The ClemBert Pin


August 4, 2009, 09:32 PM
I thought I'd share a post I made in another black powder forum. For all you Ruger Old Army owners let me introduce you to the ClemBert Pin.

The one thing I don't like about the Ruger Old Army is the base pin retaining pin design that requires you to use a slotted screw driver or something flat like a penny to turn the retaining pin. It is impossible to apply enough finger pressure to turn it. For the most part this isn't a big deal. After all, who is going to need the convenience of turning that thing in the field using just your fingers. Clearly, though, when you talk about having the ability to change out cylinders in the field I can definitely see the advantage of not having to use a tool to turn that retaining pin. Who wants to fumble with a penny or screw driver in the field? Not me! This is one of the advantages that the 1858 Remmy design has over the ROA in my opinion.

I decided not long after buying my first ROA that I wanted to shoot 45 Colt black powder cartridges from it. To do this, as most people know, you need a conversion cylinder to allow for shooting cartridge ammo. To load and reload a conversion cylinder you have to remove the cylinder from the frame each and every time after going BANG-BANG six times. The last thing I want to do is fumble for a screw driver every time I want to pull out the cylinder or put it back in. Murphy's law will tell you that screw driver will disappear in no time flat. As they say, "necessity is the mother of invention". So into ClemBert's Frankenstein lab I went to solve the problem. I just crawled out of the lab with my new invention. The "screwdriverless ROA base pin retaining pin", now known as a "ClemBert pin". Without further adieu here it is:
I purchased a spare ROA stainless steel base pin retaining pin from MidwayUSA. I ground the tip flat then soldered a big ol' giganto stainless steel washer to it. I used a high silver content solder and a propane torch. This is a first pass pic of it. Purty, ain't it?
Then I proceeded to chop up that washer and grind and file and polish that sucker until I had something that would fit my fat fingers. Here's a pic of the new invention next to an original ROA retaining pin.
This is what it looks like installed. That's a stainless steel Belt Mountain base pin with the knurled end.
Another closeup pic. Yes, those are special tracer rounds installed in the cylinder....j/k....those are dummy snap caps....hehehehe.
This pic shows it rotated to allow the base pin to slide out. It takes very little effort to turn it.
Finally, a pic showing my 45 Colt conversion cylinder installed complete with the ClemBert pin. Note the other original cylinder parts in the background.

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August 4, 2009, 09:38 PM
very nice

Das Jaeger
August 4, 2009, 09:50 PM
and looks functional , and pretty , purposeful and sanitary too , bonus . :D
If Bill was still alive you could have possibly talked him into this one as current production . Although you and I both know he's grinnin at ya right about now anyway :) .............

Das Jaeger

August 4, 2009, 09:50 PM
"after going BANG-BANG six times"

Uhhh...? Wouldn't bang-bang times six equal 12? :neener: Nice lookin' pin ! Now, when ya wanna stuff that sweet rig in a holster... consider ClemBert pin part deux... a ring through a hole in a built up button... so that when not being "turned" will lay flat.

Now... if'n ya really wanna git fancy... create a "home" for your ring type pin into the butt of your pistola and let it be a lanyard attachment point... then when you swap out to convert to your cartridge shooting cylinder... the OEM pin can swap places with your little hotrod pin. Dont'cha just love it when folk start playin' with yer creative juices. Just don't think about how to make it all happen while trying to sleep tonight. :evil:

VERY nice/clean pistola there BTW !!! :D

August 4, 2009, 09:55 PM
Clembert real nice job on the ROA Cylinder Pin Screw...
In answer to your first question both my ROAs I can turn with finger pressure to remove the cylinder pins ... I fire them two ways sometimes jus' the Cylinder pin in the ROA with the levere removed and turn the screw, or I shoot um with the loadin' lever and cyl. pin assembled leaving the screw in the open position and jus' let the latched lever hold the picly. pin in for .45Colt R&D cyl. reloading or if I'm usin' my Triple P loader with the C&B cyl.

