Is being a gun owner the new minority?


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Demitrios
August 6, 2009, 02:30 PM
I've been giving this some thought lately (just a warning if you're easily offended stop reading or just plain go away) but I've come to consider us gun owners as the new minority. If i remember my numbers correctly approximately 10% of America's population are gun owners, that's around 35,000,000 citizens. Now where I'm going with this is when I tell someone (I live in a blue state like NJ mind you) that I'm a gun owner and a shooter the first thing I'm met with is an odd look or a comment or some mild to not so mild response. The few times I've mentioned the fact that I'm a gun owner to someone who's a L.E.O. they look at me like I'm a criminal. I almost feel like people are friendly with me until they know this aspect (more properly a passion) of my life, after which I'm almost perceived as a threat. Once given the chance though there's not one person I've spoken to, face to face, that hasn't at least comfortable with me owning a gun. If gun owners were a race, this would be racism at its finest. Does ayone else feel like this or have a similar point of view?

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LoneStarWings
August 6, 2009, 02:35 PM
10% of 300,000,000 is 30,000,000 (gun owners). You can solve your problem by just not mentioning your guns unless someone asks, I think. Here in TX however, I encounter more people who are gun enthusiasts or at least interested than those you describe.

NG VI
August 6, 2009, 02:37 PM
Yeah. Even in Maine being a gun owner is one of those things that is viewed as mostly for hunting, concealed carry isn't generally well liked here. A lawyer I saw yesterday (not for me) said something to the effect that if he is going to carry he would carry openly, so there is no problem. I don't think he fully understands the level of animosity people get for owning a gun at all, let alone carrying it regularly. Also, here owning or occasionally shooting is normal, but knowing more than what type of cartridge to put in your rifle or shotgun is odd or suspicious.

CoRoMo
August 6, 2009, 02:41 PM
How long ago was it that a MAJORITY of Americans owned guns?

Is there any state in the union that maintains a majority of residences who are gun owners?

Demitrios
August 6, 2009, 02:48 PM
I honestly couldn't tell you if there's a majority of gun holders in any state, but I used the word minority to get across the point that people are biased towards us.

CoRoMo
August 6, 2009, 02:54 PM
I didn't mean to hijack your thread, but those questions instantly popped into mind and I'd be interested to know the answer. I can't imagine the actual stats are anywhere to be found though, but who knows.

JKimball
August 6, 2009, 02:56 PM
I don't know, I get the impression that being a gun owner is becoming more common than it has been in recent years. And I also thought it was more like 50 or 60 million gun owners in the USA.

Can you clarify what you mean by this sentence:
Once given the chance though there's not one person I've spoken to, face to face, that hasn't at least comfortable with me owning a gun.

Generally, I believe that most Americans respect skill at arms. Even those that are prejudiced against gun owners, or "gun nuts" as they might see them, are probably more open to people that shoot competitively or hunt.

But I could see how in states like MA where they make it a pain to legally own a gun, let alone ccw, the gun culture could go underground and become a minority. Gun owners that aren't current on their license/registration dues aren't going to talk about their guns, so it will be perceived that very few people are gun owners.

ccsniper
August 6, 2009, 02:57 PM
well, in my part of Arkansas people without guns are in the minority. and I mean that literally.

MagnumDweeb
August 6, 2009, 02:58 PM
Depends where you are. In Florida it's county specific almost. I live in Seminole County and gun ownership is quite common in that three out of every ten people I talk to own firearms I'd say. The other seven tend to be interested in getting a firearm but just don't feel the need. Gun owners actually accounty for about 30% of the population on paper. And I know more than a few people who have only bought guns in private sales at gun shows. Orange County is more like Yankee territory and it's also got lots of poor areas with tons of crime. Most folks are from Chicago, Boston, New York City and have wild opinions on gun ownership that'd please Hitler plenty. Now if you go out to Volusia country you'll find the KKK, country folk types, and owning a gun is as common as owning a truck with four wheel drive.

The Wiry Irishman
August 6, 2009, 03:04 PM
If i remember my numbers correctly approximately 10% of America's population are gun owners, that's around 350,00 citizens

10% of 300,000,000 is 30,000,000 (gun owners)

I thought current estimates were ~80 million gun owners owning ~250 million guns.

Benzene
August 6, 2009, 03:04 PM
Why would I want to walk around telling people that I carry a CONCEALED gun and then act surprised if/when they give "an odd look"? Why should I be surprised if, by way of DISCUSSION, I issue a "a warning if you're easily offended stop reading or just plain go away"??? [I HAVE A CONCEALED GUN!!!!!:confused::uhoh:]

I think that people DO have varying opinions on ANYTHING - yes, including about GOD!!! Why should that FACT force me to lose my equanimity?

M2 Carbine
August 6, 2009, 03:05 PM
I live in a blue state like NJ mind you
It's got a lot to do with where you live.

Last year when I met the new neighbor lady, about the first thing she said to me was, "Are you the one that does all the shooting?"

I said, "That's me".

She said, "Will you teach me to shoot?"

This afternoon we are going to do some more shooting practice for her concealed carry license.

Kwanger
August 6, 2009, 03:11 PM
I must live in a very small world or something, but I have yet to meet anyone who has taken offence to the fact that I own guns.

bigalexe
August 6, 2009, 03:12 PM
Living in Michigan there are a good number of gun owners around and many people I talk to who don't own aren't offended, they are usually just indifferent but to a greater extent would be interested in learning to shoot and they just haven't got to in their life. There are a small number of people who have opposition to some or all guns (my mom once said "Handguns should be illegal, they aren't used for hunting and just kill people") but they are very few.

jnyork
August 6, 2009, 03:13 PM
Is there any state in the union that maintains a majority of residences who are gun owners?
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Wyoming for certain, probably at least 80%. Utah probably, along with Arizona and Idaho. Colorado a long time ago, but I doubt it now.

