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trigun87
August 8, 2009, 06:04 AM
Well Im getting a license as such and I dont have a full size service 9mm(law limits to 9mm) . I was wondering what are some great service pistols other than Glock 17, dont get me wrong I have a Glock 26 and love it for ccw. What are some other options you guys would choose? Any suggestions would be apreciated.

BTW looking for south of $500-

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zombienerd
August 8, 2009, 06:44 AM
I'm a fan of the Ruger SR9. 17+1 Capacity, striker fired, polymer frame, stainless slide, about $400 brand new.

You can also get 1911's in 9mm, always a good choice. Price may be above what you're looking for, I've never priced a 9mm 1911.

Springfield XD's are quite popular. Can be had for under $500 new.

Edit: Can't forget the Beretta 92 / M9. You probably won't find a new one for sub-$500, but a nice used model can be had in that price range.

trigun87
August 8, 2009, 06:52 AM
Hows the sr9's track record?

armoredman
August 8, 2009, 06:53 AM
SR9 was recalled once, thinks it's OK now. A decent CZ75 can be had about that price range, I suspect. The new P07 is just over 4400, as well, 16 round mag.

THE DARK KNIGHT
August 8, 2009, 07:09 AM
First things first, find out what company you might be interested in working for and their policies. That will help decide what gun you can carry for the company in addition to whatever restrictions the law places on you as well.

Many security companies require semi-autos be double action only, and have a barrel 4" or longer, no lasers or lights, and no external safety or decocker levers. And for revolvers it's usually 4" and bobbed hammer. This is not a law, but companies, like mine, have found that many people who carry guns for duty are not familiar with how to use them and thus force employees to keep it simple as possible to prevent incidents. I'm a supervisor at an armored car company. Today I watched a guy unload a S&W revolver by holding it barrel to the ceiling and shaking it violently. I had to walk over and show him how to press the extractor rod to remove the bullets. We've had 3 negligent discharges this year, one resulting in an injury. There are many, many boneheads who wind up in security unfortunately. Sigh. The gun you choose might have to comply with company regulations like these.

If you're not sure what company you might be working for, just get a Glock 17, 19, Springfield XD, Ruger or S&W DAO semi auto like the Ruger SR9 or P95DAO, or a revolver like the GP100 or S&W 65, 66, 686 that will comply to company regulations should there be any.

SigP229R
August 8, 2009, 10:13 AM
I have the following in 9mm and they are all great pistols. Beretta 92f, Sig P6, S&W 5903TSW all PD trade ins and all for less than $500.00. They are all great pistols.

atomd
August 9, 2009, 12:25 PM
I think you're on the right track with the G17. There's a ton of holsters available for those which is always nice. The XD is a good choice too and has a fair amount of options available. I really like the CZ75B but there's not much in the way of accessories out there for them. The SR9 hasn't been out long enough to really get a good idea about long term reliability.

If you're going to be carrying it for that many hours weight plays a big part too. most Sigs and CZ75s are fairly heavy guns. If you go with SIG I'd look at the SP2022. The P250 is out there too but it's new and I've seen some complaints out there. The 1911 in 9mm first of all is going to be hard to find for $500, heavy, and also they seem to be generally considered not as reliable in 9mm as they are in .45ACP. The CZ P07 duty looks like it would pretty good but it's a new model and a bit more compact.

James T Thomas
August 9, 2009, 03:09 PM
Perhaps start saving now an extra $200, and consider the Colt 1911 in 9mm option.

CZ is good also.

RatDrall
August 9, 2009, 03:38 PM
If you have a Glock 26, why not get a Glock 17? Both guns can use the Glock 17 magazines. The Glock is, by far, the highest quality gun you will find for less than $500.

sd
August 9, 2009, 04:20 PM
find out what is allowed for carry, SA,DA,DAO, ect. , then look here
http://www.best9mm.com/

Mags
August 9, 2009, 04:33 PM
Glock 19

THE DARK KNIGHT
August 9, 2009, 05:47 PM
No point in recommending the 1911. I am yet to see a security company that allows the carry of single action pistols.

stoveboltgunnut
August 9, 2009, 08:09 PM
XD9 service, or a glock 19

Logos
August 9, 2009, 08:37 PM
Glock 19......your 26 can use the same high cap mags.

