M1 carbine for hog hunting?


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Younggunner
August 13, 2009, 04:41 PM
Would an m1 carbine work for the Texas hogs?

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hogshead
August 13, 2009, 04:44 PM
Yea but a .22 long rifle would too the m1 is pretty anemic caliber not even a good man stopper imho

Younggunner
August 13, 2009, 04:45 PM
So do you think I should stick with the 20 gauge slugs till I can find a bigger gun?

Sunray
August 13, 2009, 04:52 PM
A Carbine should be fine, if sighted in with the right ammo and the shot placed correctly.

sojournerhome
August 13, 2009, 04:56 PM
When you say proper ammo would that not be some good brand of FMJ?
In Texas the wild pigs have a sort of armor on their chest from going through brush all the time. So, you would want something that penetrates that heavy callous layer if shooting from into the front of the animal.

jimmyraythomason
August 13, 2009, 05:22 PM
I am a big fan of the M1 carbine and the .30 cal.cartridge. It is in fact an excellent manstopper. BUT given a choice between a 20 ga. slug and the carbine I will opt for the 20 guage.when it comes to hogs.

cat9x
August 13, 2009, 05:27 PM
20 gauge slugs over .30 carbine. Feral pigs are resilient but they are not armor plated, proper ammunition will put them down. Ditch the 30 Carbine idea if you want them to go down within your county.

greyling22
August 13, 2009, 05:32 PM
in east texas they don't get real big. we've dropped them with a 357 loaded with lead (pretty much the same ballistically as a 30 carbine w/ lead) as well as 30/30, sks, 243, 270, 30/06. sometimes they run off and die, sometimes they just fall over. they're not a super animal and die like pretty much everything else. use the carbine. if shooting jacketed, aim for the vitals or the head.

Afy
August 13, 2009, 05:53 PM
Anything under a .50 BMG is not advised. ;)

mgkdrgn
August 13, 2009, 05:57 PM
So do you think I should stick with the 20 gauge slugs till I can find a bigger gun?

If you are already using 20ga slugs you are miles ahead of an M1 Carbine in terms of stopping power.

chris in va
August 13, 2009, 06:02 PM
Could you get an SKS instead? Half the price, and the round has more punch.

Gunfighter123
August 13, 2009, 06:12 PM
IMHO , the .30 Carbine is a little light --- the 20ga. with SLUGS is a better choice. Please see the link below for much more info on hog guns/loads;
http://www.texasboars.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=5f8583ac661169b39a708457fecac281

Werewolf
August 13, 2009, 06:24 PM
aim for the vitals or the head.With a .30 Carbine?

Vitals yes.
Head no.

A friend of mine once got treed by a big ole boar. He tried shooting it in the head with his 1911 loaded up with 230gr FMJ's. Hit that sucker in the top of the head 5 times to no effect before he thought to aim for the neck behind the head. The head shots just bounced off and made the boar madder. The shot behind the head did the trick.

Skinned the head. You could see where the bullets hit. A couple made some shallow trench like wounds, a couple more chiiped the bone and one even cracked the skull. Like I said all that did was piss the sucker off even more than he already was.

rcmodel
August 13, 2009, 06:32 PM
No hogs head is going to stop a .30 carbine bullet going 1,900 FPS.
Heck my daddy shot 200 pound butcher hogs in the head with a .22 rifle.
One shot, one kill, every time I saw him do it.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/30carbineFed110grSP.html

http://www.brassfetcher.com/30carbineLCFMJ.html

As for a .45 ACP bouncing off?
I'd have to see that too unless the shots were at a very shallow angle!
They ain't that hard to kill.

rc

HardShell
August 13, 2009, 06:37 PM
... the m1 is pretty anemic caliber not even a good man stopper imho

Depends greatly on the ammo choice: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19956

61chalk
August 13, 2009, 08:47 PM
Werewolf is right about headshot with that 1911 an FMJ ammo. They can an
often do just bounce off hard bone like that, they don't come back at you, they
just follow around the skull part way an exit, remember the skull bones on most animal
are not flat, but rounded, angling the bullet of 1911's......This isn't a guess, this is
a fact because I've seen it, with my own weapon on certain animals...I was surprized by it, but its true.....Carbine for hogs....YA!!! Load that 30 rd. magazine an have at it, put
several bullets in there....not everything has to be "one shot, one kill"......sometimes
rapid fire is alot of fun too!!!!!!