CoRoMo
August 6, 2009, 03:27 PM
I must live in a very small world or something, but I have yet to meet anyone who has taken offence to the fact that I own guns.

Or so you think... maybe.:scrutiny:

Sometimes when I talk about gun ownership to certain people, I wonder if they are simply, agreeably playing along, but when they get home, they tell their spouse, "Let me tell you about this nutjob I met today!".:D

Kwanger
August 6, 2009, 03:31 PM
Or so you think... maybe.:scrutiny:

Sometimes when I talk about gun ownership to certain people, I wonder if they are simply, agreeably playing along, but when they get home, they tell their spouse, "Let me tell you about this nutjob I met today!".:D
That is a possibility! :)

I mean, I've of course met and know people who don't like guns, but where the ownership issue has arisen, even with those, it's always been an 'each to their own' type thing.....to my knowledge at least, as you say!

Avenger29
August 6, 2009, 03:31 PM
Yeah, I think we are becoming a minority.

Just don't look for anybody to come and stick up for us, extort money on our behalf, or pass hate crimes legislation for our benefit.

bill in IN
August 6, 2009, 03:41 PM
I think it would take a lot to really sort out how many there are. Those under 18 cannot in most states, a lot of people have them in a closet and don't even think about them, and some people probably wouldn't admit for fear of retribution or robbery....

DHJenkins
August 6, 2009, 03:41 PM
Of the 300,000,000 Americans, how many are eligable to own a handgun based on age or criminal history?

BLACKHAWKNJ
August 6, 2009, 03:52 PM
If people don't like that I'm a gun owner, an NRA member, an advocate of the RKBA, too bad for them.

CWL
August 6, 2009, 04:07 PM
I doubt it. It is estimated that 45% of American households have a gun. There's about 260 million firearms in the USA and growing.

This is why there has been so much momentum with "shall issue" carry rights and recent court judgments regarding the right to own handguns.

Dems in both houses in DC fear putting their names on any "anti gun" legislation because they know they'll be voted-out come around election time.

Rather than complaining to fellow gunowners, spend a little more time being vocal to those outside this forum, and contact your local politicians to share your views.

qajaq59
August 6, 2009, 04:17 PM
I've lived in MA, CT, PA, and FL, but I can't think of anyone that ever displayed animosity toward me because I owned guns. However, I can think of a few that found other reasons !!! :evil:

Logos
August 6, 2009, 05:02 PM
I suspect strongly that there's a big difference between the average "gun owner" and the people who frequent this forum.

Huge difference.

Most here are a minority within a minority.

No offense intended and no negative judgment made......but we're different.

The usual people who hunt and fish are different from most Americans.....we of this forum (most of us) are MORE different.

hnk45acp
August 6, 2009, 05:17 PM
I don't know about being a minority but I've begun to call antis, bigots. They refuse to respect my civil rights so they are bigots pure and simple, They hate because they fear. It's similar to how minorities are treated

21bubba
August 6, 2009, 07:45 PM
When The number of guns and gun ownership are counted are "bad guys" guns included?

jmr40
August 6, 2009, 08:24 PM
Gun ownership is rising, not declining. In my area far more than half already own guns. I would say gun owners are the majority. The problem is that it is not a priority to many people. They do not vote with gun ownership in mind.

doc2rn
August 6, 2009, 08:50 PM
Our sport is on the decline because $ has risen above normal, and definately fewer people are getting hunting permits.

chris in va
August 6, 2009, 10:14 PM
I agree about the 'minority' monniker, mainly concerning OC/CC. While a rather large chunk of the US population owns a firearm of some sort, a small portion of those millions actually carries on their person, and an even SMALLER cut open carry.

Sometimes I feel like a minority would (not necessarily racial) when trying to open carry. Just because someone owns a 22 and shotgun doesn't mean they understand and sympathize with a person carrying for protection.

trigun87
August 6, 2009, 10:59 PM
I get a lot of the same responses but not from any leo's yet. You get worse looks when you are an minority, and a gun collector.

WLE
August 7, 2009, 12:03 AM
I agree it really does have alot to do with the area and state you live in. I applied for my permitt about a year ago, my permitt was mailed to me in 4 days after I applied. Ga. Unfortunatly I think it is the uneducated people that are for gun control. I grow up in Bucks Co. Pa. I was 12 years old when I had taken a hunters safty course. In high school we would bring our rifles to school for rifle club. No one ever was shot. I think more programs like these are important to engage people that gun don't kill.

datruth
August 7, 2009, 12:22 AM
I feel you one hundred and ten percent, As a man in his mid twenties, and black
you would not believe the looks and assumptions I get being a firearms enthusiast, I guess I dont fit the profile, but if being a black man and a gun lover is wrong, I dont want to be right,:p

JWF III
August 7, 2009, 12:47 AM
Is there any state in the union that maintains a majority of residences who are gun owners?
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Wyoming for certain, probably at least 80%. Utah probably, along with Arizona and Idaho. Colorado a long time ago, but I doubt it now.

I'd throw in quite a few of the Southeastern states as probable. Georgia would be close, but I think we'd still be in a slight minority statewide. There's a lot of gun hating liberals in Metro Atlanta. Miss., Alabama, SC, Ark., Louisianna, and Tenn. all have a lot of rural residents and very few, if any, large metropolitan areas. Granted this really doesn't mean a whole lot. But generally speaking it is very favorable for the gun owners side.

