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THE GUESS WHO
August 5, 2009, 06:23 PM
I have my eye on this one. WOW !

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=135715306

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KyJim
August 5, 2009, 06:58 PM
Invalid link.

Big Daddy Grim
August 5, 2009, 06:59 PM
Could not see nothing

bigfatdave
August 5, 2009, 07:15 PM
That link appears to go nowhere.

3rdChance
August 5, 2009, 07:22 PM
I believe this is the correct link: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=135715306

Scratchy
August 5, 2009, 07:38 PM
Good gun but you could get better for $650

armchairQB
August 5, 2009, 07:42 PM
Very good gun that you could get for 350-400. Wouldnt be new in box but who cares.

Coyote3855
August 6, 2009, 10:07 AM
Great gun (I have one in stainless). Too much money.

DMZ
August 6, 2009, 10:28 AM
Does not appear to be NIB either.

THE GUESS WHO
August 6, 2009, 10:57 AM
Can you tell me why you do not think its new in the box ? I emailed Fugate Firearms about the gun and was assured it was new unfired in the box and they stated they would honor a three day inspection. I am thinking of pulling the trigger on the auction, does anyone know where I can get one cheaper ? I like the gun and Fugate has a great rating on gunbroker so that makes me feel good about the deal. Please any input would be helpful. I would like to save a few bucks if someone can lead me to another one,, I need it to be new in the box if possible. Does anyone know if this gun is considered Rare ? I just dont see any around the gunshops.

Steve C
August 6, 2009, 12:17 PM
Does anyone know if this gun is considered Rare ? I just dont see any around the gunshops.

Ruger hasn't manufactured the security six/speed six pistols since 1988 which is why you don't see many in the gun shops but you do see them at gun shows and pawn shops. The gun isn't particularly rare. They where a moderate priced pistol when manufactured and the speed six models didn't have adjustable sights like the security six models did. While a good gun, there is little reason to pay over $300 for one IMO. As for being "new in box" I'd doubt that any 21+ year old pistol can be considered new since they've in all likelihood been previously owned. It may have been put away and left unfired and to someone that may be worth 2X the going price, after all there's a sucker born every minute.

Dravur
August 6, 2009, 02:03 PM
Yeah, if you use the buy it now price of $650, it better come with candles, a nice meal and some Vaseline.

Brian Williams
August 6, 2009, 02:28 PM
Just do a search here and at S&W forums for Fugate prior to you buying that gun.
With a scratch on the recoil shield like that it has been opened and closed quite a bit.

DMZ
August 6, 2009, 02:33 PM
Just do a search here and at S&W forums for Fugate prior to you buying that gun.
With a scratch on the recoil shield like that it has been opened and closed quite a bit.

Yes, that and there is just a trace of a cylinder ring on the side of the cylinder and a trace (if you look close) of a carbon ring on the cylinder face.

Geezer Glide
August 6, 2009, 07:57 PM
The Speed Six is a good, strong revolver. Yes, they haven't been made for several years and you don't see too many for sale. A lot of people have started buying these up now. The price may be a little high to some people but you are the one buying. If it's what you want and you think the price is OK, go for it.

Cosmoline
August 6, 2009, 08:17 PM
One of the best CCW pieces ever made. Like an improved K frame magnum. I love mine. But that price would be more appropriate for one of the rare subtypes, not the standard .357. You can get those for $350 to $400 pretty easily. I found mine for $150 and gave the guy an extra fifty.

I would like to save a few bucks if someone can lead me to another one,, I need it to be new in the box if possible.

Do a search for "speed six" on GB and there's a bunch of them that come and go. Just keep a daily check on it for a few weeks and you'll get one for a good price. If you're absolutely determined to get NIB right now you will have to shop around more, but NIB means nothing for these wheelguns. You have to work real hard to seriously injure any of the Six line.

And if you decide to get that overpriced one, no worries. It's only money and it's an extremely nice piece. If I were to put an inherent, intrinsic value on mine it would be in that range or higher. I would not trade it for a mint Python.

JohnBT
August 6, 2009, 08:36 PM
I would. Anybody?

I love my 4" blue Police Service-Six, but I like my Pythons too.