THE DARK KNIGHT
August 9, 2009, 08:39 PM
high cap mags.

tsk tsk

Nalioth is gonna be pissed

hardluk1
August 9, 2009, 08:41 PM
Trigun87 First I am not a fan of the glock but you allready own one and i assume you are comfortable shootin it. Those glocks do have a grip angle that is different from most guns and that can cause you to have some problems with what should be a natural point of your glock you now have. Pick up a 1911 or cz and point it with your eyes closed and you will find that the gun is pointing at the floor?? just something to think about. You already know the feel ,trigger pull and basic operateing of the glock ,buy a full size . Clips will enterchange to your old one too.

kmrcstintn
August 9, 2009, 08:45 PM
even though I am not a fan of their grip angle, I recommend a Glock 17...

...hhhmmm; why you ask?

they are everywhere, have wide acceptance, and every tom, dick, and harry makes or sells accessories for them;

you want one @ $500 and less...Gander Mountain seems to get their hands on bucketfuls at a time of police trade-ins and factory refurbished Glocks that usually sell for @ $449

Taurus_9mm
August 9, 2009, 09:07 PM
For me, the Ruger P95.

www.gunnerforum.com

Blue Brick
August 9, 2009, 09:33 PM
Ruger KP-89D!

Blue Brick
August 9, 2009, 09:34 PM
Or Ruger P95DPR15

Quoheleth
August 10, 2009, 09:00 PM
If you can carry a revolver, JGSales has Smith Model 64s (stainless version of model 10) for $250. Since these were probably police or security officer trade in, they would be in a familiar field of service :p. For $250, you can get a LOT of ammo for practice...

Couple other options not yet mentioned are Taurus PT92 (all steel and very reliable & affordable) or Beretta 92 police trade-in.

Q

searcher451
August 11, 2009, 03:25 PM
The Walther P99 is worth a good look; and if you shop carefully, you can find them south of your $500 limit. I'd recommend the AS trigger configuration, but the nice thing about the Walthers is that you have a choice in both the trigger and the size of the backstrap you select to best fit your hand. It's tough to beat a Walther, IMO.

Defense Minister
August 11, 2009, 08:57 PM
You owe it to yourself to check out the Smith & Wesson M&P9. It may not be for you, but I love my M&Ps.

AKElroy
August 11, 2009, 09:06 PM
+1 G19; I love the CZ 85 I just picked up this weekend, but you will have a MUCH easier time finding a range of holsters & gear or the Glock. If I had to belt carry everyday, it would be the Glock. CZ 75/85's are heavy.

razorback2003
August 12, 2009, 02:53 AM
Glocks are pretty good, especially if you can find a good clean used one at a gun store. A lot of police trade in 9mm's are cropping up at stores and shows. A glock 19 or 17 would be a perfect complement to your Glock 26. Another option would be a nice used 4 inch S&W used 38/357 model 64. It is the stainless model of the M&P 10. Those shouldn't break your budget either. If you don't like the trigger, you can send it to S&W for an action job. S&W stands behind their products.

Gordon
August 12, 2009, 03:02 AM
Saw a local add for an armed guard for a Marijuana Buyers club in a local town. ***, narcs used to shoot those guys! My times have changed! I am actually thinking about it though. I'd use a Glock 17 with a light and Safariland holster to fit the combo, with my old G-26 for a bug. Two spare mags and a taser for the 'don't tase me bro." crowd.

Five-O
August 12, 2009, 03:42 AM
Dark Knight said: Today I watched a guy unload a S&W revolver by holding it barrel to the ceiling and shaking it violently

Are you serious? :eek: You have an employee that does not know such a simple action? Why is he working there? In this rough economic times when so many people out of work, the company can't find someone that knows simple gun safety rules?
I'd watch out for this guy.
And I'd stay far away from him if I saw him handling a hand gun.
Just curious, but is there some kind of gun training involved after hire? Maybe he's never even fired a gun.

Bass Killer
August 12, 2009, 07:43 PM
Glock

Erik
August 13, 2009, 01:13 AM
True full size? Glock 17. The Glock 19 would be my preference though; big enough for effective fighting and small enough for practical uniformed and plain-clothes carrying.

