Taurus PT 709 SLIM 9mm anygood?


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Paul82
August 4, 2009, 09:35 PM
Does anyone have this gun? do you like it or no? I saw this at the gunshop last week and I was wondering about it. Its $400 Any Jam issues?

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Paul82
August 4, 2009, 10:13 PM
Sorry had in wrong forum.

The Lone Haranguer
August 4, 2009, 10:19 PM
This early report is not favorable. (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5808504&posted=1#post5808504) It is impossible to say if this is just one bad apple or the whole bunch is bad.

W L Johnson
August 4, 2009, 10:26 PM
Here, I'll copy and paste what I said in another thread

Well... just got back from the range today after running about 200 rounds through the little 709. The ammo was a mix of Winchester white box, CCI Blazer Alum case and a few Remington Golden sabers 124 +P Hollow points. I am happy to say that I didn't have a single problem at all. No FTF's, FTE;s, or misfires. Best 5 shot group was about 1.5 inches at 21 feet free standing (with the Win white box), but most were closer to 2 to 3 inches, about the same as my CZ Rami did as well.

Points to note

1) Trigger: It's long and smooth all the way and breaks well. Going from the Rami to the 709 and back was a bit of shock because of the long pull on the 709 compared to the Rami, but I like a long pull on a CCW for safety reasons.

2) Recoil and grip: You feel it, the lack of weight shows here but the grip design allows you to maintain control the whole time. The grip is longer than the Rami which only allows me to get two fingers on it below the trigger guard while with the 709 I can get my little finger on it as well. But the Rami's weight reduces felt recoil a bit more.The 709 is light years ahead of the Kel-tel here which beats up my hand and after a mag or two I'm ready to call it a day.

3) Accuracy: Well, 1.5 inches at 21 feet with WWB with a 3 inch barrel probably is good enough for self defense. It surprised me here, doing as well as it did.

4) Sights: No problems here, good clear 3 dot sights which as a plus are adjustable.

5) Reliability: 100% so far with Winchester white box, CCI Blazer and Remmy Golden Sabers. I need to try Corbon next but my supply is getting low and I can't find any.

Paul82
August 4, 2009, 10:28 PM
Maybe its just the ammo. I dont know. IF others have this gun please report how you like it or dont like it.

Would this gun be good for CCW?

hoghead
August 4, 2009, 11:22 PM
GoT it love it great CCW gun over 300 flawless rounds fired thanks

m2steven
August 5, 2009, 12:52 AM
I will give you a "buy" on the gun for one great reason: when it's working well it's probably the best performing 9mm pistol of it's size being made today. I've shot about 500 rounds through mine and it light strikes some rounds. So today I called Taurus, they called Fed Ex, and within 2 hours they had a fed-ex guy at my door with a box and label - prepaid.

The pistol is really fun to shoot. It feels great in my hand and frankly I love it. So i'm opting to get mine fixed. I know one person who is also experiencing light strikes and Taurus picked up his pistol too.

I think it's worth buying, and if it's not 100 percent, worth fixing. I paid 339.00 for mine. Many folks are putting hundreds of perfect rounds through theirs, and I believe they will echo the great characteristics of this pistol. But it's your money - .

I have another Taurus and it's probably the BEST 9mm I have, and I have a CZ75b. I think their problems are mostly quality control, not design.

W L Johnson
August 5, 2009, 01:20 AM
When I sold electronics the avg rate for dead in box was around 5%. Some brands worst, some brands better. I don't know what it is now, this was many many moons ago. Pretty much the same thing applies to guns, even tho I couldn't tell you what the percentage is, you are always going to have some DOA (Dead On Arrival). I don't care what brand it is. Taurus get bashed alot here. They are view by many as being a cheap gun.

But what gets me is when someone posts about a problem with a $2,000 gun the response usually is "don't worry they're fix it" . But when it's a $300 gun (ie taurus) the response usually is "see, see, told you they are a POS".

oh well, it's late and I'm going to bed. Good night.

