[Big D]

Hey yall...since there's so much talk about the PP nowadays, I figured I'd put up a thread devoted specifically to it. Pics are welcome. Anyways, I'm headin down to Gander Mountain before work tomorrow, and have a shotgun I want to trade in for a Pardner Pump. Hopefully, being the kind of shotgun it is, I'll be able to do a straight trade plus get a little cash in hand. They have new PP's for $225, and I saw a a couple really nice used ones. What should a lightly used PP go for do yall figure? Anyways, this is the Pardner Pump hangout thread....goead with it!:cool:

[MAX100]

Dealer cost on a PP is about $175. So a used one in excellent condition should go for around that or less.


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[bootless]

Still looking for one. Very few around here (so cal). The only one around I've seen was $299 and I wasn't willing to shell out that much cash. Been looking for a while so I guess I can wait for the next boat to come.

-I know they have them online but my local FFL's are pricey and I like to handle agun before I buy them no matter what brand. Live and learn I guess.

[smithmax]

Bootless, are you focused on the gun or price range? I ran into the same problem and ended up getting a maverick at wallyworld for $180, and I've already been very impressed with the mossberg customer service.

Big 5 in town is selling the Pardner for $300, which is almost 2x as much as Bi-mart would sell them for if they could get them.

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Local dealer had a bunch when they first came out---they didn't sell well---they still have a couple at $179 on the shelf.

$300 gets you a new Express at Cabela's---with 3 choke tubes and a Tru-glo sight and that's not even on sale----they go on sale regularly at $280.

[meytind]

I went to a local store this morning and they wanted $329.99 for a Pardner Pump or a IAC 982. Crazy guys.

[Dr_2_B]

I wouldn't mind having a 20 ga.

[bootless]

Smithmax, Unfortunately I live in one of those places where wallyworld doesn't sell guns. Bummer I know. I've been pretty set on the pardner due to the positive reviews. I'm a big fan of Remington but all of mine are bird guns and I want an inexpensive camp/HD gun. I haven't had too good of an experience with the 870 Exrpess so I decided to get the next best thing, a copy of one. Oh and I have some 870 parts around so that's another reason.

[Big D]

Nobody has any love for the PP?

[c5_nc]

Buds is having a weekend sale again this weekend. Last time PPs dropped to $167 SHIPPED. Bought one then. Its a great little gun. Features wise they are above a 870 Express. I can often find used Wingmasters for $175-200 locally, but I if I wanted to replace barrell with 18.5" one and ad a takeoff synthetic stock the price starts to get up there. The best other options are usually finding Mossberg 500s used, or new. Doing a Barrel change (or cutting) on the Walmart $177 Maverick version.

[Big D]

I really liked my Norinco made 1897 Riot model....it was a little rough at first, but after a 100 rnds or so, it smoothed up really nice. I noticed that the PP is a lot better finished than the 97 model I had. My thing is that the PP is basically an 870 Police model at half the price....and it can accept nearly all 870 accessories.

[snooperman]

How is the action compared to the Remington 870? Is it as smooth as the remington to pump?

[Big D]

The ones I've handled are almost as smooth as my Rem. 870, which is about 25 years old.....but a new Remmy compared to the PP, they're about the same.

[ohioarmedneutrality]

I got my Pardner Pump Protector 12 ga. for $169+tax. I think it was about 1 1/2 years ago. I know they've gone up some since then, but I can't imagine paying $300 for one though. I haven't had any problems with mine other than not having time to practice with it.

[snooperman]

In my home town, from their catalog of guns, from Sports South

[csd4682]

An update on the barrel exchange! Since Marlin took over, you can now get barrels shipped directly to you. I called them last week and within 7-10 days I can have a new 28" barrel for 103.00

[Shpadoinkel]

An update on the barrel exchange! Since Marlin took over, you can now get barrels shipped directly to you. I called them last week and within 7-10 days I can have a new 28" barrel for 103.00
That's really good to know. I was just thinking about getting a longer barrel for my Protector, I had so much fun shooting clays the other day with an 18.5" barrel, I want to do it more with a proper setup. The 28" is the one I was looking at. So no more sending the gun in? No more "expert-fitting" (an absolute joke)?
You know what shipping was?

[Magic_Man]

Dick's sells the PP for $220. That's where I got mine & I recently traded it for ammo. Nothing wrong w/it. I just don't need it w/an 870 & S12

[MAX100]

The longer smooth bore barrels take Mossberg Accu Chokes.


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[JFrame]

This is the second week in a row that Dick's has posted their sales price of $199.99 for the Pardner (regularly $219.99).

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[Shpadoinkel]

It should be noted that Dick's does not have universal pricing.
The Dick's closest to my house had them for $220 while the Dick's closest to my work (two towns away), on the same day, had them "on sale" for $249.

