[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Anyone make such a thing? Rifle stock and about a 11-12" bbl. Does not implicate federal SBR laws, being a traditional / sidelock muzzleloader. Make mine a 12 or 10 ga, double triggers of course. Perfect home defense gun where firearms are banned, for whatever reason?

[Cosmoline]

I've seen so-called canoe guns like that, but what you're describing sounds like a Pedersoli Howdah 20 ga. mounted in a Kodiak stock. I believe that would be pretty easy to do, since they're built off the same patterns. Or you could find a double kit and have the barrels cut down to size.

[madcratebuilder]

Anyone make such a thing? Rifle stock and about a 11-12" bbl. Does not implicate federal SBR laws, being a traditional / sidelock muzzleloader. Make mine a 12 or 10 ga, double triggers of course. Perfect home defense gun where firearms are banned, for whatever reason?

There is no Federal SBR law for muzzle loaders. Muzzle loaders are considered non firearms by Fed law.
Sounds like you want a Howdah pistol like this one from Pedersoli.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/howdah0001.jpg
Not the 10-12 ga you want, but well get the job done. You could cut down a BP muzzle loading shot gun to any barrel length you want.

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Right. That's what I said; doesn't implicate federal law at all. But no I don't want a Howdah pistol, I want a Howdah rifle, as mentioned; thanks guys; I'll look into it!

[mcdonl]

Dr. Tad... you probably know this, but sense I just learned it I will share...

I was interested (Still am) in a Howdah Pistol, and learned that the Howdah is the basket that is ontop of an elephant used for transport. These guns would be used to fend off against attacks from lions and such. Cabela's catelog writers said that anyway. I saw no reason to look into it further.

Neat guns.

[Jim Watson]

Agree with the above. You could have a muzzleloading double shotgun (or rifle) shortened to any length that suited you and be legal under federal law. It would be smart to check state law before you applied the hacksaw.

I have seen pictures of howdah pistols with attachable buttstocks. Getting one installed on the Pedersoli with style and strength would be a sizeable project, though.

[Macgille]

There is no such animal as a howdah rifle. Double barreled pistols were sometimes carried by hunters when riding in a howdah on the back of an elephant. The pistol was large caliber smoothbore used to defend against the attack of a tiger. Rifles were whatever the client wanted to use, but were not called howdah rifles. The pistols were of different makers and there were no standards. Calling a rifle a howdah rifle is like calling a rifle a truck gun. It is a generic term and has no real meaning.

Double barrreled rifles were called double rifles and triple barreled guns were called drillings. The bottom barrel was often a shotgun.

[Cosmoline]

I think he knows that, he just wants to make one. If you put a howdah barrel assembly into a Kodiak stock you'll have one.

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

That's what I'm talking about, yes. Wonder if it will just "drop in", as it were.....

[cdet69]

wasn't there a segment on guns and ammo describing a howda rifle? it was not to long ago as i remember.

[Cosmoline]

Wonder if it will just "drop in", as it were.....

I think the underlugs may be different but I've had several Kodiaks and they really look like the Howdahs. I'm sure they're off the same patterns.

[cane]

This website has some interesting options: http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/index.shtml

[higene]

In one of his books Sam Fadala is hunting with a real short barreled shotgun. Sitting Fox has blunderbusses for reasonable prices and I believe that Track of the Wolf (or maybe Jedediah Star) has a Dixie double 12 for $500 (a good candidate and a few short strokes from where you want to be as I understand it). Sitting Fox also has blanket gun kits which are a single barrel along the same lines.

Show us some pictures when you get something going.

Higene

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