Timetraveller
August 5, 2009, 05:05 AM
The Taurus PT709 is slim and easily concealable. I carry mine on the hip everyday. It's practical. I purchased the stainless steel slide. No malfunctions. It cost me $379. I wish Glock had thought of this concept. The only problem I have is locating a leather holster for this pistol. Point of aim is natural. The sights are adequate. I prefer carrying this over my S&W 642.

weregunner
August 5, 2009, 09:10 AM
There is this to consider:
http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_han ... index.html

hoghead
August 5, 2009, 09:48 AM
There is some
selling leather holster on eBay for the 709 they look nice

XNavyflyer
August 5, 2009, 12:29 PM
Does anyone have a size/weight comparison of the 709 and the Walther PPS?

jocko
August 5, 2009, 01:37 PM
ur gonna find negatives on the taurus 709 and for that matter taurus itself. When a person has issues with a gun what ever brand it is,he seems to post on every forum what POS guns they are. It is going to happen . It is man made,we screw up, machines are not perfect. Looks to me when the fella had an issue with his 709 that within 2 hours fed x was there to pick it up ojn Taurus's dime. Just not sure one should complain about that at all I hav enot seen a 709 or their 380 at all anywhere, but I would have no iseus buying one of the first out, and it it ain't rigt I feel taurus will make it right. Hell look at the lcp, they had to recall every one of them, over 50,000 . ruger took care of the issues and now most all owners swear by them instead at them. This is the internet and one willget allkkinds of feedback on guns, some from non owners even, You just never know what u are reading is fact or fiction. If you think you wlant one, buy it, if it turns out to indeed be a POS then peddle it and buy another gun. Were not married to these guns..

Paul82
August 5, 2009, 05:02 PM
I don't think I will get it. I don't want a problem if I ever needed it for self defence. Does anyone know of pistol under $600 thats good?

jocko
August 5, 2009, 05:34 PM
Paul82> How did you base ur final decision?/

DasFriek
August 5, 2009, 05:50 PM
I don't think I will get it. I don't want a problem if I ever needed it for self defence. Does anyone know of pistol under $600 thats good?
Any gun can have problems,Glock and $2k Les Baer's included.
No line of guns can be "good" 100% of the time,its how the maker responds to issues and how they fix them that makes a gun "good".Some lines of guns have lemons and some have lots of lemons,but all have lemons just the same.

No matter, go try Glock if problems out of the box bother you.By saying that im not over looking the many flaws they have and previously had.But if you gotta have a gun with the best odds of being good Glock is it.
I sold mine tho.
Then id say go look at S&W M&P line and also SA XD line,both on par with Glock.

To me any of those listed just dont do it for me,and i require reliability also.
What made me look elsewhere is every gun is differant and appeals to differant needs,size and features.The line of weapons listed above is good at wearing on a hip and going bang when needed.But forget having small,thin or pocket sized options.Forget about stainless slides or manual safteys.Forget buying one new under $500.And get used to seeing the same gun over and over that just looks like a tool with no personality.

What im saying is there are many lines of guns and many makers,all have people that like or hate them.The reason it is that way is that no one gun fits a persons needs or wants.
Why you think people own more than 1 gun? And not saying because they just like them,its that no one does everything perfectly.

So in saying that sit down and think about a few things like:
What caliber you want/need?
Will it be carried as a ccw constantly or be a bedside HD gun.
What options do you want it to have,like a manual safety or decocker or a SA or DA.
Paper or plastic....eer i mean metal?
Would you be happier if you could get one for $400 or if needed can you spend $800.

BTW buy what you need,not what name is on it.

W L Johnson
August 5, 2009, 05:54 PM
I don't think I will get it. I don't want a problem if I ever needed it for self defence. Does anyone know of pistol under $600 thats good?

If you are looking for something under $600 that is 100% 100% of the time, it doesn't exist. Not under $1,000, not under $5,000, not under $1,000,000. If you don't want a problem, don't buy a gun. Not trying to insult anyone, but there has been, always will be DOA. Even if the DOA rate was as low as 1% (which is pretty darn low) the problem postings will still out number the good postings by something like 100 to 1.

m2steven
August 5, 2009, 08:32 PM
The Glock 26 is under 600 and is about the same height and width as the 709, but it's quite a bit fatter and less comfortable to wear. It's about as close to 100 percent as an automatic can get.