But I like your is it for fast draw? (holster use :O)
I'm guessin' as long as you keep the protruding key lower than the surface of the cylinder it presents no problem.

A big +1 for you Clembert ;O)

August 4, 2009, 09:56 PM
LOL, RatDog...yes, everyone is a critic. :cuss: Its not like I was about to mass produce ClemBert pins for everyone's enjoyment (or complaints). ;)
Uhhh...? Wouldn't bang-bang times six equal 12?

Naw, my primer goes BANG first....then the main charge goes BANG. RatDog, you just need to listen more carefully (and quickly) when you pull the trigger. :neener:

August 4, 2009, 09:58 PM
LMAO !!! Well... keep yer powder more dry then. :neener:

August 4, 2009, 10:00 PM
Smokin Gun, with my fat fingers and lube everywhere there's no way mine will turn with finger pressure. Maybe I need to break it in more. :D

I'm not sure if it would be a holster problem or not. I guess I need to get a holster and practice my quick (or not so quick) draw. It stick out less than 1/4 inch beyond the normal screw head. It looks like the cylinder is at least another 1/4 inch beyond that.

August 4, 2009, 10:10 PM
That'll work jus' fine in a Holster then...

August 4, 2009, 10:27 PM
Clembert.....GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE....FOR DIFFERENT PISTOLS! The Rogers and Spencer has the same problem of turning a small screw to remove the cylinder. The difference is that it has to rotate to exactly the right place without a stop or guide. Here's what I came up with, very similar to your's, but I had to include a stop pin.

August 4, 2009, 10:58 PM
sltm1, yup with minds like ours everyone better watch their P's and Q's...LOL! :what: Anyhow, that is a cool get up ya got. The ROA has that spring loaded ball bearing in the retaining pin as you can see from the pictures. On the opposite side of the ROA there are two "detents" that the ball sits in. When you turn the retaining pin you can feel it drop into the detents. That way you know you have it lined up (you probably already knew that though). I like that low profile your's has.

Das Jaeger
August 5, 2009, 07:07 AM
Kinda ironic and moronic that after 150 years of doing it right to start with on the Spiller and Burr , we as in "Ruger" still have yet to learn how to produce these kinda like repro guns with your great invention right from the factory ? Especaily on the Hysterically inaccurate ROA . Why they never did it right on that gun like your pin I will never understand ? You could add Dingle-Balls to the ROA and still be just as Hysterically innacurate , so why not make it work too with a ClemBert pin ? And now, it will never happen since Ruger licks dirt and slapped Bill in his face anyways . :banghead:

Go figure ? At least one gun in History had the right idea to start with !

Das Jaeger

August 5, 2009, 08:49 AM
Go figure ? At least one gun in History had the right idea to start with !

Most originals S&B's I have photo's of have a screw slot, not the clembert pin. Who the hell they think they are? Infringing on clemberts patient.

August 5, 2009, 10:55 AM
Madcratebuilder, I love your signature! Thanks.

Das Jaeger
August 5, 2009, 12:22 PM
you say most have the screw . But some did not , they had simular Clembert screws , seen um myself .
I am guessin Clembert is 151 years old now and Spiller and Burr hacked his patent :D Hee hee hee , yup .
Either way thats some fine machinist work for a 151 year old guy , yup . :D

Das Jaeger

August 5, 2009, 12:25 PM
Jaeger...story of my life. A day (151 years) and a dollar short....:banghead:

October 24, 2009, 12:38 AM
I am still waiting for Clembert to offer a limited run of his pins-
I have thought of it but haven't found the time or patience to even attempt it and surely not do it as well.

October 26, 2009, 06:33 PM
I'm afraid you are gonna be waiting a long time. :neener:

Sorry, my soldering skills just aren't that great. It took a while to get that first ClemBert Pin made.

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