John

welldoya
August 6, 2009, 11:54 PM
John Fugate searches all the forums and buys a lot of guns. He's got some pretty nice guns for sale but they are all high. Like the mod said , take a look at the S&W forum. He had some problems over there.
If I'm not mistaken he bought two of those Rugers at the same time on either this forum or the Ruger forum. Can't remember the price but it wasn't anywhere near $650 each.

stoveboltgunnut
August 6, 2009, 11:59 PM
reserve not met. High bid was $300. If you ask me, that is about all it is worth! It is listed again. Still BIN at $650.

wep45
August 7, 2009, 12:28 AM
the price for this is too high. you can do better. fugate usually as a high price on their offerings. buyer beware.

Walkalong
August 7, 2009, 07:21 AM
Look elsewhere. As stated, Fugate is historically high and over rates guns. It is an excellent gun that you can get used but in great shape much cheaper if you are patient. Don't rule out a Security Six either. Great guns as well.

Wishoot
August 7, 2009, 07:51 AM
I recently purchased a Security Six in excellent shape for $299. I'm positive you can get a better deal somewhere else.

Geezer Glide
August 7, 2009, 08:52 AM
I have noticed that people do not like John Fugate because he gets high prices for his guns. He only deals in VERY nice guns and these guns will bring a premium price. I have never bought anything from him so I can't comment from experience. With over 1700 transactions on Gunbroker, he must be doing something right.

NGIB
August 7, 2009, 08:57 AM
There's also the adage of "a sucker born every minute".

I wouldn't buy a gun from this fella ever. He buys low, overstates the condition, and sells high. Do a search on nearly every gun forum and you'll find the same story about this guy...

rbernie
August 7, 2009, 09:01 AM
I have noticed that people do not like John Fugate because he gets high prices for his guns. He only deals in VERY nice guns and these guns will bring a premium price. If you search around, you'll likely find more than few folk who think that the Fugate condition ratings are overly inflated.

The Fugate business model, according to several gun forums, seems to be to buy average guns and sell them at high prices under the premise that the guns are somehow super-clean and super-nice. In many cases, the buyer is too naive to know that they just threw a lot of money away for no good purpose. The Fugates also seem to have a behavior pattern of getting very in-your-face about any complaints; they have been escorted off several forums for this kind of behavior. I would likely never buy a Fugate firearm simply because I would not want to have to contend with their 'customer service' attitude.

If they have what you want and you think the price is fair - buy it. In most cases, you can likely find better for far less.

Six
August 7, 2009, 09:15 AM
First, yes, it is a good gun.

Secondly, it's not new. No gun that is "new" has a noticeable turn line, and that many scratches from opening, closing, and turning. Maybe it's unfired, but hardly "new". I'd like to see a picture of the forcing cone area though.

Thirdly, it's overpriced. I'd pay maybe $400-425 for that condition gun, it's nice, but not spectacular.

Fourthly, I would not buy a gun from Fugate, no matter the price.

There are several threads in various forums about guns being sold in mint/new/like new condition, and when the buyer took possession it turned out it was nothing of the sort and Fugate refused to acknowledge a problem. Google the name Fugate Firearms for yourself and spend a bit of time reading up on their business practices.

Maybe you're OK with taking a chance because this is what you want, I refuse to support their behavior.

Regardless, I still think you can find a nicer Ruger for the same or less money.

Cosmoline
August 7, 2009, 12:45 PM
I recently purchased a Security Six in excellent shape for $299. I'm positive you can get a better deal somewhere else.

There's a difference between the Security and the Speed.

krs
August 8, 2009, 10:54 AM
It might not be a bad guess to guess that the new member "THE GUESS WHO" might be a Fugate employee, or John Fugate himself.

In other words .........is this a shill posting, or what?

THE GUESS WHO
August 9, 2009, 02:10 AM
Well after much consideration I think I will may go with a Colt trooper I found local.