The Walther PPS is another slim sub-compact, but it apparently likes particular brands of ammo, but is pretty much 100 percent with that ammo.

I've seen it for 560 to 660 bucks at local stores.

I would trust my life with my Glock and do often. The problem I had with my 709 is easily fixable in a pinch by simply ejecting the cartridge and continuing firing. Hopefully when it gets back from Taurus, it will be very reliable. Normally, most all 9mm autos are reliable when they are clean and lightly oiled. There are literally tons of pistols under 600.00 which are basically 100 percent, especially after you test various brands of ammo.

m2steven
August 5, 2009, 08:40 PM
I think W L Johnson makes a good point. If you're going to have a problem early, find out and get it fixed early. If you get 500 trouble free rounds out of a new weapon, you've got a good one. Then you find out what wears out first in these guns and do prudent parts replacement. I saw a 1911 of some make today for 550 (it was a Colt I think, or Springfield Armory). I'm sure it's reliable, and it was not too large to carry. The best piece of advice I can give you is to get the smallest, best pistol you can find. You'll carry it more often and a gun in the car or at home will get you killed. I'd feel much safer with my problematic 709 than without it.

I just picked up a beautiful, reliable CZ 83 - 380 for less than 450. It will shoot the eyes out of a squirrel at 100 yards. You might want to consider it. It has a 12 round double stack magazine and has an incredible trigger. I had a stovepipe with it (first 200 rounds), but I was rapid firing it with the cheapest Monarch steel case ammo I could find. I'd trust it, it took about a second and a half to fix that problem.

W L Johnson
August 5, 2009, 08:57 PM
I just picked up a beautiful, reliable CZ 83

Does CZ make anything else but beautiful guns? They may have been crude in the past but just about everything they make now is about as beautiful as a gun get get. And the price has gone up too, way up:mad:

cmfireman
August 5, 2009, 09:39 PM
Just so you guys know, I'm the guy that owns the Taurus with the bad extractor and I have no different feeling about Taurus guns than before I shot it.

Crap happens. I got excited and didn't look over the gun thoroughly enough. I'm not sure if Taurus test fired it or not but they missed the problem.

No big deal. I'll send it back and I'm sure they'll get it right, and until then I'll just carry my big honkin' P89 around.

You are going to have some rate of failure with a precision mechanism such as a handgun, and the less you pay, the greater the chance of getting on of the bad ones.

If Taurus had the Quality Control of Glock or Springfield, they wouldn't be nearly as afordable.

hoghead
August 5, 2009, 11:11 PM
I think the 709 is much easier to conceal and slimmer than a G26

pktrkt
August 6, 2009, 04:11 AM
Just purchased the 709 yesterday. I also have the KT-PF9, and have or currently own many small frame CCW type pistols. Fired right at 100 rounds of mixed ammo thru the 709 and the only problem I had was with the 2nd round of CCI shotshells. I know shotshells are unreliable in every semi-auto pistol I've shot them in but I just wanted to see what would happen as I was trying to make the 709 jam. 709 fired five trouble free shotshell rounds after that. I'm not knocking Kahr pistols but I paid about 600+ for one and after 200 rounds gave up on it because of jams. The 709 is definately a 'keeper' for me. My Glock 27 rides with me in the winter but the 709 will probably replace my S&W 60 for summer carry.

m2steven
August 6, 2009, 10:01 AM
W L : as far as I can tell, CZ makes the most beautiful pistols out there now. I never noticed it until I held one of those lovely powder coated black 75b's. It's stunning. I decided upon the stainless 75b, but it's difficult to make a decision when everything is so darned pretty. The 83 is one of the lovliest pistols made. It's thick handle and beautiful nickel plating just makes me want to hold it and admire it. They both shoot beautifully. Once you get used to the shorter sight radius of the 83, it's super accurate. It's heavy, but I like that.

W L Johnson
August 6, 2009, 11:40 AM
I felt the same way about a stainless 75b, so I bought it. :) Right now I am tring to come up with the funds for a 75D PCR, but buying the 709, which is better for CCW, took a bite out of those funds. The 83 is on my wish list. I am looking to get some wood grips for the 75, I love the look of stainless and wood.

schmeky
August 6, 2009, 12:26 PM
m2stven,

I have to agree with your CZ comment. I have several CZ's and just picked up a CZ-83 last week, but still haven't fired it, yet.