[SDB Guitars]

My father just gave me a Pardner Pump with the 28" barrel, which he has had for a couple of years, but has never fired. I'm more interested in the 18.5" barrel. Would I be better served to just sell this and purchase the "Pardner Pump Protector", or are the shorter barrels fairly easy to acquire and swap out?

[Fred Fuller]

When I called H&R last week, the rep said they were out of stock on spare barrels for the Pardners and it would be a few weeks before any arrived...

lpl

[SDB Guitars]

Yeah, that kinda sucks... what I really want to do is swap this for one of the 18.5" barrel versions. Don't suppose anyone on here has one, and wants one of the longer barreled versions...? I don't have the original box, but I do have the warranty card, etc.

[GRIZ22]

That's where I got mine & I recently traded it for ammo. Nothing wrong w/it.

I'm the guy who traded the ammo. I can also vouch there is nothing wrong with it. I put about 100 rds through it with no issues. Not as smooth as an 870 but not anything you can't deal with.

I got it because I wanted a reliable inexpensive pump for those activities I don't want to subject my 870 to.

[Old Jimmy]

I bought mine last year with a 28 inch barrel for $169.00 plus tax at Olde English in Tipp City. Great lil gun and handles magnums well too.

I have the Tnn 1897 shotgun also and the pardner is smoother...

[FMJMIKE]

I got mine from Dick's for $219 a couple months ago. It is under my bed with 5 rounds of OO Buck Shot!

[Howaido]

I wouldn't buy a new barrel. Take it to a smith and have them cut it and put a new bead on. 30 bucks or so.

[snooperman]

Are there any accessories such as synthetic stocks, pistol grips etc fror the pardner pump 20 gauge like you can get for the Remington?

[halfacop]

Are there any accessories such as synthetic stocks, pistol grips etc fror the pardner pump 20 gauge like you can get for the Remington?

Everything is interchangable between the 870 and the Pardner EXCEPT the barrel...

So anything you can put on a 870 can go on a pardner.....

[millertyme]

I can get one from a local guy for $150 in camo that is in like new condition. wondering if i should jump on it, especially hearing that the furniture is interchangeable with my wingmaster.

[RiverCity.45]

Academy Sports in Texas has put the PP Defender on sale for $159.00. I bought one today!

[janobles14]

it may have been mentioned already but there was a metalurgy test done with these weapons vs the rems and it was found that the pards actually had a better quality on some components. i have been trying to find the link but cant. if anyone has it please post

[enbarnes]

Academy in Spartanburg, SC has 'em for $159. I got mine yesterday. Too bad they don't take layaway -- Black Friday is sales tax holiday in SC

[50caliber123]

Is everything really interchangeable besides the barrel betwen 20ga guns? I'm speaking of the 870 express to the pardner pump. My friend's pardner pump will not take the magazine tube cap that was made for the remington 870 ( he wants a sling). Any suggestions? Would an extended magazine tube remedy this problem?

[Shpadoinkel]

^ I believe you found the only other part that isn't interchangeable.

MAX100 might be able to help you out. I know he does 12ga tube extensions for the Pardners but I don't know if what you're talking about relates to that in any way.

[AcceptableUserName]

thread has a SERIOUS lack of pics.

[RiverCity.45]

Got my PP Defender model last month in Texas at Academy for $159. My first 12-gauge, and I love it! I put about 100 rounds through it to get a feel for ir. Now it's close at hand, loaded with 00 buck in case I need it.

[MAX100]

Is everything really interchangeable besides the barrel betwen 20ga guns? I'm speaking of the 870 express to the pardner pump. My friend's pardner pump will not take the magazine tube cap that was made for the remington 870 ( he wants a sling). Any suggestions? Would an extended magazine tube remedy this problem?

I don't have any experience with the 20Ga Pardner Pump shotguns but I have read that they are different than the 870 20Ga shotguns. Parts don't interchange.


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[Hunterdad]

I've had a couple. I actually use one as my main waterfowl gun. It has been through hell and back.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/adam11082/ImportedPhotos00209.jpg

I have this one right now beside the bed. I put a wood stock from an 870 on it.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/adam11082/DSCF0732.jpg

This is my old one I traded in a long time ago. The mag ext. was from MAX100. Very good quality!

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/adam11082/untitled2.jpg


MAX100- I've been trying to reach you about a mag ext. for my new pardner.

[50caliber123]

Hunterdad, where did you get the mag cap with the sling swivel?

[Hunterdad]

If you are talking bout the middle picture, it came with the gun. My waterfowl gun didn't come with a stud.

[RevolvingGarbage]

Ive posted pics of my Pardner before, but since this thread does need pics...

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3465/1001419v.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6103/1001420z.jpg

[AcceptableUserName]

(starting to want one)

[Hunterdad]

RevolvingGarbage, where did you get the heatshield and what brand is it?