The road I live on (granted it is a gravel road, 15 miles from a small town and 20 miles from a big town, and 50 miles from ATL.), I'd be surprised if the non-gun owning houses totaled 10%. Everyone that I've personally talked to is a hunter (or a family member hunts). I hear shots almost nightly, and during hunting season, I hear multiple shots every mourning and afternoon.

Like others have said, it all has to do with your locale. The only strange reaction I've ever seen was from one particular guy I used to do some work for. And his reaction wasn't directed at me (he knew I am a hunter), it was directed at some gun stuff we found in the house we were remodeling.

How long ago was it that a MAJORITY of Americans owned guns?


I would venture a guess in the 60s. Pre Vietnam War days, and pre-hippie days.

Wyman

FiREhAwk
August 7, 2009, 12:48 AM
I think %10 is off the mark a good bit. I bet even the most liberal states have more that %10 Legal gun ownership. In NC which is becoming more liberal ever second :( gun ownership is very much assumed.

christcorp
August 7, 2009, 01:51 AM
Yea; the 1st thing you need to know is that 10% is no where NEAR what the actual number of gun owners is. The actual numbers are 40-50% of Households; which equates to about 25% of the population; which is close to 80 MILLION people. Guns are a unique commodity, in the respect that in my house, it's not like I own certain guns and my WIFE owns here OWN. Plus, it's not uncommon for a HOUSEHOLD to own more than one gun. So it's best to use the number of 40-50% of households owning at least 1 gun.

Now; does that make us a minority? Yea, I guess if you want to strictly look at numbers. But that is a very misleading method of looking at it. For instance; the 80 million estimated people owning guns, was PRIOR TO OBAMA BEING ELECTED. Everyone in the country realizes that gun ownership has risen dramatically since he won the election. Also; there are approximately 4 million NRA members. This too however was before the Obama election. That number TOO has dramatically increased. But did it increase with some of the 80 million existing gun owners, or from some of the NEW gun owners????

Also; being a MINORITY IN NUMBERS is totally irrelevant, and the question is irrelevant. For instance; as mentioned, the NRA REPRESENTS 80+ Million Gun Owners, (25% of the Population); yet they only have membership of 4 million which is only 1.5% of the population. BUT; to make you FEEL BETTER: the NAACP REPRESENTS all of America with people of so called "COLOR". Yet, their membership currently is only about 525,000 members. The HIGHEST MEMBERSHIP they ever had was in 1964 with a total of 625,000. Yet, they supposedly SPEAK for ALL BLACKS and people of COLOR. Very misleading. Obviously, they don't speak for as many as they LIKE TO THINK. Just like the NRA doesn't speak for as many as they'd like to think. However; they percentage of 1.5% of the population is a LOT MORE than the 1/5th of 1% of the population that the NAACP supposedly represents.

This is the same with any group that supposedly represents people. Like AARP or any of them. So; while you may think that gun owners are a MINORITY; the NRA and similar are Politically active. They carry a very loud voice. Just like the NAACP and many other groups. Also; Obama's election has done more for gun ownership increase than just about any other campaign could. But most definitely continue to get others interested in guns. Those who are Anti-Gun, try and get them to appreciate that the 2nd amendment is there as a tool so the government can never become a dictator and take away ANY of the OTHER rights; because the PEOPLE have a means of resisting, so long as they have the right to have a gun. But let them know that you have guns NOT as a political statement; but for PRACTICAL reasons such as self defense, hunting, sport, historical collecting, etc... Just as others can SUPPORT groups that they aren't members of; we want others to SUPPORT gun rights and gun owners, even if they don't own any guns. Because they appreciate that when 1 RIGHT is infringed on, that ALL RIGHTS can be infringed on.

jim in Anchorage
August 7, 2009, 02:20 AM
How long ago was it that a MAJORITY of Americans owned guns?

Is there any state in the union that maintains a majority of residences who are gun owners?

I gave this 5 minutes thought and I honestly don't believe I know ANYONE who doesn't own a gun.

jaholder1971
August 7, 2009, 02:27 AM
Nope.

hadmanysons
August 7, 2009, 02:50 AM
It would seem so. When I talk about guns at work people are like "You own a gun?!?!" and I'm forced to respond with the fact that "I'm running out of fingers to count them on". And I'm in the military! It's getting pretty sad.

bootless
August 7, 2009, 05:08 AM
Definitely depends on where you live. Here in so cal I think we are a minority. Very few people even talk about guns for fear of what others may think. I'm an avid hunter as well, and I probably know of a handful of people locally who hunt/shoot as well. It's sad to know that in some places we are a dying breed. I am torn between staying here to push for and represent my rights/lifestyle or to retreat to somewhere where there are more people like me. Either way I feel like I lose.

MarineOne
August 7, 2009, 05:40 AM
I think Logos has it spot on with his post on the first page of this thread; we (THR) are a minority within a minority. We have members that own firearms and some even have their CWL/CCL, but we also have reloaders, competitors, and trainers/instructors. We have folks that cast their own bullets. We have folks that run pistol and rifle ranges.

These people are at the very heart of what we enjoy about firearms.

I used to live in southern California, and to even talk about guns in a positive light would bring looks of scorn. Living in Idaho now, I still get these looks from those that moved here from California, but its definately an accepted norm here that people are almost expected to own or have knowledge of a firearm.

And yeah, it was one of my reasons why I moved.



Kris

kamagong
August 7, 2009, 12:47 PM
Is there any state in the union that maintains a majority of residences who are gun owners?
I'd be willing to bet that Alaska fits that description.