3pairs12
August 13, 2009, 08:52 PM
30 carbine bullet in the earhole will drop it dead! What barrel are you running the slugs through? If you have a rifled barrel and are shooting saboted slugs I would just stick with that.

mljdeckard
August 13, 2009, 09:01 PM
I keep an M-1 for HD. I think it's ideal for this role, but I'm shooting at targets a whole lot closer. I honestly think if I was trying to drop a hog I would want something bigger. I like the above suggestion that you look at an SKS.

MattTheHat
August 13, 2009, 09:42 PM
As for a .45 ACP bouncing off?
I'd have to see that too unless the shots were at a very shallow angle!
They ain't that hard to kill.

Many years ago I shot an armadillo at fairly close range with a 5" 1911 loaded with 230 FMJ. The critter was running at the time. Upon impact, he immediately curled up like a doodle bug, did about 4 interesting little rolls, re-deployed his feet and kept right on running. My buddy and I looked at each other in disbelief. Now, the little critter may have run down a nearby hole and expired, but he may not have, either.

I'm a 1911 guy, and I carry one of mine to this day at my east Texas ranch specifically for hogs. I sure ain't planning head shots, that's for sure.

-Matt

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August 14, 2009, 06:33 AM
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No hogs head is going to stop a .30 carbine bullet going 1,900 FPS.
Heck my daddy shot 200 pound butcher hogs in the head with a .22 rifle.
One shot, one kill, every time I saw him do it.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/30carbineFed110grSP.html

http://www.brassfetcher.com/30carbineLCFMJ.html

As for a .45 ACP bouncing off?
I'd have to see that too unless the shots were at a very shallow angle!
They ain't that hard to kill.

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4v50 Gary
August 14, 2009, 09:13 AM
I think one must be awfully good and terribly confident to use a M-1 Carbine for hunting boar. I'd go with a 30-30 or a shotgun first.

SaxonPig
August 14, 2009, 11:38 AM
Why is it when questions are asked about using inadequate calibers for hunting (and I think the 30C is light for any big game hunting) people always say "With good shot placement this underpowered round will do the job...?"

Are hunters using calibers of sufficient power NOT advised to make proper shot placement?

BTW- I would have no problem using the 30C as a close range personal defense rifle. Men are not nearly as tough and hard to knock down as are wild animals.

HardShell
August 14, 2009, 12:59 PM
Why is it when questions are asked about using inadequate calibers for hunting (and I think the 30C is light for any big game hunting) people always say "With good shot placement this underpowered round will do the job...?"...

Maybe because (generally speaking) shot placement can make up for poor bullet performance better than bullet performance can make up for poor shot placement. ;)

I personally live by the "Bring enough gun (or more)!" rule anyway, but I also understand where the shot placement comments come from. :)

Younggunner
August 14, 2009, 01:43 PM
If I'm going to go for a 7.62 caliber then I'll go with the ak-47 it's a little more compact than the sks option.

Dravur
August 14, 2009, 02:10 PM
Just nuke em from orbit....

Sheesh, we put down humongous bulls with a 22 to the forehead.

go for it, and heck, if the first one doesn't work, put another and another till the dang thing cant walk cuz of all the lead weighing it down. and if 15 rounds doesn't do it, ram the gun in his mouth and get out a pocket knife.

Matrix187
August 14, 2009, 02:14 PM
I think an M1 carbine will do the job if shot placement is right. Plus, you have plenty of extra rounds in the magazine if the first 1-2 shots don't do the job and are in need of some protection.

Red Tornado
August 14, 2009, 03:30 PM
If a hog doesn't go down with the first shot, how many times do you guys realistically think you're going to be able to hit it with follow-up shots? The hog's now running, through underbrush most likely, and you'll now be able to get proper shot placement?!? Really? I wish I was that good. I know it works in the movies, but in real life "bring enough gun!"
RT

EdLaver
August 14, 2009, 03:41 PM
I bust them with a 12 ga slug and that drops 'em dead real quick. The .30 carbine will work with well placed shots but I suggest us the slug gun.