[RevolvingGarbage]

RevolvingGarbage, where did you get the heatshield and what brand is it?
Its an ATI 870 pattern parkerized heat-shield. I got it from the same shop I bought the gun from (Al's Army/Navy Surplus in Orlando, FL). It was about $30 IIRC.

It wasnt a perfect fit on the gun out of the box. Aside from the standard mounting process, I had to bend the sides of the heat shield in a bit for proper clearance on the forearm, and I had to remove some material from the inside of the forearm to clear the end of the heat shield. It wasnt difficult at all, and it mounts straight and solid.

I painted the whole gun in 500 degree engine enamel, so if the color looks kinda dark for park, thats why.

[chevyforlife21]

they are great guns mine felt better then a 870 express they may be made in china but very well. and i had no jams in 600 rounds

[50caliber123]

I need serious help! I cannot find a way to ut a sling on the 20ga youth mdel pardner pump! I have spent hours online looking for parts and nothing so far. If anyone can chime in with some advice, I would greatly appreciate it.

[Big Bill]

they are great guns mine felt better then a 870 express they may be made in china but very well. and i had no jams in 600 rounds They're chinese knock-offs of the 870. Doesn't that bother anyone else but me? I wouldn't have one just for that reason. I want the real deal - not some damn Chinese copy of a gun engineered and built in America - with american labor.

Our Company

Remington Arms Company, Inc., headquartered in Madison, N.C., designs, produces and sells sporting goods products for the hunting and shooting sports markets, as well as military, government and law enforcement markets. Founded in 1816 in upstate New York, the Company is one of the nation’s oldest continuously operating manufacturers. Remington is the only U.S. manufacturer of both firearms and ammunition products and one of the largest domestic producers of shotguns and rifles. The Company had revenues in 2004 of approximately $393 million and distributes its products throughout the U.S. and in over 55 foreign countries.

http://www.remington.com/sitecore/content/Remington/pages/our-company/our-company.aspx

So, be proud to own your Chinese shotguns. But, don't complain when Chinese slave laborers take your job.

[Mike U.]

They're chinese knock-offs of the 870. Doesn't that bother anyone else but me? I wouldn't have one just for that reason. I want the real deal - not some damn Chinese copy of a gun engineered and built in America - with american labor.

Our Company

Remington Arms Company, Inc., headquartered in Madison, N.C., designs, produces and sells sporting goods products for the hunting and shooting sports markets, as well as military, government and law enforcement markets. Founded in 1816 in upstate New York, the Company is one of the nation’s oldest continuously operating manufacturers. Remington is the only U.S. manufacturer of both firearms and ammunition products and one of the largest domestic producers of shotguns and rifles. The Company had revenues in 2004 of approximately $393 million and distributes its products throughout the U.S. and in over 55 foreign countries.

http://www.remington.com/sitecore/co...r-company.aspx

So, be proud to own your Chinese shotguns. But, don't complain when Chinese slave laborers take your job.

I have both an 870 and an NEF.
Where does that put me in your book, Big Bill?

I find it almost humorous that you are likely typing on a keyboard "made in China".
Typing into a computer where most of the components are probably "made in China".
And quite likely sitting on an office chair also "made in China".
Walk around your house and look at where everything was made.

Let him who has no sin cast the first stone.

[Big Bill]

I have both an 870 and an NEF.
Where does that put me in your book, Big Bill?Mike - I'm not here to judge you. I don't categorize people.I find it almost humorous that you are likely typing on a keyboard "made in China".Well, since I was a Dell technician for some time, all my computers are Dell portables.Typing into a computer where most of the components are probably "made in China".
And quite likely sitting on an office chair also "made in China".
Walk around your house and look at where everything was made.I have looked around and try hard not to purchase anything "made in China". But, that's my choice. I try hard to patronise my LOCAL gunshop instead of buying at Walmart. I also buy my computers from Dell instead of going to COSTCO, etc. And, most of my furniture is custom made by local craftsmen or made in America. Of course, not everything is American made, but I do try. Let him who has no sin cast the first stone.I'm not accusing anyone of commiting a sin and I am not casting stones. I'm just stating the obvious: that some damned communist country is stealing our technology and engineering by making knock-offs of American products; and that some Americans, who can otherwise afford it, just sit back and without thinking support these thieves, because they can save a few dollars.

BTW - I do understand that for many buying a gun is dificult; and, they don't have much in the way of resources. So the ability for them to get a solid gun like a pardner or maverick, for a low price, is a blessing. I'd rather see them armed with a Chinese shotgun than no shotgun at all. And, both guns are obviously good choices.