Demitrios
August 7, 2009, 01:14 PM
Detective John Kimball, what I meant by, "Once given the chance though there's not one person I've spoken to, face to face, that hasn't at least comfortable with me owning a gun." is that when I've been given the opportunity to talk to people who are automatically prejudiced against guns I've been able to make them realize that a lot of their stereotypes are just that, stereotypes.

As for my statistics please forgive me, like I said I'm not sure of them so if anyone could post some I'd be grateful.

Benzene, I think you're taking this the wrong way. First off I live in NJ and can't carry concealed. Secondly even if I could I wouldn't go jitterbugging around acting like I was the coolest thing since disco saying, "Yeah man, I carry a gun, aren't I cool?". I'm speaking as a gun OWNER not a carrier. Third your opinions on God are yours and yours alone and no one is passing judgement on you for it. However what people should do and actually do are two seperate things and unfortunately peoples ignorance does cause you to lose your equanimity (nice SAT word by the way and no I'm not being facetious).

Kwanger, like M2 said, it depends on where you live.

Avenger. . . . . . God help us that sadly seems true.

DHJenkins, please don't take this as insulting your intelligence I'm actually agreeing with you and looking to clarify your statement. I'm talking about gun owners, which I define as you me and every other law abiding shmoe, not the criminal element who we are sometimes percieved to be and in some case need to regularly remind people we are not.

Blackhawk, that's almost a good attitude but the problem with that attitude is these are the people who vote in the wonderfully truthful and honest politicians, like Corzine, who take away our rights. So too bad for us.

CWL can you give me any links to that information? Any brushing up on statistics I can get I'll gladly take.

Logos I believe truer words have never been spoken.

hnk45acp that's exactly my point.

doc2rn I don't know. . . a few people on here have disagreeing points of view.

chris in va, I see what you're saying but I'm being specific to gun owners, not just people who can carry.

trigun87 (great anime by the by) I'm dark but not dark enough to be anything other than olive. However given my look (long hair, leather jacket, etc.) I've lived a very large chunk of my life being judged simply for aesthetics, so I feel your pain. I'm an especially big fan of, "YOU own a gun? Man that's scary **CHUCKLES**." Meanwhile the fool running his mouth has no idea of the four basic rules of safety.

WLE that goes into a point I intend to make shortly and I'm glad I got to hear that story from you.

datruth you keep being wrong.

christcorp sources?

All in all I think to what Hitler did during WWII when he held massive book burnings. Keeping the masses uneducated makes them easier to dictate. The people I speak to who are anti-gun are usually either misinformed or completely ignorant yet have formed a very hateful opinion. When speaking to them I usually open with, "If you want to dislike guns all the more power to you, the only thing I ask is that you educate yourself BEFORE you decide to hate something." I've found that most people are willing to listen to reason when you deal with them one on one. I also like to argue with, "So you're against guns because you're afraid your child might hurt or kill themselves or someone? Well doesn't it make more sense to educate your child in the safe handling of firearms so if and when they do come across one they're less likely to let themselves or their friends mishandle one?" Ignorance has run rampant in the gun debate and worse than that people truly believe they're being fed the truth when in all actuality, in my opinion anyway, guns are just a scapegoat to help politicians gain leverage to take office.

LemmyCaution
August 7, 2009, 03:12 PM
If by 'minority,' you mean 'lynched, put in concentration/internment camps, forced to perform slave labor, systematically exploited, profiled by law enforcement for external appearance, made to ride at the back of the bus, made to use separate facilities from the rest of society, denied employment/promotion based on physical appearance, or otherwise discriminated against on the basis of race, creed or color' I would have to say NO.

If you mean are gun owners the latest group of people who have chosen to gripe and moan about other people not particularly caring for their personal choices, which they are somehow still perfectly free to make within the constraints of the law and despite any real empirical evidence of widespread societal/institutional discrimination, I'd have to say in certain instances YES.

I'm pretty touchy about people- any people- attempting to even vaguely equate their feelings of insecurity and societal marginalization over PERSONAL CHOICES with things like the holocaust, the slavery and lynchings of blacks, the internment of US citizens of Japanese ethnicity, etc… It's hysterical and trivializes what those people went through and in some cases still go through.

Last I checked, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms was constitutionally protected and gun owners were not being systematically rounded up, put in camps or made victims of mass extermination.

If you want to keep and bear arms, do so, and be happy you can. But by insinuating that one is a victim, one becomes a victim, which utterly undermines the point of bearing arms in the first place.

Zoogster
August 7, 2009, 03:39 PM
Is there any state in the union that maintains a majority of residences who are gun owners?

I would imagine Alaska, where a significant portion of the population enjoys outdoor activities such as fishing and hunting, while wolves and Grizzlies live in the same environment. I know a significant portion of thier rural population hunts just for subsistence, so most of them have firearms. I cannot imagine thier city population offsets that by much since a large percentage of them recreate in the woods and often live in Alaska for the outdoor activities.

Montana seems like a place where most would own firearms.

Most rural locations have higher firearm ownership, it is the cities that push down the per capita ownership rates in states. So if you went to most of the nation, you would find gun ownership more likely than not. Unless you happen to be in a big city.

There is just a lot more people who live in the very dense cities, and legal ownership is far less. Both for extra legal hurdles in many big cities, a greater negative stigma, and fewer recreational opportunities with firearms. The only real use of a firearm in the city is for shooting other people. The areas with the highest crime rates where people would be more inclined to want a gun for that reason also tend to have the highest percentage of prohibited persons.
People who at some time were found guilty of a crime that prohibits them from ownership. For example inner city areas with a high drug problem have a high percentage of the population convicted of some drug crime or another which often prohibits them for life. So even if those people do own firearms, it is not official, is illegal, and is not counted.