THE GUESS WHO
August 9, 2009, 11:14 AM
I picked up a gp100 Ruger a couple days ago, Nice gun but I wish I would have bought the first Ruger I saw on Fugates site. The gp 100 is ok, but my heart was set on the older new in the box blue gun. I have spent my money for this month and find myself with a nice gun, but I setteled for less than what I really wanted. I have learned one thing,, go with your gut and do not compromise. I am going back after the blue gun when I can afford it and hopefully it will still be availible. I found a Colt trooper local and sat on the fence about it for a couple days, but after sleeping on it, I have decided against it. The price is right, but condition is less than what I like. Gun collecting is somewhat mind boggling and stressful. So many options So many nice guns and never enough money.

BushyGuy
August 9, 2009, 11:25 AM
not a bad gun but i rather go for the Gp-100 or the GP-101 , they are alot better int he long run and hold their value better..

THE GUESS WHO
August 9, 2009, 09:22 PM
I emailed Fugate on the Ruger again, he offered to let me layaway it at no charge. Now a search for the down payment. Does anyone want to buy a Calloway Driver and a set of ping eye 2 irons ?

savit260
August 9, 2009, 10:08 PM
The $300 high bid seems to be more in line with what a Speed Six should go for. Great gun, but not for Buy it Now price. That one looks to be in pretty good shape, but still priced somewhere between absurd and rediculous. Speed Sixes don't go for that much around here.



I literaly laughed out loud when I saw the $650 price tag.

THE GUESS WHO
August 9, 2009, 11:28 PM
I know 650.00 seems high but where can a find another one new in the box. I like the blue speed six over the stainless security six but having a difficult time locating one. I dont have the money at this time anyway.

Gelgoog
August 9, 2009, 11:58 PM
I will quote from another forum

They use a shill bidder on their auctions who goes by the name of cmannie. He bids until he's just below the reserve so that the next bidder meets the reserve. He was just outed on the S&W Forum as a shill bidder and wound up getting banned. He was probably the one that kept the Fugates informed on what was going on in the S&W Forum.

THE GUESS WHO
August 10, 2009, 11:28 AM
How do you join the Smith and Wesson forum ? Does it work like gunbroker. Does a shill buyer resell guns for higher proffit? I would like to check that out although I am not a big fan of Smith and Wesson revolvers. I will stick to my Rugers,,

Thank You

Dravur
August 10, 2009, 11:36 AM
Ok, Ill bite...The Guess Who is John Fugate.....

ill Guess that I am right.

Ill also venture a guess that if you aren't Fugate and you actually buy a gun from him, you had better pick up a tube of Preperation H cuz you is gonna be reamed, big time. no one who knows anything about guns would buy anything from the big JF.

I have never bought anything from him, never will and I am happy as a clam to give out that advice to anyone who will listen....


Oh, and if you re the big JF or one of his minions, well, the door is over there, don't let it hit you on the way out.

There ya go. Was that some great advertising for ya?

THE GUESS WHO
August 10, 2009, 11:41 AM
I beg your pardon Sir,My name is Pete. I am not affliated with John Fugate other than I visit his website time to time. He has a gun I would like to buy, but things are a little tight for me at the moment.

THE GUESS WHO
August 10, 2009, 11:45 AM
I am a native of Canada so I felt The Guess Who was just appropriate.

Bonne journée!

Lakeshore
August 10, 2009, 12:44 PM
FWIW Blue Book (29th ed.) on this gun at 100%/98% is $400/$300, respectively. I'm with the consensus opinion, it is a nice piece that I'd like to have but @ $400 would be the limit.

THE GUESS WHO
August 10, 2009, 01:47 PM
Thank You, 650.00 is more than I am willing to spend.

THE GUESS WHO
August 10, 2009, 02:59 PM
Does anyone know about this gun or its value ?
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Ruger-Speed-Six-357-Military-Packaging.cfm?gun_id=100066507

esq_stu
August 10, 2009, 03:14 PM
Speed Six is a great gun. But as the others said, there's a limit to what it's worth and the only thing worth a little extra IMO would be something more rare - particular markings, odd barrel length or caliber, etc. (Mine is in 9mm.) Otherwise, get a used one: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=136668762

THE GUESS WHO
August 10, 2009, 03:24 PM
I would like to have a blue speed six new in the box but for 860.00 I could probably get a Colt. Cabelas prices seem high to me. Why does their guns cost more than gunbroker.