-Ed

cat9x
August 14, 2009, 04:25 PM
If a hog doesn't go down with the first shot, how many times do you guys realistically think you're going to be able to hit it with follow-up shots? The hog's now running, through underbrush most likely, and you'll now be able to get proper shot placement?!? Really? I wish I was that good. I know it works in the movies, but in real life "bring enough gun!"

Amen to that, sounds like some guys on here get their hunter's education from TV

amd6547
August 14, 2009, 04:31 PM
M1 carbine for hogs? Why not, it worked for this guy...

rogertc1
August 14, 2009, 05:48 PM
A 45-70 Marlin Guide Gun with punch bullets should do the trick?

shaggy430
August 14, 2009, 05:52 PM
I wouldn't us an M1 Carbine. The .30 carbine round is basically just a glorified pistol round.

61chalk
August 14, 2009, 06:34 PM
amd6547...Cool Picture!!!!!...as for the statement that said about the boar running into brush an wouldn't be able to get a follow up shot.....please....the M1 doesn't have that
much of a kick, so staying on target isn't that difficult for follow up shots...alot of guys
are that good...is there anyone that has a M1 that doesn't think follow up shots are possiable.....? I had a M1 Carbine, take me boar hunting, an I'll show you multiple hits.

jimmyraythomason
August 14, 2009, 06:42 PM
shaggy430,yeah and so is the .44-40,.45 Colt and .44 remington magnum. All are very capable rounds in a rifle/carbine configuration.

Dr_2_B
August 14, 2009, 07:44 PM
I'd be interested in knowing the difference in ballistics between that 30 cal and a 20 ga slug.

MCgunner
August 14, 2009, 07:48 PM
So do you think I should stick with the 20 gauge slugs till I can find a bigger gun?

I would. You don't wanna be tracking a wounded, POed hog with a pop gun, trust me.


I'd be interested in knowing the difference in ballistics between that 30 cal and a 20 ga slug.

A foster slug in 20 gauge puts up 1600+ ft pounds IIRC. The .30 carbine, think of a .357 revolver with a 110 grain bullet. :rolleyes: Actually, it puts up close to 1000 ft lbs at the muzzle, just ain't much meat in the bullet. If using and expanding bullet, it's gonna be tough to get adequate penetration. I know, I know, head shot. Well, I could HEAD SHOOT a friggin' hog with my 10/22, but that don't make it an adequate hog gun. :rolleyes: Hogs require shoulder shots and a big boar will have a gristle plate there to penetrate plus all that muscle and bone. Nothing behind the shoulder, but guts. Don't go there. This is what makes 'em tough for the bow hunter, too. Inside 50 yards, the 20 gauge would do, the carbine, not so much IMHO. Me, I'll stick with my .308. You use what ya want. :D A crippled hog will die eventually and every dead hog is a good hog around where I live, but I like to be able to put 'em down so I can carve 'em up and wrap and freeze 'em.

jimmyraythomason
August 14, 2009, 08:13 PM
Sounds like sage advice to me,MCgunner.

brianr23
August 14, 2009, 10:06 PM
I live in South Florida and have killed quite a few wild hogs ranging from 250 lbs down to 60 lbs. The farmers here hate them. I have seen them drop like a lightning bolt from a .30-30 and run like hell when hit with a 180 grain .30-06 with almost the same shot placement. Recently we have taken to riding the berms just before dark. The hogs tend to jump when the buggy gets close and I was thinking the M-1 carbine would be light, quick on the target and I could get multiple shots when they break cover at 30-40yrds. The "armor plate" on the hogs are on the front shoulder and protect the vitals, but every rifle shot I have seen has fully penetrated the plate on at least one side. I did lose a big hog (275+) when I shot him with a .30-30 at about 120 yards. Found him the next day about 150 yards away (the vultures were on him). The shot penetrated the plate on the one side but didn't exit on the off side and there just wasn't enough blood trail to follow at night. My uncle offered his M-1 to me, but I hesitate because its a Rockola that he has had for years and is in great shape. He paid $100 for it and it is all matching. Nice huh.

George757
August 15, 2009, 10:30 AM
I used an M-1 carbine this past Spring to kill a hog, but I wouldn't use it again. The soft-point knocked him down, but I had to administer a coup-de-grace with my 1911 - to the head, and no, the bullet didn't bounce off. Iron sights don't always yield "precision" shots, depending on the distance and if you're equipped with "old-eyes". Bigger is better for hogs, IMHO.