If i remember my numbers correctly approximately 10% of America's population are gun owners

I have not heard of the 10% rate before. From what I understood the official rate was closer to 30% of people, and 40% of households.


Since there is many households were only the man owns firearms, technically only one person owns firearms while both the husband and wife often have access to them.
So in the stereotypical American household that has a firearm, with a husband, wife, and 2.3 children, less than 25% of the household technically owns a firearm. If they have 2 children its 25%, and if its 3 children only 20%.
Even in most households where both the man and woman are considered to own firearms, the children are not. If that is a family with 2.3 children and the children do not have personally owned firearms, then less than 50% of such a household owns firearms. So already even in a stereotypical family that owns guns less than half the family members own firearms for polling purposes.


In a family with 8 children, with 1 gun owning adult male, you technically have a gun ownership rate of 12.5%. If both the man and woman own firearms, then it is still only a 25% ownership rate.

You combine that with some low inner city rates of legal ownership, and you start to get much lower official percentages of ownership than represent the reality of life for most of America.

One other thing I think most fail to consider is that even a decent percentage of gun owners when called on the phone and asked by total strangers if they own firearms will reply they do not! That could be well over 10% of the population, not wishing to inform the random person creating a database on the other end of the phone that they have firearms. In surveys collecting data on multiple topics, that is one topic likely to result in more lies and lower official numbers than reality.

jim in Anchorage
August 7, 2009, 04:09 PM
I would imagine Alaska, where a significant portion of the population enjoys outdoor activities such as fishing and hunting, while wolves and Grizzlies live in the same environment. I know a significant portion of thier rural population hunts just for subsistence, so most of them have firearms. I cannot imagine thier city population offsets that by much since a large percentage of them recreate in the woods and often live in Alaska for the outdoor activities

I'd be willing to bet that Alaska fits that description.

Did ANYONE read my post?:banghead:

Logos
August 7, 2009, 04:24 PM
Most of us did and most of us agree.

I mean.....we've all seen Sarah!

:D

HardShell
August 7, 2009, 04:55 PM
Interesting numbers from the General Social Survey on the question of gun ownership since 1972...

http://publicdata.norc.org/webview/velocity?var1=http%3A%2F%2Fpublicdata.norc.org%3A80%2Fobj%2FfVariable%2F4697_V5076&op1=%3C%3E&cases2=5&stubs=http%3A%2F%2Fpublicdata.norc.org%3A80%2Fobj%2FfVariable%2F4697_V1&var2=http%3A%2F%2Fpublicdata.norc.org%3A80%2Fobj%2FfVariable%2F4697_V5076&op3=%3C%3E&analysismode=table&v=2&var3=http%3A%2F%2Fpublicdata.norc.org%3A80%2Fobj%2FfVariable%2F4697_V5076&ao2=and&weights=http%3A%2F%2Fpublicdata.norc.org%3A80%2Fobj%2FfVariable%2F4697_V5084&cases3=7&V1slice=1972&ao1=and&previousmode=table&study=http%3A%2F%2Fpublicdata.norc.org%3A80%2Fobj%2FfStudy%2F4697&headers=http%3A%2F%2Fpublicdata.norc.org%3A80%2Fobj%2FfVariable%2F4697_V648&op2=%3C%3E&mode=table&ao3=and&V4slice=0&tabcontenttype=row&count=2&cases1=4

Erik M
August 7, 2009, 06:10 PM
Out in the rural areas around my home and the small towns of Easten Kentucky a gun owner would be in the majority. I cant say if thats true the closer you get to lexington and cinci.

WLE
August 7, 2009, 09:38 PM
I taught my two little girls when they were 8 and twelve years old to shoot and respect firearms. We would plink and shoot targets with a 22 fun stuff for kids. I always suppervised and emphasize never never never point a fire arm at any body at any time unless your life is threaten and you intend to shoot. I beleive if kids were taught from very young to respect firearms, that really does carries with them for the rest of their life. I think that every kid should shoot or deer or rabbit and skin it. I beleive this developes respect for firearms, something that our current administation is setting up the ground work for a much tighter gun control and eventially to completly disarm the citizen.
Liberalism is a mental disorder, period. It is a cancer spreading vigorously within this greatest country in the world. I truely beleive eduction and not indoctrination will turn the country around. I also beleive gun ownership is the only entity standing between capitolism and socialism. "To each according to there needs from those according to their ability. " I am second generation German but I am an American first. I do not hyphenate German/American althought I am proud of my heritage. My father was in the Hitler Youth and it was not what people think it was. They were taught skills, trades and respect. Hitler was a dictator and was not a nice man, destroyed lives outrages dispicable acts. I often wounder, at least we knew what Hitler's agenda was, our current adminastion is like a cancer it is spreading all over, and it is terminal, what is worst?.

jakemccoy
August 7, 2009, 10:21 PM
I haven't read all the posts, but I agree with LemmyCaution.

If by 'minority,' you mean 'lynched, put in concentration/internment camps, forced to perform slave labor, systematically exploited, profiled by law enforcement for external appearance, made to ride at the back of the bus, made to use separate facilities from the rest of society, denied employment/promotion based on physical appearance, or otherwise discriminated against on the basis of race, creed or color' I would have to say NO.

If you mean are gun owners the latest group of people who have chosen to gripe and moan about other people not particularly caring for their personal choices, which they are somehow still perfectly free to make within the constraints of the law and despite any real empirical evidence of widespread societal/institutional discrimination, I'd have to say in certain instances YES.