Mike J
August 10, 2009, 04:20 PM
The Guess Who-I am not a collector but I know there is a member over at rugerforum.com that is a dealer. He sells a lot of older collectable rugers his name there is Flatgate maybe you should contact him. He might be able to give you a lead on something.

CajunBass
August 11, 2009, 05:38 PM
I had one of those years ago. I bought it NIB for about $175.00 or so if I remember correctly. Good gun. Darn good gun actually.

No way I'd pay $650.00 for one now.

Landpimp
August 11, 2009, 08:50 PM
there is a nice one for sale at the S&W forum for alot less, I have personaly seen the gun....I bought 5 from him.....or I would have grabed the snubby ruger....but I just went to buy 1 ;)

and yes Fugate......nuff said:cuss:

THE GUESS WHO
August 12, 2009, 11:25 AM
Edit

THE GUESS WHO
August 12, 2009, 11:49 AM
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Ruger-Speed-Six-357-Military-Packaging.cfm?gun_id=100066507

THE GUESS WHO
August 13, 2009, 09:03 AM
Can anyone tell me if gun in the link above is worth Cabelas asking price with lanyard loop or if loop is a factory option.
Thanks, Pete

Six
August 13, 2009, 09:30 AM
The first shot out the barrel after it leaves the factory will harm the value significantly. Handling it, dry firing it, turning the cylinder, anything at all that leaves a mark, harms the value.

If you want to actually shoot it, then buy a shooter grade Ruger for $300! You can have it refinished and tuned up for about $150.

You talk about valuable, I think that if you want to collect guns hoping they will increase in value over the years, unless you stumble across a true rare gem, I have a hard time seeing how buying a Ruger Six series revolver for $6-800 will pay off in the foreseeable future. You'll wait a loooong time before you get any kind of return on it.

And I say this as a fan of the series (Note my user name).

However, if you just want to own a "new" Speed Six, then as long as you can afford it, what does the price really matter? If owning it makes you happy, go for it.

rbernie
August 13, 2009, 09:54 AM
TGW - I am puzzled by your behavior. When we collectively tell you that the guns you're looking at are very overpriced, you bring more of the same and ask the same question again.

Why?

If you want to spend a metric buttload of money on a handgun that has special meaning to you - why ask us if it's a good deal? Just buy what you want and what makes you happy. On the other hand - why discount our advice that you're potentially lookin' to pay more than twice the market rate for a handgun if the handgun is NOT something special to you?

This thread just hurts my head.

THE GUESS WHO
August 13, 2009, 10:27 AM
Rbernie,

You are so correct, I need to get my head out of my but.

THE GUESS WHO
August 13, 2009, 10:32 AM
Quote "This thread just hurts my head".


Me Too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for all the advise and close this thread before I lose anymore sleep !!:banghead:

Six
August 13, 2009, 10:34 AM
The Fugate gun hasn't been sold by the looks of things as the reserve was not met.

I think most everything that needs to be said about Fugate and that particular gun has been said already, so if you really want it, their phone number is 270-703-7017.

http://fugatefirearms.com/shop/product.php?xProd=3333

Good luck.

THE GUESS WHO
August 13, 2009, 10:49 AM
Thank You for the number,, I will give them a call.

Pete

THE GUESS WHO
August 13, 2009, 11:29 AM
Six,

Appreciate the help

Pete

Werewolf
August 13, 2009, 12:55 PM
Six,

I just got off the phone with John Fugate at Fugate Arms and he stated gun was no longer available. He put me in their data base for the next one he finds. He stated this particular Ruger is hard to find in new condition but not to be considered rare. Thank You for the phone number.

Pete

What part of THAT GUN ISN'T IN NEW CONDITION don't you understand?

You wouldn't happen to need one of these would ya. I can sell it to you for a really good price.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3144/2680974670_42ab6d55c8.jpg

THE GUESS WHO
August 13, 2009, 01:18 PM
Ha Ha,, very funny. I dont need a bridge :confused:. I need a Speed Six,,

THE GUESS WHO
August 13, 2009, 01:49 PM
I almost bid on this then realized the barrel is too long,,:what:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=136593877

Dr_2_B
August 15, 2009, 11:44 PM
nice looking revolver tho

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