grip but doesn't mention how hard to grip.
third and fourth seem to be all about reloading... I'm still tryin to hit targets past 10 yards for now :D Neither one seems to explain that much about the rest of the fundamentals... or perhaps they are and I didn't know it?

Does everybody put a vice grip on their pistol when shooting? b/c I actually hold it somewhat loosely :D I actually didn't put that much pressure w/ my secondary hand.. so we'll see if that makes a diff next time hehe

sohcgt2
August 4, 2009, 03:41 PM
If you are shooting defensively I recommend what is refered to as a "crush grip", strong hand grips as tight as posible and pushes away from the body, support hand grips strong hand and pulls toward the body. This creates an isometric triangle and will help with followup shots.

VegasOPM
August 4, 2009, 03:56 PM
The top pistol shooters in the world typically use some derivative of the isoceles stance and a grip that use noticably more grip pressure applied with the support hand than the strong hand.

badbadtz560
August 4, 2009, 04:02 PM
If you are shooting defensively I recommend what is refered to as a "crush grip", strong hand grips as tight as posible and pushes away from the body, support hand grips strong hand and pulls toward the body. This creates an isometric triangle and will help with followup shots.

are you referring to weaver? or keep w/ isosceles.

I usually practice both at the range... I'm about equally bad with both hehe..

what's funny is that when the power went out and I heard loud noises... I didn't use weaver or isosceles... I went akimbo haha.. atleast until I found my long gun :-p

atomd
August 4, 2009, 07:39 PM
Those Todd Jarrett videos are great. He has a knack for teaching. Plus, watching him shoot is learning in itself as well as entertainment.

sohcgt2
August 4, 2009, 07:39 PM
are you referring to weaver? or keep w/ isosceles.

It works with either so use what your comfortable with. The key is push the gun to the target with the strong hand and pull it back to you with the support hand all while squeezing the gun so hard your fingertips go numb. This style of grip is not for target or competition shooting. It is, however, very effective for short periods (personal defense).

9mmepiphany
August 4, 2009, 08:27 PM
i has been my experience, and training through some well know classes, that the ultimate skill to attain to be able to hit your target is trigger control...it is also the most perishable

BCRider
August 5, 2009, 07:00 PM
I actually see all of these videos complementing each other.. but perhaps I'm ignoring the stuff that doesn't match up haha.. from the vid I put up:
right hand concentrates on front and back of grip
secondary hand concentrates on left'n right pressure.


Yep, and if the strong hand pushes forward lightly and the support hand pulls back to counter then between the grip pressures and fore and aft pressure you lock the pistol in place nicely for the optimum control.

....grip the pistol real hard


Not REAL hard but much like you would a bat if you were playing softball. Firm enough to provide control and support but not so hard that your hands and arms tire and fail after a couple or three magazines. You want to support it but not so hard that the bullets try to squeeze out the top and bottom like toothpaste... :D

There's still a lot to think about between the hands and arms. But when I manage it the groups are decidely magical in size.... we won't talk about the other times... :D

Frank Ettin
August 5, 2009, 09:36 PM
Yep, stick with Todd Jarrett.

Mad Magyar
August 6, 2009, 09:30 AM
If grip isn't so important to hittin where u want it to hit, what is?

sorry if this is a noob question could save me a lot of ammo if I find out hehe
It would be helpful to know what caliber pistol, handloads?, custom modifications-or stock, etc. you're using.....
Yep, stick with Todd Jarrett.
How many shoot or carry a "raced" .38 Super with "softball" loads? :scrutiny:
I'll sum up the OP query: firm grip-sighting-trigger squeese utilizing one or two-hands....If you are "point-shooting", sighting becomes less relevant.

mgkdrgn
August 6, 2009, 10:11 AM
Aim small...

miss small.

Frank Ettin
August 6, 2009, 10:13 AM
...If grip isn't so important to hittin where u want it to hit, what is?...Trigger control is the single most important factor in accurate shooting -- a smooth press straight back on the trigger with only the trigger finger moving.

Sam1911
August 6, 2009, 11:40 AM
Yep, stick with Todd Jarrett.

How many shoot or carry a "raced" .38 Super with "softball" loads?

What? He's not shooting an Open gun in those videos. Can't tell if it's .45ACP or .38 Super or 9mm.

And, who ever shoots "softball" .38 Super loads in an Open gun? Most of the time they're hot-rodded to make the comp work better.

Tactical trainers (can/may) teach valuable shooting techniques that competition trainers do not -- usually shooting from retention positions and extreme out-of-position stuff and they might even go so far as to discuss situational awareness and the "theory" and even law behind defensive shooting. But the Jarrett videos given in the post above cover the very basics of sound, fast marksmanship. Once you've got those techniques mastered then worry about figuring out what he teaches that you don't need to know.

-Sam

Sam1911
August 6, 2009, 11:45 AM
If you're interested in how these techniqes work with a revolver check out Mr. Jerry's words on the subject: http://www.myoutdoortv.com/pdk/web/smith.html?feedPID=00zG15zm84msK0GbWemanhJ0KNWQYqM4

And, lest someone comment that he's shooting "softball" .38 Specials out of a race gun :rolleyes:, note that he finishes the first segment on grip firing a .500 Mag.

Enjoy!

-Sam

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