THE DARK KNIGHT
August 13, 2009, 02:13 AM
Are you serious? You have an employee that does not know such a simple action? Why is he working there? In this rough economic times when so many people out of work, the company can't find someone that knows simple gun safety rules?
I'd watch out for this guy.
And I'd stay far away from him if I saw him handling a hand gun.
Just curious, but is there some kind of gun training involved after hire? Maybe he's never even fired a gun.

For all the gun control laws NJ has, and all the the procedures applying for the permit, the only gun related part of the process is qualification, which is shooting at 7, 15, and 25 yards standing, slow fire, 50 rounds. Nowhere during the process is anything from gun basics to situational awareness taught. As far as the company's training, about an hour and a half on a saturday afternoon explaining the basics. Maybe 15% of employees have attended.

lebowski
August 13, 2009, 08:36 AM
Sounds like G19 is the obvious choice for you.

TexasBill
August 13, 2009, 08:52 AM
What the heck: Check out the FNP-9 from FN-Herstal. It's a very good gun, comes with two extra magazines and runs about $550.00 NIB. Duty holsters are available from Safariland.

gidaeon
August 13, 2009, 09:23 AM
How about a full size third gen Smith and Wesson? ala 5906 or 5904 ? 17rd mags from mecgar. Rock solid guns. Good enough for Canadian mounties hehe, past LAPD, and countless LEO agencies before they went to newer polymer wonder guns.

Plus they can be found for a truly excellent price.

kmrcstintn
August 14, 2009, 08:39 PM
Quote:
Are you serious? You have an employee that does not know such a simple action? Why is he working there? In this rough economic times when so many people out of work, the company can't find someone that knows simple gun safety rules?
I'd watch out for this guy.
And I'd stay far away from him if I saw him handling a hand gun.
Just curious, but is there some kind of gun training involved after hire? Maybe he's never even fired a gun.

For all the gun control laws NJ has, and all the the procedures applying for the permit, the only gun related part of the process is qualification, which is shooting at 7, 15, and 25 yards standing, slow fire, 50 rounds. Nowhere during the process is anything from gun basics to situational awareness taught. As far as the company's training, about an hour and a half on a saturday afternoon explaining the basics. Maybe 15% of employees have attended. :eek::eek::eek:

uuummm...which security company is this and are they confined to New Jersey?!? if they come over state lines I want to stay as far away from them as possible

inSight-NEO
August 15, 2009, 10:41 PM
Ever consider the Springfield Armory XD-9? It has developed a very strong following and has maintained a solid reputation regarding quality, durability, accuracy and price.

I have the XD-45ACP and its essentially a small tank. ;) Plus, their CS department is first rate, which is always a bonus these days.

Supertac45
August 16, 2009, 12:12 PM
Sig 226 or 229.

gripper
August 16, 2009, 04:40 PM
I amabout to start up[ with an armed contract again myself....FPS is the client agency/contact;with the work being at the FAA.They actually specify wheel guns in .38(110grain +p hps),we qualified with and were issued blued GP100's in .38 w/4 inch tubes.To be honest,that scary unloading procedure one of you mentioned had ME spilling my coffee-THAT is some freaky stuff.
Personally,I wish I could carry ny ownstuff (Glock17),but in my case it is more due to the fact that NOBODY seems to have .38 amm at retail ( fo rpractice-we have to requalify in october),yet I can still find reasonable deals on WWB9mm at Beijingmart(10-11 dollars a box).My parteners and I are down to ordering up some S&B .38's in bulk lots from CheaperThan Dirt(no truth in advertising these days!).
To the OP-you own and carry a 26-might as well take the adviceof others here and score a 19 or a 17.

THE DARK KNIGHT
August 17, 2009, 05:25 AM
uuummm...which security company is this and are they confined to New Jersey?!? if they come over state lines I want to stay as far away from them as possible

We operate in like thirty-something states.

gripper
August 17, 2009, 03:41 PM
Perchance would it be Loomis Fargo???

THE DARK KNIGHT
August 17, 2009, 04:17 PM
Perchance would it be Loomis Fargo???

Not Loomis but we are an armored car company.

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