[jlv08]

First of all, the OP mentioned that this thread was devoted to folks who like

their PP's and the focus was how folks liked their guns. I think it is tasteless

to hijack a thread to berate the gun or the person who buys what ever gun

from what ever source.:cuss: Remington owns H&R and has done nothing to

discontinue these fine shotguns from coming into the USA.

I have owned both shotguns and The 12 Ga. PP I had was a way overbuilt

quality piece that stomped the Remington Express in the ground quality wise

and I make no apologies for that observation. I've owned alot of shotguns

and have repaired my share of them an the PP gives a good account of itself.

If you don't like the gun, get over it. I can assure you that the Chicom's , for those

who fear the Chinese, want no fight with the USA as there are weapons

poised to rain destruction on their country that is unimagineable in power and

scope. I know this because I build these systems.

I haven't visited here in a while due to the ignorance displayed at folks who

merely want to share their joy about their gun of choice.

I like my Pardners and will tell anyone that they are an excellent value for the

money and have just enough differences to make a good gun in their own

right.

To end ,thanks to those who reinforced my conviction to not visit here in a while.

Hopefully I can return to enjoy the forums as I once did, It's just too difficult to hold court at the

level of having my head in the sand.

[Big Bill]

I have owned both shotguns and The 12 Ga. PP I had was a way overbuilt

quality piece that stomped the Remington Express in the ground quality wise

and I make no apologies for that observation. And, it's too damn bad that one unapologetic person can't enjoy their purchase without deprecading someone else's shotgun purchase.

I get sick of people like you telling me that my remington 870s are pieces of crap. A person can only take so much bull!

[Mike U.]

Quote:
I have both an 870 and an NEF.
Where does that put me in your book, Big Bill?
Mike - I'm not here to judge you. I don't categorize people.
Quote:
I find it almost humorous that you are likely typing on a keyboard "made in China".
Well, since I was a Dell technician for some time, all my computers are Dell portables.
Quote:
Typing into a computer where most of the components are probably "made in China".
And quite likely sitting on an office chair also "made in China".
Walk around your house and look at where everything was made.
I have looked around and try hard not to purchase anything "made in China". But, that's my choice. I try hard to patronise my LOCAL gunshop instead of buying at Walmart. I also buy my computers from Dell instead of going to COSTCO, etc. And, most of my furniture is custom made by local craftsmen or made in America. Of course, not everything is American made, but I do try.
Quote:
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone.
I'm not accusing anyone of commiting a sin and I am not casting stones. I'm just stating the obvious: that some damned communist country is stealing our technology and engineering by making knock-offs of American products; and that some Americans, who can otherwise afford it, just sit back and without thinking support these thieves, because they can save a few dollars.

BTW - I do understand that for many buying a gun is dificult; and, they don't have much in the way of resources. So the ability for them to get a solid gun like a pardner or maverick, for a low price, is a blessing. I'd rather see them armed with a Chinese shotgun than no shotgun at all. And, both guns are obviously good choices.


What you've written in post #51 is all well and good.
I agree with your overall sentiments.
However, the whole point of my post was not to point out sin, but rather, hypocrisy.
I simply saw this as a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[contender]

pardner pumps made in china...........

maverick and mossberg gun parts and barrels made in mexico.....and assembled here with the claim "made in USA".........

i don't need a morality lesson on guns and politics......that's just another form of selective gun control while waving the Flag..........

Interesting thread.........i've held off on the pardner pump for a while and keep researching the gun. I like what i hear about the quality.

appreciate all the on-topic responses as it is helpful.......

[jlv08]

The Remington Express shotguns have been lacking in quality as of late and Remington knows this.

Too many folks have been burned on their purchases and I personally have had to fix some of these guns for friends.

Sometime to no avail!

Brand loyalty in alright but not to the point where you, BILL, have to show so much discord with others by hijacking a thread to bullying people about their choice of firearm.

Nothing was stolen in the design of the Pardner and if so, their would be lawsuits out the ying yang regarding their manufacture.

I have had many Remington products over the years and hold them in high regard, but the guns coming out of Big Green lately have been wanting.

It is my right to call , from my hard earned observation, what I see as quality deficiencies in any product when one asks regarding a future purchase.

I was not attacking YOU,BILL, or your choice guns, I was stating and OBSERVATION about a quality product against what used to be the benchmark of products,

You have to take it upon yourself to jump in a thread and muck it up with your opinion and become political.

You do the firearms community no service with your vitriol and I choose not to join your hate club regarding ones choice of shotgun they desire to buy.

If you need to vent, YELL at REMINGTON!


They are bringing in Pardner Pumps and selling them as fast as they hit the stores.

