[nwilliams]

My local shop just got a few of these in.

what's the general opinion on these things? Personally I can't help but feel it's a tad on the ridiculous side, almost amusing in it's silliness. However at the same time I'm strangely intrigued by it:uhoh: Would there be any advantage at all to this gun over a pump action?

http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/double_defense_large_blue_12.jpg

[armoredman]

I can't think of one, but I am waiting to see the Speed Strips for it. Someone is missing a bet there...

[Virginian]

If someone was used to SxSs and didn't want to get used to a pump I can see it being useful. I don't see where it looks any more outrageous than a pistol grip only pump with a 10 shot magazine, breacher barrel, et al. for "home defense". I can't believe they put a single trigger on it though. With double triggers you have an additional reliability advantage over a single lock gun.

[Bud Tugly]

Break-open guns are more intuitive and simple to use for folks not that familiar with firearms, so it would be relatively easy for beginners to use. Two shots should be enough for most HD situations, and if you add a butt cuff and lots of practice shooting and reloading it should do the job.

Looks kinda silly, though, IMO.

[ArmedBear]

I still don't understand why you'd want a red dot on a shotgun when a bead works fine for hitting a tiny target flying by at 35 MPH, 35 yards away.

Hell, I even had a gunsmith remove a brazed-on fiber sight from one of my shotguns and replace it with a brass bead, because the fiber sight was a distraction, not a help.

IMO you can't replace a little practice and basic skills with expensive crap hung on a gun.

I can see the flashlight, though.

[MrPeter]

Personally, I think it's BAD A$$.

I want one.

$$$?

[Husker_Fan]

ArmedBear,
I agree that a bead is best for flying targets, but stationary targets that are farther away are well suited to a red dot. I use one on my turkey gun becase it throws a tight pattern out quite a ways, but poi and poa don't match up well with just a bead. I would think the same would apply to slugs and buckshot being fired at ranges of 20yards +. In a home though, where ranges are short, I don't see much advantage.

[ArmedBear]

A turkey gun is a special case, and is shot like a rifle, aimed, not pointed. A low-power scope for low light can even make sense on a turkey gun, and high rifle-style combs are common on turkey-specific shotguns as well.

Ditto for a slug gun, or buckshot to some extent. (OTOH European-style running boar shooting uses a rifle a lot like a shotgun.)

In general, though, for what I see as a short, defensive shotgun for point-shooting an approaching deadly threat, I'll take simple and fast.:)

Note that the drop on that gun is far too much for using that red dot. The inexperienced shooter would be in for a big surprise when he pulled the trigger on that stock, while looking through it.

[fireman 9731]

I would buy it if it didn't have all those fugly rails on it... I want an evil black SxS!

[Gunfighter123]

To each their own -- BUT -- myself , I think it is a bit silly but a good marketing ploy. As others stated -- a flashlight is a good idea on a HD shotgun but a red dot , IMHO , is not needed for inside the house defense.

[MrPeter]

I'd lose the red dot and put a night-vision sight on it with an infrared laser instead of the flashlight.

Oh and let's not forget a vertical grip, sling, and hi-cap bandolier or some kind for quick reloads.

Maybe instead of a vertical pistol grip you could mount a Saiga-12 Mag upside down and use it as a pistol grip / speedfeed system!

Evil Black SxS is appealing to me :)

[nwilliams]

The more I look at it the more I think it's just the Aimpoint the puts it over the top.

[VA27]

All it needs are external hammers, double triggers and selective ejectors.

[murdoc rose]

wow that looks stupid shot guns are point and shoot anyway no need for red dot, i dislike the rails and the single trigger. two very fast shots of 00 and I suspect anything in front of it is in pain however a pump seems more useful.

[Girodin]

The only real useful additions that thing has are the fiber optic bead and the bottom rail for a light. I see the porting as a potential draw back. I don't think this thing has ejectors (I might be wrong I have had trouble confirming this) but rather extractors which makes no sense to me (I think they just adapted an existing model). I'd prefer double triggers as well. Another thing i personally would like is if it was threaded for choke tubes.

I like coach guns and think they are viable home defense weapons. If you got this put a light on it and a but cuff with spare shells and practiced reloads etc this would be a viable weapon. The flashlight is nice for HD but aside from that there are other coach gun models I would rather have. If I did get this I wouldn't put an aim point on it.

