What do weapons mean to you?


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Drjones
January 18, 2003, 09:44 PM
Call them whatever you want: tools, swords, guns, weapons, "evil" things, etc.

What do they symbolize to you?

The other day I was at a local store checking out some lever-action rifles, and while holding it I just felt, well, "Free" for lack of a better word.

I love weapons of all sorts because to me they symbolize freedom, self-reliance, and independence, just to name a few.

And of course the fact that slaves, subjects, peasants and serfs do not own guns. Free men do.

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amprecon
January 18, 2003, 09:44 PM
LIFE

Dennis Olson
January 18, 2003, 09:45 PM
What amp said. That and the "chance to survive if..."

Lennyjoe
January 18, 2003, 10:17 PM
Hanguns are a way of protecting life.

Rifles and Shotguns are a way to provide life sustaining nutrition.

As are bow and arrows.

Of course recreation is a vital part of lifes enjoyment too;)

Standing Wolf
January 18, 2003, 10:26 PM
Firearms don't symbolize or stand for anything to me. Some are well designed, well made, beautiful objects in and of themselves; others are more utilitarian; they're all, however, the means by which I pursue my lifelong quest for accuracy, exercise my Second Amendment civil rights, and—I hope not!—defend my life and property.

Don45cal
January 18, 2003, 10:28 PM
Freedom from opression. Freedom to Protect Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness!!

Plus they are fun!!!!:neener: :neener: :neener: :neener:

Marshall
January 18, 2003, 10:28 PM
All guns give me a tremendous felling and sense of history with all it entails, past, present and future.

In the future, as well as the present but, especially in the future, your guns will tell a tale, just as the old guns we see today. They will speak of their time and their owner.


Marshall

AR-10
January 18, 2003, 10:29 PM
Weapons are for attacking things.

Firearms give me a sense of freedom and self reliance, hours of pleasure as recreational tools, provide interesting topics to discuss with my friends. Plus I can attack things.

Tamara
January 18, 2003, 10:37 PM
Mostly?

A smoking hole in my bank account. :D



Seriously, though, they symbolize my right to resist coercion. All the peripheral uses (hunting, collecting, target shooting) are swell, but, push come to shove, it's all about being able to make sure that other people have to deal with you as humans, using reason, rather than as animals using force.

To paraphrase an Oleg poster: "My (hunting rifle/target gun/ antique revolver/collectable knife/fencing foil) is only safe so long as my (battle rifle/CCW pistol/"social" shotgun/fighting knife/war sword) protects it."

KMKeller
January 18, 2003, 10:40 PM
Freedom

Capital Punishment
January 18, 2003, 10:42 PM
Security. Not just for me, but others i happen to be around.

coonan357
January 18, 2003, 10:44 PM
I am with Don45 on this one !! but they do tend to eat up money ...:cuss:

Blackhawk
January 18, 2003, 10:46 PM
You put it well, Drjones.

Born to strife, I've always been inclined to be weapons aware, whether that's a rock, pointy object, stick, or whatever. Call them weapons of opprotunity or necessity.

However, dedicated weapons have a different cachet -- sort of like the right wrench instead of a pair of pliers.

Dedicated weapons are also limited to narrower purposes, so the old need for keeping an eye out for weapons of opportunity survives unabated within me.

4v50 Gary
January 18, 2003, 10:50 PM
Tax write offs (to an extent) that are fun to play with.

BerettaNut92
January 18, 2003, 10:50 PM
Depends what time of day or day of the week it is.

Saturday mornings, they're competition thingies that I blame for my lousy shooting.
Saturday afternoon, they're tasks, cuz I gotta clean 'em!
At nights they're around for making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, and during the weekdays I miss them and wish I were home to fondle them!

Calamity Jane
January 18, 2003, 10:58 PM
I cannot improve upon how Dennis answered this question on TFL, so here's the link:

http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/library/Metal_and_Wood.html

SIGarmed
January 18, 2003, 11:00 PM
Freedom!

BamBam
January 18, 2003, 11:17 PM
A way to PI$$ off Rosie O'Donnel.
Every other reason is secondary.

Preacherman
January 19, 2003, 03:19 AM
What are weapons to me? The reason I was able to be born, and the reason I'm alive, that's what...

I can remember very little about my grandfather, who died when I was very young. However, I do remember that he coughed, all day, every day, all the time... I learned when I grew up that he had been through the trenches in World War 1, and was the victim of a German gas attack, which caused massive, permanent damage to his lungs. Of the more than 130 men in his company who went over to France in 1915, three (THREE!!!) came back uninjured at the end of the war. All the rest died or were so badly injured they could fight no more. Guns won the victory over tyranny for his generation, and ensured he would be able to have children of his own in freedom.