I hope you are satisfied now, BILL, as you probably are gloating in your smug complacency with your effort to rob folks of their joy in sharing about a gun of choice.:fire:

[Big Bill]

Brand loyalty in alright but not to the point where you, BILL, have to show so much discord with others by hijacking a thread to bullying people about their choice of firearm.I'm sorry if this is in fact what happened. I was reacting to all the negative comments about the Remigton that IMHO were unwarranted. Why can't a favorite gun thread like this be just that without sniping at another gun? Do some of your people who posted in this thread feel you have to build up your particulat choice of guns by tearing down someone elses?I hope you are satisfied now, BILL, as you probably are gloating in your smug complacency with your effort to rob folks of their joy in sharing about a gun of choice. This wasn't my intention at all; and, I'm sorry that you feel that it was.

jlv08 - the thing I can't understand, in what you have said, is this: Why didn't all those people you have helped with their 870s just send them back in to Remington? They do have a warranty - right? If something goes wrong with my new 870, that I just got for Christmas, I'll send it back to Remington for repair.

Again, I apologize to Big D for hijacking his thread. I failed to see that, that was what I did. I guess I just have to accept the fact that my wife gave me a piece of junk Remington for Christmas.

[jlv08]

Bill, my remarks were not to belittle Remingtons per se as I've seen more good than bad in my time and have worked on some for friends who did not want to hassle with shipping them back for repair.

The guns from Remington that have been the ones that have had bad reports and the ones handled by me were some made as of late.

The earlier guns (Expresses) are great guns and I know some guys who hunt over dogs beating deer out of the thickets here in Tidewater that love'em.

And for damn good reason. They are as reliable as gravity!

I just wanted to draw a comparison between the Pardner, let's say is an orange, compared to an Express ( recent manufacture) which is a grapefruit.

Both are price point guns and both have their virtues.

The Pardners get slammed because they are chinese built guns, are similar in construction to the venerable 870, and little is known about the quality due to recent importation.

I was skeptical when I bought mine but it has proven it self over time and works like a charm. (So do my SKS rifles,but that's another topic.)

I have nothing but good to say about the guns I bought from NEF as they are a good bargain and are very well constructed straight out of the box.

I just am not concerned as others about the "China Syndrome" that causes such a meltdown between posters and foments hard feelings.

When folks start a thread inquiring about the NEF shotgun, some folks chime in negatively and the topic turns sour.

I'm all for folks buying what ever makes their socks roll up and down and I simply rate a firearm on it's merits, as was the case with the Pardner Pump.

I"M NOT THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON THIS ISSUE! I just rendered and observation based on my experience.

I did not mean to imply ALL 870's are junk, just some as of late have not been up to the quality standards that we, as consumers, have come to know and trust.

I hope that your shotgun is up the the great quality standard that Remington is known for and you don't have a hunt ruined by a malfunction due to poor quality.

And if you think I was berating your gun, I wasn't. I hope I did not offend you and am offering and olive branch and an apology for my part in the negative "air' that I may have given regarding this topic.

[Big Bill]

jlv08 - great post. I certainly have no hard feelings. In fact, I am glad you said what you did.

BTW, I disassembled my 870 this morning to clean it and test for functionality before going out to shoot it. Everything went well until I tried to insert 6 cartridges into the magazine. It stopped dead at 5 rounds. So, I disassembled it checked it and reassembled it again several times without any success. I finally had to take some fine grit sandpaper and do some work where the extention tube meets the magazine. I also had to sand off the plastic magazine follower a little. And, now it is finally accepting all 6 rounds.

So, I'm thinking that maybe next time, I'll try a Pardner Pump! :) BTW, thanks to the OP for a great discussion. I'm glad this thread is hear; because, I've learned a bunch.

[ahpd1992]

So, no pictures of Big Bill's PP I guess?

Sorry, but I couldn't resist ;)

[Big Bill]

I'll post the pictures of my PP here, as soon as I get one. :) And, BTW, I'm lookin forward to it.

[Hunterdad]

I really enjoy seeing the debate between the PP and 870's. Great points have been made and I would like to share my recent run-ins with both guns.

Let it be known, I am a huge Remington fan and own several of them, including a 1972 Wingmaster which doesnt even compare to any express's or PP.

I bought a PP for HD purposes and built it for an HD gun. It served me well, never had a problem but I couldnt get around the fact that is was made in China. I sold it about 5 months later and bought an 870. Cleaned it up and took it out for a duck hunt. What a dissapointment! It wouldnt cycle at all and ruined my hunt. Took it home, cleaned it and then tried to shoot it again with little luck. I gave it to a buddy of mine as a gift. I then went out and bought another one. It had the same issues and the fit/finish was downright awful. So I sold it and bought an APG camo PP and it has been through hell and back (even took duty as a boat oar)and I have never had any issues with it and it has over 1000 rds through it. I loved it so much I went back out and bought another PP for HD and haven't looked back. As long as it does what I want/expect it to do, I can get over the fact it was made in China.