Heck
August 15, 2009, 08:32 PM
When hunting hogs, especially on foot, I would rather have a little more gun than the .30 carbine. I used to hunt hogs regularly in south Arkansas and they have a way of making me really nervous and even scared a few times. They don't always act predictibly when hit which makes me want to put them down fast. I've seen a 60 pound chaote take a 22 mag between eyes and run off and 300 pounder eating acorns with an arrow sticking out from behind the shoulder.

In arkansas you arent supposed to use any rifle larger that .25 caliber outside of deer season, although I haven't see it inforced, I would advise to know the local laws. 25-06, .243 and even a .22-250 were used with success in my group of friends.

Since you have been using slugs I would assume you aren't shooting to far and think an SKS or a .30-30 wouldnt be a bad choice. An 1895 marlin or Puma 92 in .44 mag or 480 Ruger might not be too bad either.

rondog
August 15, 2009, 08:46 PM
What about an AR-10? Aren't those light, quick-handling carbines, and .308 caliber? That oughta work.....

3pairs12
August 15, 2009, 08:56 PM
Ar-10 would be a good hog gun.

Jason_G
August 15, 2009, 08:59 PM
As for a .45 ACP bouncing off?
I'd have to see that too unless the shots were at a very shallow angle!
They ain't that hard to kill.

rc

As would I. It would've had to either been some very anemic loads, or a very shallow angle.

I killed two last week with a 1911 commander. 230 gr ball, factory loaded Blazer Brass. Shot them once apiece, through the top of the skull, just high of the eyes. DRT, both shots through and through.

I know there may be fluke incidents where bullets can take glancing shots at weird angles and such, but that is the exception rather than the rule.

Hogs are tough, but they are not rhinos.




As per the original question, if within reasonable yardage, I see no reason why the .30 carbine wouldn't work.


Jason

Thor Bloodax
August 15, 2009, 09:28 PM
Interesting talk about wild hogs. Yes, they can be killed with a .22. I have friends that do it regularly but almost all say use the biggest gun you can handle. The feral hogs in Georgia are BIG. Remember Hogzilla? Four, five and six hundred pounders are not unknown. Admittedly, there are a lot of smaller ones. All of the guides and regular hunters I have talked with also say they carry a large caliber handgun in case they only wound one and it squeels for its buddies and they have to go up a tree. By the way, a 70 year old man CAN climb a tree if properly motivated! They have been known to try to root up the tree you have climbed when you just wounded one. Remember, hogs are omnivores: they will eat meat and that includes you. I know of one man who had his leg gnawed off before his hunting buddies rescued him.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 15, 2009, 09:37 PM
So do you think I should stick with the 20 gauge slugs till I can find a bigger gun?

Yes, compared to a .30 carbine, absolutely. .30 carbine is a pistol round essentially.

JImbothefiveth
August 15, 2009, 09:41 PM
Probably better to use the 20. Also remember that whenever you ask if you can hunt with a caliber, no matter what you're hunting or what caliber, the answer you'll get on the forums will almost always be "with good shot placement", citing either incredible shots or slaughterhouse conditions, even if it's likely to charge.

R.W.Dale
August 15, 2009, 09:47 PM
In arkansas you arent supposed to use any rifle larger that .25 caliber outside of deer season, although I haven't see it inforced, I would advise to know the local laws. 25-06, .243 and even a .22-250 were used with success in my group of friends.

the law now reads not larger than 30 cal. But here's the kicker anything larger than .22 rimfire is illegal in the national forests. Yes that's right the law requires you to hunt hogs with a 22 in certian areas

Heck
August 15, 2009, 09:56 PM
the law now reads not larger than 30 cal. But here's the kicker anything larger than .22 rimfire is illegal in the national forests. Yes that's right the law requires you to hunt hogs with a 22 in certian areas
That's good to know. I havent hunted them since I moved to Northwest Arkansas from Pine Bluff in 2000.

rondog
August 15, 2009, 10:14 PM
All of the guides and regular hunters I have talked with also say they carry a large caliber handgun in case they only wound one and it squeels for its buddies and they have to go up a tree.