My father went through World War II in the Royal Air Force (he was the equivalent of a PFC in September 1939, and finished in 1945 as the equivalent of a Major - seems to have had a "good war"!). He fought through the Western Desert campaign, and was one of those scheduled to go to Singapore, but had his draft changed at the last minute, while already at sea with the convoy. Of his mates who went to Singapore, nine out of ten died in Japanese POW camps. He was able to come back to Britain, emigrate to South Africa, and give his family a new life there, because guns won the victory against tyranny for him and his countrymen.

I fought my own war, in the operational areas of Southern Africa, and in an eighteen-year civil war in South Africa itself, where those of us working to help the victims of violence all too often became the victims of violence ourselves. I was shot, stabbed, etc. rather more than once, and if I hadn't had a gun available, would have been killed ten times over. Guns saved my life, and helped me to save the lives of others. They kept me alive in a time of great danger, and enabled me to help others to escape that danger. In my hands, and the hands of other good people, they brought lethal force to bear on those who wished us harm. As a side benefit, they also helped to feed me and many of my friends.

Now that I'm in the USA, the availability and presence of firearms reminds me never to take my safety for granted, and to be grateful to those who design and make these weapons, thereby keeping good people alive in times of peril. Sure, the bad guys use them as well - but there are more good guys than bad guys, and we tend to use our instruments more effectively, too! Without weapons, I'm at the mercy of whoever wants to dominate me by greater strength or numbers. With weapons, I'm on an equal footing with them. In the event (unlikely in this country - all too likely in many countries overseas!) that there are so many of them that I can't hope to defend my life against them, I can at least go out fighting, and make them pay for their crimes. Guns have kept me alive and free for several decades now. Long may they continue to do so, for all who love freedom!

Griff
January 19, 2003, 03:27 AM
A last resort.

sm
January 19, 2003, 03:30 AM
Freedom

Preacher--thank you for your post. Certainly parallels Dennis' post, CJ linked.

T.Stahl
January 19, 2003, 07:53 AM
Apart from tools for competition, specimen of technology and history, my guns mean freedom. The number and kind of guns I can own and the conditions under which I can own them, are a good indicator of how free I and my fellow citizens are.

Joe Demko
January 19, 2003, 08:32 AM
They symbolize nothing to me. They are tools designed to throw a projectile. They can be used for recreation, self-defense, and political insurrection. They can also be used to victimize, murder, and oppress others. For that reason, I shy away from saying they symbolize freedom. It would be just as valid to say they symbolize tyranny. Regardless, I own them and I am (relatively) free. I will continue to own them. I use them to promote freedom because there are those who would use them to restrict it.

Redlg155
January 19, 2003, 08:33 AM
To me a sense of freedom, knowing that I can be in control of a little bit of my destiny whatever ills may befall.

They are also history that you can hold in your hands. Many of us recieved weapons from parents, grandparents and other loved ones. We can hold those in our hands and relive moments past. Sometimes these memories can bring a tear to the eye.

Who here hasn't picked up an old battle rifle and didn't wonder what foreign battlefields this weapon must have visited? A handmade mark on the stock of the weapon by the soldier or even something as interesting as finding a name and address under the buttstock of a Swiss rifle brings images in my mind. Some have even gone so far as to contact the previous soldier.

So yes, Freedom most of all and second a "living" historical record.

Good Shooting
Red

King
January 19, 2003, 09:56 AM
Freedom, Obligation (to myself, to my family, community and to our fore fathers), independance, self reliance...........

spartacus2002
January 19, 2003, 10:07 AM
Freedom insurance, and the right to self-defense.

Bainx
January 19, 2003, 10:13 AM
I think they are works of art.

Kharn
January 19, 2003, 10:29 AM
As others have said before me, Freedom.

Kharn

BerettaNut92
January 19, 2003, 11:47 AM
I don't know about you guys, I own weapons and am far from free. :banghead:

ReadyontheRight
January 19, 2003, 12:16 PM
I truly believe that without personal weapons, we would still need some sort of formal heirarcy in society and the freedoms and unbounded productivity we enjoy in the USA would never have happened.

Without personal weapons, society needs some sort of knights, dukes, lords and kings or levels of party bureaucrats - call them what you will - to organize masses of brute force.

There may be regimes that allow increased personal freedom, but you are always subject to the whims of whatever government takes charge, King Soloman or King John eventually gives way to a Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc. Power corrupts and the winners write the history.

And what's the use of being innovative or productive and taking a risk to start a company if the King or the Party can take it away from you?

Successful regimes without personal weapons - like Taiwan, Japan, S. Korea, Europe, etc. have USA policy and muscle to keep their societies "democratic" -- and most countries outside the US looked a lot different 60 years ago.

As Jeff Cooper says, a rifle turns you from a subject to a citizen.

Atticus
January 19, 2003, 12:55 PM
Empowerment.

T.Stahl
January 19, 2003, 01:22 PM
Successful regimes without personal weapons - like Taiwan, Japan, S. Korea, Europe, etc. have USA policy and muscle to keep their societies "democratic" -- and most countries outside the US looked a lot different 60 years ago.