It is very well made, beautiful in fact. It's the nickel plated version.

Cards81fan
August 6, 2009, 12:46 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the "Slim" etched into the side of the slide looks goofy?

alexcort88
August 7, 2009, 02:48 AM
Im the other guy M2stven was talking about about having light fire strike issues. I've put almost 200 rounds through it and had more than half with issues. The first day all i had was Blazer AL and it jammed almost every time. The casings would actually buldge up in the same location and would get stuck in the barrel so I'd have to punch it out with a screwdriver or shake it loose. I finally found some brass ammo but still had 2 misfires with PMC Bronze and i dont think it was the ammo because the primer was barely dented. The range gunsmith thought the barrel might not be the correct size.
But besides that the gun seems like it would be a good CCW. I carried it in an IWB holster in the small of my back which was the most comfortable place for me. I live in texas so it'd be impossible to conceal a glock. This gun fit really flat in a short and t-shirt. I wear cargo shorts and the gun barely fits but it does fit if you have big pockets. Taurus has a great customer service and they picked it up the next day. They said it'd take 5-6 weeks so i should have it by the end of the month. Im not worried about it because i still have to wait about 10 more weeks till i get my CHL so i cant carry it anyways. And if i need a pistol, I still have my XDm40 which has been an awesome gun i bought at a gun show. I knew there was a gamble in buying a new model but i just couldnt wait for people's reviews haha. I've seen plenty of good reviews about the gun shooting so im sure my issue can be fixed.

KewToo
August 14, 2009, 08:05 PM
I have been a collector for years. Aside of just plain liking guns, I have lately been on a mission to find the Best carry (for me). Carried a WW2 vintage .380 Belgian Browning back when I wore suits. Lately, I have carried nines.
Recently purchased two pistols: Walther PPS.40 and Taurus Mill-Pro (PT111) 9mm (12+1). I'll just say the Walther is superior; have put 500 round through it with amazing accuracy and NO problems at all. The Taurus Mill-Pro-9 has good bones - better than average accuracy at 15 yards - good balance for a shortie. Big negative: mag release is in a BAD place - right under my thumb; and the button/retainer spring is insufficient to hold the mag when shooting (now, this is my gun-- don't know if it applies to all). It's a bit unnerving to have the gun go "snap" and feel the mag hit your foot!
Forgive me for being long-winded, I do have a destination with this.
I have held a Taurus 709. Not comparing price, it is similar to the Walther in several respects (and the "baby" McGlock). I am going to sell the Mill-Pro-111. Thought of replacing is with the "709". Compare/Contrast info (so far) is nonexistent. I like the attitude on this weblog, and thank everyone for allowing me to join. Your thoughts are expected. Best regards-- I'll be back :cool

jimpro
August 17, 2009, 04:16 PM
are you kidding...... ? Ruger makes a lot under $600, as does Taurus, as does Berretta for that matter, as does FN, and Smith and Wesson, and CZ..... you could write volumes on great guns for under $600.

wally
August 17, 2009, 04:39 PM
So today I called Taurus, they called Fed Ex, and within 2 hours they had a fed-ex guy at my door with a box and label - prepaid

Wow! That would seem to be a big improvement over past Taurus warrenty stories. Turn-around time will really tell the tale.

I saw the 709 at last Saturday's gun show, seemed pretty good gun for ~$350 they were asking, but I was looking for alternate caliber AR uppers, picked up a 9mm and 5.7x28.