[jlv08]

There in lies it's beauty. I was very skeptical myself, but I've worked with

metals all my life and am schooled in machine trades. I drew on my

experience and really looked the Pardner Pump over well the day I

encountered it in the shop I purchased it from.

I got it home and cleaned out the preservative, carried it out to fire a few rounds and came back with a big grin on my face.

I am of the same breed when it comes to Items of import but the Pardner is a good little gun ( I'm referencing my 20Ga. compact).

I had a 12 Ga. and it was heavy and a bud liked it alot and he's the owner now and reports no problems.

My 20 will do all I ask it to with the right ammo. I am a bit loathe to use it for a boat paddle though! LOL!:p

[Hunterdad]

I haven't heard much about the 20's. I was thinking about picking one up for the wife. I'll have to check those out.

[jlv08]

The Pardner pump compact is a smaller frame version of the 12 ga. It is a robustly built shotgun that has a 21"bbl. and is matte blued finish with real walnut stock,

All steel construction with machined aluminum trigger housing.

What drew me to mine was the barrel length, blued finish and nice walnut figuring.

It looks real good for a field grade shotgun and the price was right.

The 12 I had was a beast. It was a little on the heavy side for me but shot well, patterned well and did not have any hangups of any kind right out of the box.

The Compact is a nicely sized shotgun and just fits me right.

I don't feel the least undergunned with a 20 ga. for field use and it would do great for HD if I do my part.

My wife is 5'!' in stocking feet and the length of pull was a little long for her petite size.

She handled a 410 single and it made her eyes twinkle.

It's within her reach should she need it for the "bump in the night" along with a 5 shot .38 special.

I work nights and I like to keep her armed with what she is comfy with and she does good with both .

[50caliber123]

jlv08, have you been able to find any replacement parts/accessories for your PP compact in 20ga? A buddy of mine has one, and it seems that in 20ga, 870 parts don't interchange.

[tango3065]

Just curious, do these say made in China on them??

[MAX100]

The Pardner Pump & Hawk 982 has on the receiver: Made in China By Hawk Ind.


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[tango3065]

Just curious, I wouldn't stray from my 2 870's.

[jlv08]

I haven't found any accessories and haven't really looked, the truth be told.

I have to confess a little ignorance here because I ,if you'll forgive my anolgy, wasn't trying to put ,let's say Ford parts on a Chevy.:rolleyes:

I did not think Remington parts were compatable with the NEF design.

I wasn't aware of any aftermarket items that would fit and to this day, it wasn't my desire to add to the shotguns as they are fine in their stock form.

IMHO!

I believe Max100 can fill you in on accessories and He seems to be an A-O-K fellow and is up to speed with that kind of thing.

I liked my Pardners just the way they came.

I guess I might not be up with the times but my mindset, with decently honed skills, is just fine with a plain jane short barrelled shotgun.

I have a 12ga. with a 20" barrell and the Pardner Pump in 21 " barrel and sundry items of goblin doom in the hacienda.

Box stock is cool with me.:)

To add ,they are definitely marked MADE IN CHINA BY HAWK IND. Not yelling, it's just how it is marked.

[[Pb]]

This thread encouraged me to go order a Pardner Protector at Bi-Mart for $179, hopefully I'll have it soon. (NW shooters, Bi Mart has some of the best prices around on new guns and ammo.)

I don't care where it's made if it's good. Hopefully everyone will buy Chinese 870's and make Remington suffer for letting their QC on the Express slip.

[Big Bill]

Personally, I don't think I could ever get over that "MADE IN CHINA BY HAWK IND" stamp on the gun. I'm just too set in my ways change.

[jlv08]

I have to say I respect your feelings, It took me a while to get past the made in China as well, but I am happy nonetheless.

If you should change your mind, you still wind up ok as these are good shotguns.

Again, I do respect your opinion and have enjoyed the lively debate about these Pardners.

Just a side note, I'm starting to purchase some of their single barrels and hope to have one of all of the gauges.

I still have that kid in me that loves that style of shotgun.:D

[Big Bill]

It has been a great discussion - thanks for that. Maybe I'll get one for my SIL. :)

[rustycrusty]

Just a little humor here. The Mexicans who were making bowling balls for Brunswick after they(bruns.) moved their manufacture from USA to mexico
arescreaming bloody murder 'cause Brunswick just moved the factory to China. Pretty soon everything will be made in China, and we'll all be their debtors!:cuss:

[[Pb]]

Well, my Pardner Protector came in today. Haven't shot it, but looks good so far... :)

[jmortimer]