No personal weapons in Europe?
Please don't extrapolate the situation in Great Britain to continental Europe, where the private and legal ownership of guns is quite common.
Or do you mean the three guns in my locker are holographic projections? :confused:

Marko Kloos
January 19, 2003, 02:09 PM
I have guns because they remove me from physical coercion. If someone wants to interact with me, they have to deal with me via reason, since I have the means to retaliate any use of force. An armed man cannot be ruled by force. I cannot be strong-armed by anyone, be it idividuals or mobs. Guns free me from my fellow man. Everything else is just a fringe benefit.

It is the State which forces people into compliance far more often than any freelance robber. They do it not by reason, but by threat of force. It is telling that most people fear the armed agents of the State more than they do the occasional mugger or burglar.

G-Raptor
January 19, 2003, 03:03 PM
To me, it means that I will not die a slave. The difference between a slave and free man is the ability to defend himself against the will of others. He may lose the fight, but he will fight as a free man. That is why slaves are forbidden to have weapons.

D_Burchfield
January 19, 2003, 06:41 PM
lendsringer has it right:D

VERY eloquently put and hits it right in the ten-ring!

MOLON LABE!

Doug

ReadyontheRight
January 19, 2003, 08:43 PM
No personal weapons in Europe?

Sorry -- I was over-generalizing. It just always tend to lump Europe together.

I'm actually a member of Pro Tell (http://www.swissrifles.com/#protell), the Swiss NRA, so I SHOULD know better. I was thinking more of the UK and what the Germans did to gun rights in parts of Europe 60 years ago.

Dan Morris
January 19, 2003, 09:07 PM
Freedom...plus,for the ones I shoot and hoard, appreciation for workmanship in both metal work and woods that are used.
Dan

Another world, before tupperware and castings!

45R
January 20, 2003, 12:20 AM
weap·on ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wpn)
n.
1.An instrument of attack or defense in combat, as a gun, missile, or sword.
2.Zoology. A part or organ, such as a claw or stinger, used by an animal in attack or defense.
3. A means used to defend against or defeat another: Logic was her weapon.

This is how webster describes it.

To me its any instrument that is implented for the use of harm to others.

makdaddy03
January 20, 2003, 12:32 AM
Life & Freedom.

malvinf
January 20, 2003, 12:33 AM
a tool to protect my family

thumbtack
January 20, 2003, 01:57 AM
An empty wallet.

T.Stahl
January 20, 2003, 07:42 AM
No problem ReadyontheRight. Europeans tend to lump your 50 states together, too. ;)

How comes you're a member of ProTell? I'm a member of the German counterpart FWR and plan to become a member of the Austrian IWÖ.

ctdonath
January 20, 2003, 10:21 AM
"No."

NewShooter78
January 20, 2003, 10:37 AM
Freedom and intelectual evolution for me personally. I've come around from the other side if ya'll know what I mean.

SDC
January 20, 2003, 04:12 PM
Self-reliance, pure and simple.

RAY WOODROW 3RD
January 20, 2003, 05:01 PM
The means to take back that which has been taken............................when the time is right and all else has failed.:what:

Smokey Joe
January 20, 2003, 05:28 PM
Wow! Y'all said a mouthful, guys. Seems I agree with every one of you, one way or another. And for once I have nothing to add. :)

Drjones
January 20, 2003, 06:31 PM
They symbolize nothing to me. They are tools designed to throw a projectile. They can be used for recreation, self-defense, and political insurrection. They can also be used to victimize, murder, and oppress others. For that reason, I shy away from saying they symbolize freedom. It would be just as valid to say they symbolize tyranny. Regardless, I own them and I am (relatively) free. I will continue to own them. I use them to promote freedom because there are those who would use them to restrict it.

Golgo, you make a very good and correct point.

However, I just wanted to state what they mean to ME personally, and was curious what weapons mean to others here.

Again, it would be foolish to say that as a rule, weapons symbolize freedom, because, as you point out, they could just as easily symbolize oppression.

standingbear
January 20, 2003, 07:03 PM
an equalizer,a tool(like the hammer is to a carpenter) and a great source of fun.

ctdonath
January 20, 2003, 07:46 PM
In the hands of the trained and talented, or even in the hands of the clumsy yet needy, a tool is more than merely the tool - it is a means to improving the human condition. A carpenter's hammer is more than just a means of pushing metal into wood, it is the means of creating useful items. A camera is more than just a means of putting an image on paper, it is the means of preserving and proving a moment in time. A gun is more than just a means of throwing lead downrange, it is a means of obtaining food or stopping evil. There is a reason fine tools are held in high esteem - and are opposed by evildoers: they are what raise us above the animals, from acting merely on instinct to making rational thought and artistic perception manifestly real.

Beav
January 20, 2003, 07:50 PM
Works of Art

Power

Responsibility

HS/LD
January 20, 2003, 07:58 PM
Survival

Freedom



HS/LD

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