--wally.

jimpro
August 17, 2009, 04:42 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the "Slim" etched into the side of the slide looks goofy?
I think it's a great looking little gun.....slim and all....

wpbgary
October 15, 2009, 09:04 PM
I bought the Taurus 709 a month ago in stainless steel black. Great looking gun and conceals nicely. For having big hands, I was surprised how well it felt in my grip. On the first day of shooting it, had some bad luck. On the 20th shot, the gun appeared jammed. Upon investigation, I found that the reason it jammed was because the spring mechanism broke. Not the spring itself, but the round metal lip that holds the larger spring at tension. I was a bit disappointed as you could imagine. I took it back to the place of purchase and they were nice enough to swap out the spring mechanism from another new 709 they had, so it was back to the range to finish up my ammo. I like the way the gun shoots, nice recoil, decent accuracy. But before I finished shooting 100 rounds, I had 3 times where the slide would stay open and not feed the last round. This seemed to happen with the same magazine each time. Also, I noticed that the main screw on the spring mechanism was almost all the way backed out. A few more shots and it would have fallen out and disassembled the springs completely.

After cleaning the gun, I used some medium strength Loctite to keep that screw in place. I then checked out the magazine that I suspected was causing the failure to feed the last round (which seems to be a common problem from what I understand). Sure enough, the yellow plastic pusher was binding on the way up a little bit after I pushed down on it. I ended up using the handle end of some pliers to reshape the inner walls of the magazine so that the yellow plastic pusher moved freely. These magazines are thin and can get out of shape easy if hit or pressed the wrong way.

So I think I worked out the bugs on this gun. I still need to go to the range to test it out and to rebuild my confidence in this gun, and then I'll use it as a carry. I really want this gun to work out.

wpbgary
October 16, 2009, 09:51 PM
Finally went to the range today. Good news, shot 150 rounds with no problems. It looks like I worked those bugs out after all. Especially the magazine issue. My confidence is restored in this gun.

Questions to the experts: I guess I never noticed this before with autos, but does this look like a normal spent casing? (see pics) I thought the dimple was supposed to be perfectly round, like when fired from a revolver. This looks like the fire pin was still in the primer as the casing was being ejected, causing that side mark.

Thx.

m2steven
October 16, 2009, 11:34 PM
I really enjoy shooting my 709. The recoil is not unpleasant and actually gives the gun a real character. It's comfortable and since i've had it back from Taurus - it's been perfect.

I got my Judge back from Taurus today. Same 4 week turnaround. It's perfect now if it won't unscrew itself this time. I'll let everyone know if it will shoot more than 20 shells before it falls apart. I'm still impressed with the overall quality of the materials used in the gun. It's a "honey".

m2steven
October 16, 2009, 11:37 PM
wpbgary: Did you try to fire the cartridge twice? I got those 'double' prints when i struck them a second time trying to get them to fire.

swmp9jrm
October 17, 2009, 11:39 AM
Questions to the experts: I guess I never noticed this before with autos, but does this look like a normal spent casing

The spent casings from my 709 look just like this.

putteral
October 17, 2009, 11:49 AM
Primer swipe is totally normal in striker fired guns. My 24/7 Pro 45 and PT111 Mill Pro do the same thing. My friends Glock also does it too.

donato
October 17, 2009, 06:20 PM
Attended a Taurus factory sale at a local gun shop yesterday (Taurus president, Bob Morrison in attendance). Got a chance to shoot the "Slim" at the indoor range. I was only able to shoot one mag (7 rounds), but was very impressed with this gun: Very surprised at how accurate it was; very impressed with the trigger pull - some take up required (which I'm quite used to), but crisp in breakover (I liked it a lot); recoil must have been easy because I didn't think about it; the grip felt a bit small compared to my regular compact sized 9mm, but I handled it well as evidenced by accuracy I achieved; no malfunctions (only 7 rounds).

I think I need this gun. Really, it's quite impressive to shoot.

Sauer Grapes
October 17, 2009, 06:46 PM
Well, let me see, bought the gun on Saturday, shot it on Sunday, sent it back to Taurus on Tuesday. Yeah that sums up my experience with the 709.
They may even send it back to me fixed, someday.

donato
October 17, 2009, 09:04 PM
Grapes,

What went wrong with your 709??

wpbgary
October 17, 2009, 09:10 PM
Thanks for the info, I'm glad that's normal. Yeah, that marking on the primer is just from one trigger pull, not two. Sounds like primer swipe is ok in auto's. Thx.

Hey Sauer Grapes, what did your 709 do that you had to send it back to Taurus?

donato
October 18, 2009, 12:01 AM
Hey Sauer Grapes, what did your 709 do that you had to send it back to Taurus?