I'm pretty touchy about people- any people- attempting to even vaguely equate their feelings of insecurity and societal marginalization over PERSONAL CHOICES with things like the holocaust, the slavery and lynchings of blacks, the internment of US citizens of Japanese ethnicity, etc… It's hysterical and trivializes what those people went through and in some cases still go through.

Last I checked, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms was constitutionally protected and gun owners were not being systematically rounded up, put in camps or made victims of mass extermination.

If you want to keep and bear arms, do so, and be happy you can. But by insinuating that one is a victim, one becomes a victim, which utterly undermines the point of bearing arms in the first place.

The use of the term "new minority" is a buzz word intended to bring about a certain reaction. The problem with using it here is that each minority group in America has historically been a persecuted group at one time during their existence. I don't feel persecuted as a gun owner. I feel quite the opposite actually.

Gun owners may technically be in the minority. However, saying gun owners are the "new minority" is misleading, as described above. As an example, white males who are 6'6", handsome, and in superb shape is a group that is in the minority. Calling such a group a "new minority" would be misleading.

WLE
August 7, 2009, 10:36 PM
I taught my two little girls when they were 8 and twelve years old to shoot and respect firearms. We would plink and shoot targets with a 22 fun stuff for kids. I always suppervised and emphasize never never never point a fire arm at any body at any time unless your life is threaten and you intend to shoot. I beleive if kids were taught from very young to respect firearms, that really does carries with them for the rest of their life. I think that every kid should shoot or deer or rabbit and skin it. I beleive this developes respect for firearms, something that our current administation is setting up the ground work for a much tighter gun control and eventially to completly disarm the citizen.
Liberalism is a mental disorder, period. It is a cancer spreading vigorously within this greatest country in the world. I truely beleive eduction and not indoctrination will turn the country around. I also beleive gun ownership is the only entity standing between capitolism and socialism. "To each according to there needs from those according to their ability. " I am second generation German but I am an American first. I do not hyphenate German/American althought I am proud of my heritage. My father was in the Hitler Youth and it was not what people think it was. They were taught skills, trades and respect. Hitler was a dictator and was not a nice man, destroyed lives outrages dispicable acts. I often wounder, at least we knew what Hitler's agenda was, our current adminastion is like a cancer it is spreading all over, and it is terminal, what is worst?.


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harrygunner
August 8, 2009, 02:04 AM
Percentage of gun owners by state:

Wyoming 59.70
Alaska 57.80
Montana 57.70
South Dakota 56.60
West Virginia 55.40
Mississippi 55.30
Idaho 55.30
Arkansas 55.30
Alabama 51.70
North Dakota 50.70


Sorry, I copied this info from Internet and resorted it without saving its source. But, ten states have more than 50% of its residents owning guns.

If I rediscover its source, I post it.

freewheeling
August 8, 2009, 03:07 AM
Now where I'm going with this is when I tell someone (I live in a blue state like NJ mind you) that I'm a gun owner and a shooter the first thing I'm met with is an odd look or a comment or some mild to not so mild response. The few times I've mentioned the fact that I'm a gun owner to someone who's a L.E.O. they look at me like I'm a criminal. I almost feel like people are friendly with me until they know this aspect (more properly a passion) of my life, after which I'm almost perceived as a threat. Once given the chance though there's not one person I've spoken to, face to face, that hasn't at least comfortable with me owning a gun. If gun owners were a race, this would be racism at its finest. Does ayone else feel like this or have a similar point of view?

I lived in NJ for awhile, and carried most of the time. I never mentioned it to anyone, and was strictly illegal. While I was there some group of thugs attempted to mug a fellow on the street in Trenton and he pulled a weapon from his pocket and shot a few of them dead. He was never charged. You can own weapons in NJ, but are severely resticted in carrying, even to a range. I just ignored the law, because it was a dangerous scary neighborhood. Carrying did make me look a little fat though. I just chalked it up to the beer.

freewheeling
August 8, 2009, 03:17 AM
Here's a link to Gun Ownership by State (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html) NJ was a little over 12%. Western and southern states were high. The highest state was Wyoming, with almost 60%.

Birdmang
August 8, 2009, 03:21 AM
^I don't think that poll gives a good answer at all, but it is interesting.

RP88
August 8, 2009, 03:33 AM
it's really hard to consider gun ownership a minority considering that 80-90 million people in this country own guns. That equates to roughly half of the population that is old enough and/or eligible to even own a gun, if I recall correctly (I saw the age demographics somewhere but can't find it)

jmr40
August 8, 2009, 09:40 AM
Since the election millions of people who never considered a gun have purchased one. Remember trying to find anything on the shelves for the last few months. There are more people applying for carry permits than at any time in history. Those numbers in the polls are not showing up yet, and many gun owners choose not to admit they own guns so I believe that the numbers are a lot higher than the polls indicate.

22-rimfire
August 8, 2009, 10:49 AM
3.8% in District of Columbia. Sounds like a utopia. :D :D

christcorp
August 8, 2009, 11:38 AM
That poll is also quite misleading. INDIVIDUALS were asked that question. Therefor, they extrapolated their percentage based on the population. However; if you look at "Households" (i.e. I've bought every gun in our HOUSE, yet my wife, daughter, and son also shoot them regularly); the number of household that own guns is actually much higher. Wyoming for instance is between 80-85% that have firearms.

Also; many states like Wyoming, Alaska, Montana, etc... are not EAGERLY letting people know if they have guns or not. Perfectly legal. No permits required. Open carry is done all the time. But when a pollster asks such questions, we simply walk away. So; I would say that ALL the numbers in their polls are on the low side for many reasons.