Went to get a shotgun and the guy at the store I go to recommended the Pardner Pump so after the idiotic 10 day wait here in Kalifornia I will pick it up. He said they sell a ton of them, never had one come back, and said it was worth every penny - $ 200.00 - So a Pardner "Protector" it is. After I got back went on internet and saw noting but good reviews/comments about the gun except for the Chi -Com stuff. I buy American when ever I can and If H&R/Marlin/Remmington/...... want to have a gun with their respected name on it as a U.S. company then so be it. Some of the cry baby comments have likely come from people who drive Dodge -MADE IN MEXICO- trucks - manufactured by Frogs and UAW flaks and obama. So what is better, a non-union Toyota truck made in America or a FROG/UAW/obama Dodge made in Mexico? Don't care - just want to get the protector and put a Burris Fullfield II on it. The "red dot" will cost as much as the gun but I won't miss. Now I'm thinking about an 982. Will see.

[[Pb]]

I finally got out to shoot my new Pardner Protector shotgun today. I am happy with my purchase and think it will work well for what I want- a reliable, cheap, HD/beater gun. I would post pictures but it looks pretty boring. I payed $187 OTD with $10 background check.

Overall I would rate it as follows...

Fit/finish: 6/10. NOT anything to write home about, I had it in a humid environment for a few days and it developed surface rust almost everywhere. My Beretta Cougar, OTOH, was fine.

Overall function: 8/10. It cycles easily, shoots fine, recoil is mild. I had a Remington 870 express to compare to and they do the same thing and feel essentially the same. The 870 was $300.

Ease of cleaning/dis-assembly: 6/10. It was pretty easy to take apart, but I would recommend using a channel-lox on the magazine tube nut, it works its way loose during firing.

Durability: 8/10. I haven't had it very long, but everything is made out of steel and shouldn't break within the bounds of reason. Stock is plastic and doesn't look fragile at all.

Price: 10/10. You really can't do better.


Overall.... well if you buy it I'm sure it will do just fine. It doesn't feel or point anywhere near as good as my Beretta AL2, and it isn't pretty, but if you are buying a gun with an 18" barrel and a long magazine, that's a given. Since my HD gun isn't going to be very useful for hunting or skeet, I don't see the need to buy something nice, just something functional. YMMV

[MAX100]

A Parkerized finish should be soak in oil or grease for a few days to make it rust resistant and more durable. Heat it with a hair dryer to speed up the process.

There is nothing pretty about a parkerized finish but it provides much more surface protection than a blue finish when properly treated. It will soak up oil like a sponge and hold it.

The protector is a utility defense shotgun, it's not suppose to be pretty.

GC

[[Pb]]

All the same, my Beretta handgun and my AR-15 have WAY better parkerizing. Not complaining, just calling it like I see it.

[rockheadd]

I've pretty well decided to get one after reading way too much about a good HD shotty. I want a Saiga 12, but given the cost after converting it and whatnot, I think the Protector will do just fine.
Has anyone installed an ATI Shotforce stock or any other accessories on their PPP that they really like or really dislike? I read that these things kick like a mule...
It's going to be purely a home defense weapon, so would a flashlight, laser or anything else make good sense from a cost/benefit viewpoint?
Thanks in advance

[jmortimer]

I going to add a Pentax Game Seeker Red Dot $ 69.00 for 24 hour utility. It seems to be the best Red Dot for the $$$. Bottom line - these guns are worth every penny.

[Shpadoinkel]

I'm loving my Protector. Absolutely flawless operation.
I've fought one too many "Buy Amer'kin!" battles in the past, so I'll stay out of this one.

Before (out of the box)
http://i47.tinypic.com/20g1pvo.jpg


After (Knoxx stock and forend)
http://i47.tinypic.com/se0xs9.jpg

She's not going to win a beauty contest any time soon but she goes 'BOOM' every time she's asked.

I'm planning on getting an extra barrel for skeet. It's just so fun to shoot.

[[Pb]]

Recoil is not bad at all. It comes with a thick rubber pad and 3" Mags Are fine for me. I wouldn't bother with accessories. A red dot on an 18" shotgun is way more precision than you need, unless you are trying to shoot slugs at 50+ yards.

[Shpadoinkel]

I agree with Pb, the recoil on these aren't bad at all. The butt pad out of the box is better than a lot of after market pads. Nothing to worry about at all.
The only reason I got a Knoxx is because it's an HD gun that my wife may have to use in my absence. We have drastically different LOP's, I'm almost all the way out, she's all the way in, so the Knoxx works well for us. The added benefit of reduced recoil for her is a bonus. She's a fairly girly girl, so any reduction in recoil will help her. But for an average guy, it's very manageable.

I'm not a fan of red dots on shotty's, but it's just a preference thing. In my house a flash light makes much more sense. I have a flashlight and a mount, I just need to pick up a longer screw to make it work. Once I do, I'll post an updated picture.