Yeah that's what I'd like to know. Glad you asked that question.

m2steven
October 31, 2009, 01:47 AM
I'd like to say that since I've go my pistol returned from Taurus to have a 'light strike' problem fixed, and after putting probably 500 through it, I can say it's 100 percent reliable and a joy to shoot. Mine is approx as accurate as my Kahr E9 or any other pistol I have. It pretty much hits where I aim it. It's really fun to shoot (a huge plus), is not fatiguing, conceals well, and appears to be quite rugged. I'm going to give it a definite buy now. I think this little gun is a winner.

106rr
October 31, 2009, 05:29 AM
I fired one at an indoor range. The trigger pull was long and smooth with a long reset like a KelTec. The 709 was better finished than a KelTec and looked nicer. I liked the gun and thought it would conceal well. The example I fired would not shoot to the point of aim and it was pretty far off low and left. We all fired it to the same POI.

m2steven
October 31, 2009, 10:04 AM
I think a lot of models come with the sights out of adjustment. My CZ75 had to be adjusted , for my eyes and hand anyway. My Slim is quite accurate.

AJChenMPH
October 31, 2009, 12:35 PM
I'm about 99.9% sold on getting one at this point.

Also, I noticed that the main screw on the spring mechanism was almost all the way backed out. A few more shots and it would have fallen out and disassembled the springs completely.

After cleaning the gun, I used some medium strength Loctite to keep that screw in place.
Sorry, newb question time: could you (or anyone else) post some pics of said spring and show where it's located? Once I get one, I'll look for that spring to work itself loose and Loctite as necessary. Thanks in advance...

GABulldog
August 23, 2012, 08:17 AM
Because this old thread shows up at the top when I google Taurus PT709, I wanted to reply. I own it. It is a great gun. It shoots very well, I have never experienced a jam with it in several hundred rounds. Great CCW.

gamestalker
August 23, 2012, 08:44 AM
I have a number of Taurus's and all function flawlessly and quite accurately, the 709 included. I also have a PT-111 in my collection and like it just as much in every regard. I load and shoot stout jacketed HS6 and Longshot reloads though them all and have had zero FTF's, cycling issues, or any other concerns after hundreds of rounds put through each of them.

I don't ever shoot any factory through any of my firearms though, so I can't offer any feed back regarding factory ammunition.

GS

gggman
August 23, 2012, 11:15 AM
I have had a 709 slim for my daily carry since dec. 2010, and have put approx. 800 rds of various ammo through it, including bulk federal and winchester hardball, hornady and winchester hollow points, and plenty of my own handloads. It has been 100% reliable. Accuracy for self defense is acceptable. The trigger pull on mine has gone from 7.5 lbs. when new, down to 4.75 lbs. now. As I said, it's got around 800 rds. through it, and I've dry fired it probably another 300 times. I carry it IWB at 4:00 in a Bianchi #6D-10A with the snap flap cut off. I've carried it daily for 12+ hours a day for better than a year and a half, and have had no issues. I've carried a 1911, a Glock, a Ruger SP101, and a couple different smith revolvers, but I've never carried a gun that is so comfortable and easily concealable as the Taurus Slim. I love mine.

JR47
August 23, 2012, 03:44 PM
Bought the Blued version. Put over 700 rounds through it so far. Zero problems, and haven't had to tweak anything. That includes various FMJ, JHP, and +p and +P+ rounds.

Keep it clean, and properly lubed, and it will be fine. Mine will shoot into 2.75" @ 25 yards, bench-rested. :)

thefish
August 23, 2012, 06:09 PM
I recently picked up a used 709 slim in stainless. 2010 model. Shot 100 rounds through it without a problem. I had one FTE after shooting 50 rounds, I'm guessing due to the fact that it was dirty. Shoots great and conceals well in a desantis softtuc. It does shoot low and left, but since it groups, i'm thinking it's me, as it is the smallest handgun I have and it's still a new shooter to me. I'm thinking of buying a second. At $250 out the door, I could buy 2 and be ahead on the M&P Shield I was waiting for.
Great little pistol.

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