LRaccuracy
August 8, 2009, 06:12 PM
If i remember my numbers correctly approximately 10% of America's population are gun owners

This sounds like a CNN (Communist Network News) estimate to make it sound like gun owners are a minority. When some conservative estimates are 80 to 100 MILLION Americans own firearms of approximately 300 to 350 million firearms. NO ONE REALLY KNOWS FOR SURE.

As per the last U.S. census there were 225,081,715 people in the US over 18 years of age. Take away all the people that cannot own guns, lets round off that number of people to 200,000,000 that can own guns and vote.

Now the way I see it, approximately 50% of the population of the country that can own a gun, does own a gun.

With that number being ball parked, I would have to say that more than half of every households in the USA has at least one gun.

We are the silent majority and we better get off of our thumbs and start shouting at every elected official to protect our rights.

If we let them take our guns, there will not be enough left of our freedoms in this country to recognize in 20 years. If you are 20 years old now, you have 30 years of being enslaved. First your guns, then everything else is sure to go. Wake up America.

DMK
August 8, 2009, 08:40 PM
Here in rural NC, most people I know have at least one gun in the house. Some hunt, but most of the folks I know own a handgun for defense and/or target shooting. I only know of two or three people personally who have a concealed permit. OTOH, most folks around here talk about concealed carry in a pretty positive light.

I do agree that in more liberal areas gun owners are treated as second class citizens

A-FIXER
August 8, 2009, 09:52 PM
As well here in Nebraska most of residents own firearms here maybe only those that are old enough to have moved in to retirement home only have gotten rid of their firearms...

Deltaboy
August 8, 2009, 09:54 PM
It seems to be a sign of the times Hunting is also becoming less popular.

Lawnman380
August 8, 2009, 10:34 PM
nope

TexasBill
August 8, 2009, 11:32 PM
The Gallup Organization estimates 3 in 10 Americans own guns. That's 30 percent. That's more than the combined Black and Hispanic populations as a percentage of the whole. While Republicans have the highest rate of ownership, over 30 percent of Democrats are gun owners (BTW: a very high percentage of the new Democrats in the House are pro-gun. You can thank them for persuading Speaker Pelosi to drop the renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban).

I certainly wouldn't want to be considered a minority as they are commonly perceived. Heck, there are more gun owners than Baptists and, last time I looked, they acted like they owned the place. Why should we be any different? After all, we not only have the Constitution on our side, we have the greatest concentration of small arms in the world.

12131
August 9, 2009, 01:30 AM
If gun owners were a race...
Well, they are not, so this is silly.

Demitrios
August 9, 2009, 01:09 PM
Actually this would be known as a discussion. In fact this was even posted in 'General Gun Discussion'. And I was looking for intelligent opinions on the topic at hand, not short one sentence answers that offer nothing to the discussion. The next time you think a thread is silly. . . . . don't be a part of it. Otherwise I'm really pleased at everyones thoughts and answers.

Zoogster
August 9, 2009, 04:54 PM
Hunting is also becoming less popular.

The population is growing rapidly. There is constantly more people, less wilderness, and a limited number of animals. That is going to mean more people competing for fewer animals, which will result in permit prices increasing.
There is a reason hunting is a rich man's sport in most areas of the world that have been settled and well populated.
Americans have had it better because the entire western hemisphere was virtually empty except for the natives, most of whom died off not long after from disease and other factors, only a couple hundred years ago.
So Continents as big as much of the previously known world have been divided among a small number of people. The United States had around 5 million people in 1800.
76 million by 1900.
Over 120 million in the 1930s during the great depression, when the number of people hunting deer for food almost exterminated the deer population in much of the nation. It took many years to come back. ( I find that interesting when you consider how many plan to hunt for food in a major SHTF scenario today with over 300 million and far fewer forests and animals. The game population would be permanently decimated rather quickly.)

Today we have over 300 million people in the US, and not only the raw number of people, but much more of the land itself settled or cleared. Far fewer areas for wildlife to live healthy and migrate. Pockets of forest may allow some to survive, but the long distance migrations that once kept them strong and healthy are far fewer today.
Shopping centers, freeways, homes etc lay between even most pockets reserved for wildlife.

This will only increase as the population grows, the wild unused land decreases, and people still wish to hunt.
You have more people competing over less.
So it may once again become only a rich man's sport in the lifetime of many here. The capitalistic result.
(In Europe for hundreds of years hunting was the sport of the nobility. Even killing one of the Kings creature's (hunting yourself) was often a major crime. In the feudal system the only land not cleared for crops and wealth (the more crops one had the wealthier they were, forests created no wealth) were special forests owned by the elite. That was the only way they could even sustain the animals to even hunt. If mere peasants could hunt too, nothing would be left.)
Or you could see the socialist result of a random draft that selects a small number from the people to enjoy the resource each season regardless of who would be willing to pay more (California has such a system for large game already).
Either way a decreasing percentage of Americans will be able to enjoy the shrinking resource on a regular basis.

So if you think hunting and the hunting culture will keep the RKBA alive in the future, you would be dead wrong. Fortunately hunting had nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment or our right to Keep and Bear Arms.

spartywrx
August 9, 2009, 10:29 PM
Living in Michigan there are a good number of gun owners around and many people I talk to who don't own aren't offended, they are usually just indifferent but to a greater extent would be interested in learning to shoot and they just haven't got to in their life. There are a small number of people who have opposition to some or all guns (my mom once said "Handguns should be illegal, they aren't used for hunting and just kill people") but they are very few.