Man, I never thought of that. WILL they come to the rescue of a squealing, injured hog? Or try to take a dead one from you? I think that possibility would sway my decision towards more firepower. A .30 carbine might kill one hog easy enough, but what if others come after you? I don't think I'd want to go into "hog combat" underpowered.

middy
August 16, 2009, 02:22 AM
It would work fine on most hogs. I'd probably want a .223 for more penetration on the big ones.

dawgtraxx
August 16, 2009, 04:37 AM
I always see these threads about a 30 carbine being an underpowered round, not so much...30 carbine muzzle velocity about 1900 fps (110 grain) at 100 yards still holding about 1500 fps..compared to .357 magnum in a rifle 1800 fps (158 grain)at 100 yards drops to approx 1400 fps, of course stopping power is a little better on the 357 because of the heavier projectile, 30 carbine loads can be worked up to rival the 357... by no means is the .30 carbine an anemic round

Gunfighter123
August 16, 2009, 02:24 PM
This information is from TEXASBOARS.COM ------ there is also a link to there where those boys killed over 30 pigs in two nights !!!! I would think that whoever has killed over 100 wild boars in less then 6 months will know what works best.

12 Gage Shotguns:
00 Buckshot is only effective at very close ranges.
Buckshot is usually fairly soft, and the pattern spreads out at
any real distance. Being soft, and not weighing much per pellet means...a lack of
penetration at any real distance. Not enough pentration...you just made
the hog mad. As with the hollow point handgun bullets, buckshot works pretty well
on people at close range. But, hogs are hogs, not people.

Rifled slugs and sabot slugs.
You have a lot better chance with these. ( Usually )
The sabot loads in rifled shotgun barrels pretty much do what a .45-70 does.
That should tell you something right there.

The original style hollow base lead slugs have been deemed not quite good enough
by some people, when it comes to penetration. They are
pretty soft lead, which allows them to swage down when fired from
a barrel with a choke in it. The fact they are soft might increase the expansion
factor, at the loss of some penetration.
I freely admit that I have not tried these on hogs, but simply include here
what I have seen others say.

So for a 20ga. SG ---- I'd say don't use old "pumpkin ball " slugs --- spend a little cash and get the "top shelf" modern slugs.

Rifle Stuff:

Many hogs have fallen to the .223 Remington, and even some smaller rounds.
This works for those people that take careful shots that are well placed, and
in situations where they have the time to do this.
This also assumes the bullet used has enough penetration.

The advantage of the .22 caliber center fires is the lack of recoil.
This also applies to the various 6 MM rounds, like the .243 Winchester.
Obviously, not everybody can tolerate the recoil of a .45-70, or even a .30-06 for that matter.
If you don't flinch and jerk the trigger, you stand a better chance of putting
the bullet where it needs to go.

IMHO --- the .30 carbine is much more underpowered then the .223.

Here is the link at texasboars.com where they killed 30+ boars in two nights;
http://www.texasboars.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16020

YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO VIEW THAT TOPIC WITHOUT SIGNING UP AT texasboars.com

The "gist"of it;
Had some hunters from Grapevine come in Wednesday night. 30 minutes into the hunt we have 2 hogs and a pasture poodle down. Before we could get out of the field we killed 2 more.

Next field had 6 boars and a barrow in it, killed three of them.

Next field had 35+ hogs in it, they killed 7 in that one field. Seemed like we spend two hours in one spot.

Moved on and shot one boar, while headed to the next field. Just before we got there, we shot another boar.

Finally got to our last field, and you guessed it, 40+ hogs in it, killed 7.

Final Talley 23 hogs and 1 yote, WHEW what a night

AND THE NEXT NIGHT UPDATE;


Thanks guys, I will post up Saturdays report tomorrow, two hunt total- 36 hogs.

Got a 3-man squad coming in tomorrow, well see how that turns out.

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EDIT ---- these boys LIVE to hunt hogs --- LOTS of good information there from people who kill hogs AT LEAST weekly !!!!

jimmyraythomason
August 16, 2009, 04:21 PM
Perhaps it's time to combine the 2 hog hunting threads into a .17 vs M1 carbine as best hog medicine.

Gunfighter123
August 16, 2009, 06:42 PM
Hiya JimmyRay,
Or a .22 Short Vs. my .177 Crossman pellet gun for hogs:D

black_powder_Rob
August 16, 2009, 08:54 PM
Nah i'll take my sling shot!! J/K, but i do find that 223 rem, works on hogs well around where i am at.

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