[[Pb]]

In my house a flash light makes much more sense. I have a flashlight and a mount, I just need to pick up a longer screw to make it work. Once I do, I'll post an updated picture.

I was thinking of doing this as well... any recommendations for something cheap and bright that doesn't use weird batteries?

[Shpadoinkel]

I got this LED flashlight, works great.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ekhtFXM%2BL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

I have never seen a brighter LED light. It’s so bright I would actually consider it my first line of defense. You get hit right in the eyes in a dark room (something I accidentally did to myself in the attic one day), you won’t be seeing anything for the next 30 seconds. The main beam BRIGHT with a secondary cone beam that helps light up the room as well.

Can’t beat the price, they come in a package of two for $30 (Sams Club). I plan on keeping one on the night stand and one on the Protector. It takes 3 AAA batteries (included), so no weird battery packs or charging to worry about.

The flashlight is 1” diameter which is what most shotty flashlight mounts are made for. I’ve already spaced it out and it fits right on the end of the mag tube. Its on/off switch is on the back cap which is perfect for this placement. With my left hand on the forend, my thumb is right there by the switch.

If you Google it you may find that there were some problems with the battery assembly breaking fairly easily but these issues were resolved about a year ago. I haven’t had any problem with mine so I think I might have gotten one of the first batch of new ones. Even if it breaks, reports are that the customer service is great. Just tell them something broke and they send you a new one, no questions asked (note: I haven’t had to do this, it’s just what I heard). And at $15/per… I’m not all that worried about having to buy a replacement.

The mount I got was just a simple ATI mount. It’s used to either reinforce a mag extension to the barrel or (and it says this right on the package) to attached a 1” diameter flashlight to the mag tube. Only problem is, at least on the Protector, the bolt that comes with it isn’t long enough to use for the flashlight setup. I just haven’t had a chance to go to Home Depot to get a replacement that’s about a 1/8 inch longer.

While I admit I haven't yet actually shot the gun with the flashlight on and attached, I have dropped it multiple times on hardwood floors from a considerable distance (8+ feet) and it didn't so much as flicker. I think it'll be fine.

Even if you don’t put one on your gun, I highly recommend these flashlights.

[50caliber123]

anyone ever find where to get replacement parts for 20ga pardner pumps? The ogauges other than 12 seem to not be interchangeable with 870 parts.

[jlv08]

I have the Pardner Pump Compact, it has the 21" barrell and walnut stock and forearm. It's as pretty as a speckled pup and I can't think of anything I would want to change on it other than the type of shotshells it shoots.:)

When I bought my Pardners, I did so after seeing that they were built just the way I figured a field shotgun should be built.

I had not considered the aftermarket accessories because it's good to go as it is.

Truth be told, I did not even care for aftermarket stuff for this gun because I did not think that there was any compatibility with anything but NEF stuff.


But hey, what do I know?:D

[[Pb]]

Cool, I'll see if I can snag one of those K2 lights. 150 lumens should be more than enough :eek:


Question about those Knoxx pistol grip stocks.. isn't it hard to reach the pump release while holding a pistol grip?

[Shpadoinkel]

;6204740']Cool, I'll see if I can snag one of those K2 lights. 150 lumens should be more than enough :eek:


Question about those Knoxx pistol grip stocks.. isn't it hard to reach the pump release while holding a pistol grip?
While it’s not quite as 'natural' to hit the release as with the standard stock, you can still reach it without changing hand position. You just have to pivot your wrist a little bit, at least I do.
Not an issue at all for me.

[BCCL]

I've got two NEF Pardner's, a .20 gauge and a .12 "Protector".

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe/Gun%20Collection/New%20England%20Firearms/NEFPardner.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe/Gun%20Collection/New%20England%20Firearms/NEFPadnerProtector.jpg

Both are rock solid and have never given me a trace of trouble.

Trust me, her last words were not "HAHA, you can't get me with that imported shotgun"...
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe/2009%20Deer%20Hunt/Deer.jpg

[FMJMIKE]

Great looking shotguns !!!

[jlv08]

I love my 20 ga. compact! I know some folks can't get past the made in China aspect, but it's just a nice shotgun and i can't find any faults with it.

I especially like the walnut, I would oil the finnish,as has Max100 advises.

I have had no rust issues at all and I used breakfree CLP for getting the finish oiled up. It seems to soak into the matte finish

Great Photos!

[jmortimer]

Just picked up my Pardner Protector. Aside from the obvious, how can H&R/Marlin/Remmington sell that gun for $200.00 I'll never know. I had a Mossberg 590 with GRS and yes it was a nice gun but I could buy two of these and have some $$$ left over compared to the 590. The Pardner Protector is every bit as nice as the 590. Inspected it carefully - very impressed. Still intending to get the Pentax Game Seeker Red Dot for $69.00 because I like to shoot slugs.