I'll second that. In Michigan I've found the only real strong opposition to guns is located in the SE counties and Flint, but there are plenty of gun owners in those areas to counter the antis. Unfortunately our Senators are most anti-2a.

Myself and a couple of like minded students are starting a shooting club at our urban university in Detroit. The administration doesn't like the idea much, but everyone I've talked to wants us to take them out shooting once we get it up and rolling. I think we're a minority because exposure to guns and passing down the tradition of shooting is dying. I pretty much taught myself everything, with a little help from friends. People aren't opposed to guns, they just know only what Katie Couric tells them.

TEDDY
August 10, 2009, 08:29 PM
now I have another take.since I have been around life longer than the rest of you I have seen more.the big cities have always been gun shy.because the people relied on the law to protect them.in the country the people relied on themselves.
as to Mass since I lived there for 76 yrs and belonged to a gun club since 1969 I have an idea of the owner ship of fire arms.there were 1,700,000 licensed gun owners in 1998,by 2000 there were 260,000.where did they go????they did not all move they are there but refuse to get licensed.so how do you find the numbers.
and there are to my count 48 known gun clubs.very active with 3/400 members to each.most are pistol clubs.I belong to one.
most of you dont know a thing about the law and how they work in states.
but the main item is there are far more owners than the statistics show.and a lot are anti gun.figure that.:rolleyes::uhoh:

USAFRetired
August 10, 2009, 08:34 PM
Amen Brother!

I grew up in rural Tennessee and there are ALOTT more guns than there are numbers on a little piece of paper or digits in a database somewhere.

Skillet
August 10, 2009, 10:23 PM
i believe that if we are a minority or a majority, it does not really matter, if it came to a national security matter where the air and sea and state guards and military was gone, leaving the country with just a civilian defense, 1 person would be able to defend many. meaning that if the average gun owner owns a certain amount of guns, and this country fell into a state of chaos, with the need of defending oneself from foriegn or domestic threats, the number of "gun owners" would multiply overnight. the dad hands a gun to his kid and shows him how to work it (like on the movie patriot) and the wife and the neighbors are all in defense as almost of a militia type setup, you have got a pretty powerful force. the Japanese did say that in america there is a gun behind every blade of grass and it is very true. and for the amount of gun owners,i think the numbers can be easily rigged, because of location. a poll of gun owners in the fancy parts of new york to base off of the whole country is completely opposite of a poll of the number of gun owners in a small town in texas or whyoming or idaho or alaska. even if the number of guns sold by stores is used as the base of a number, the number is not very accurate because of private sale and alot of other factors involved. it's like trying to find out the number of dog owners in the US. it is almost impossible to find out because of many other factors than just sale involved. i heard a number saying that in the highest months of the obama guns and ammo scare, there was enough guns and ammo sold in two months time to supply indias and chinas military combined. and in three or four months time it was equal to india, china and the US army supplies combined. that's alot of guns. i was talking to a gun shop employee that had a guy who owned no guns before and just had experiance of shooting guns when he was a kid come in and buy an ar-15 and straight up tell him that this is not for hunting or plinking. and that is just one example. so my answer to your question is-who REALLY knows?

2aHawaii
August 10, 2009, 10:49 PM
Here's a link to Gun Ownership by State (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html) NJ was a little over 12%. Western and southern states were high. The highest state was Wyoming, with almost 60%.
According to this poll, it looks like Hawaii is the absolute worst state to be in for a gun owner. Ouch.

RM
August 10, 2009, 11:28 PM
Sadly, as this Country becomes more urban/suburban and less rural, and as high profile gun crimes continue to dominate the news, gun ownership will slowly decrease and gun control laws will gradually increase in the coming decades. Yes, we are the new minority. Much like cigarette smokers, but for different reasons. Only one thing can save us: social chaos.

RP88
August 11, 2009, 12:03 AM
if that was said five to six years ago, you'd probably be right. However, the opposite has occurred. Gradually increasing gun rights and more gun owners, and gradually decreasing will to pass more gun control.

RDak
August 11, 2009, 12:31 AM
Where I live gun owners are the VAST majority!! :D

leadcounsel
August 11, 2009, 12:58 AM
WE are all to blame. Stop allowing people to bash guns and gun owners. Boycot most of Hollywood because most of the movies are anti-gun in theme. Research and boycott anti-gun businesses. Vote with your dollars and feet. And vote the anti-gun leaders OUT!

4v50 Gary
August 11, 2009, 01:26 AM
Here in the liberal stronghold, gunowners and shooters are underground as they get chastised for mentioning guns.

LRaccuracy
August 11, 2009, 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Teddy:

most of you dont know a thing about the law and how they work in states.
but the main item is there are far more owners than the statistics show.and a lot are anti gun.figure that

Only one question for you TEDDY. If someone owns a gun how can they truly be "anti-gun?"

Younggunner
August 13, 2009, 01:22 AM
you are definitly not the minority if you live in texas. my school friends all have guns. and i live in austin so it isn't exactly like living in the country. but still plenty of gun owners down here.

hnk45acp
August 13, 2009, 04:50 PM
If someone owns a gun how can they truly be "anti-gun?
Schumer and Feinstein had carry permits and they're as anti as it gets. There are many people out there that have the "what's good for me may not be what's good for you" attitude

Lakeshore
August 13, 2009, 08:09 PM
Gallup Poll website says that as of 2005 about 40% of Americans had a gun in their household or elsewhere on their property. Factor in the surge in gun purchases since then, and the likelihood that some survey respondents won't admit to owning a gun for whatever reason, and it's now probably closer to 50%. Maybe still a minority but definitely a force to be reckoned with.

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