[earlthegoat2]

I am waiting to see the Speed Strips for it

Forget that, moon clips. (or the equivalent)


In other news I am apt to let magazine readers buy and rave about their rails with their lights and their red dot. Blah blah I know if and when and where and how and any number of one in a million hypotheticals can make the use of such gizmos and gadgets a luxury for a situation that is anything but luxurious. Buy your equipment and use it well but understand when the shots start flying all the electrical gadgets and cool gizmos are only going to be a hinderance.

Ill take the standard coach gun please.

[Girodin]

when the shots start flying all the electrical gadgets and cool gizmos are only going to be a hinderance.

The only possibility is for a flash light to be a hindrance? Are you serious? I'll have to ask why SWAT buddy why they use them if all they can possibly do is serve as a hindrance. I'll ask the guys I know who spent time clearing houses in Iraq why they stuck lights and optical sights on the guns if all they can do is hinder them.

Such a hyperbolic blanket statement as the one you made is bound to be wrong. A more valid point might be that equipment is not a replacement for the necessary skill sets. Thinking that fancy equipment is all that is needed is foolish. Having equipment you don't know how to use is not of much help either. One of the reasons I believe that taking shooting courses and competing in shooting sports is good is because it will help one sort out what equipment is useful and what is dead weight, unreliable or in the way.

[ThrottleJockey72]

This is a joke right? I think it is downright stupid. I have looked at the plain-jane sxs stoegers, and decided against them over a pump, but a plain-jane sxs with the black poly stock, I would go for. Just keep that stupid useless stuff off of it. No rail, light, dot.......It is a SXS shotgun for crying out loud, not a rifle or even a tactical shotgun. That stuff is as useless on that gun as a laser on a BP muzzleloader.

[earlthegoat2]

Thank you for streamlining my statement for me.

[oneounceload]

but poi and poa don't match up well with just a bead. then the stock doesn't seem to fit you. For HD/SD, a bead is just fine and is one less thing to snag or break

[Owlnmole]

I agree with the general consensus that this is a very silly gun, though there you have to give Stoeger credit for taking a concept (the "tactical" side-by-side) and running with it. On the other hand, I have often thought that any of a number of coach guns, including the various Stoegers, as will as the over-and-under Stoeger Condor Outback (http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_condor_outback.php), might make a great all around gun for many kinds of hunting, varmits on four legs or two, SHTF, you name it. With some long-lasting glow-in-the-dark sight paint on those fixed sights, a stock cuff with some reloads and, perhaps, some kind of flashlight, you'd have a hell of nasty tool for social work as well as all the utility applications.

[KaceCoyote]

I camp and hunt off a motorcycle, so anything I camp with or hunt with needs to fit inside a fairly small package. Practical as I think just stapping an 870 or a 590 to the side of my backpack and heading down the highway is, the public at large does not agree.

I want a "camp" shotgun, and that means I need to be able to affix an light. I like that condor too, which also takes chokes.

if I could take the rail off the top, and just forget it I'd be sold. Otherwise, I'm gonna look at the Condor I think. I bet I could find a lightrail to screw into the side of the Condor's handguard dont you?

[conhntr]

the red-dot is pointless on a sxs because we all know that it wont be regulated for ****! he needs one reddot on each barrel

[ArmedBear]

poi and poa don't match up well with just a bead.

Unless you can shoot a shotgun.

That's what a lot of gadgets are for (except, perhaps, a flashlight). Someone tries a gun, can't hit squat with it, and thinks that's something a few hundred bucks and batteries can cure.

If the gun doesn't fit, one wouldn't have bought it in the first place, if he knew how to shoot it.:)

[scottishclaymore]

Advantage over a pump gun? Not really.

But it sure would be cool to have.

For social work with a double, though, I want selective triggers. The standard coachgun will do quite nicely.

[One-Time]

I like it except for the rails, and red dots are far faster than irons

But no amount of gadgets will make up for the guy behind the trigger

[halfded]

Looks like Bubba got a job in Stoeger's design department.

I'd still shoot it though..

[PTK]

If they'd sell that stock separately, I'd buy one right now.

[Marshall]

I'm with Armed Bear on this.

I like the gun, even the SS trigger for simplicity, the light's OK too. But the bead is enough.

[earlthegoat2]

But the bead is enough.

Of course the bead is enough. Unfortunately 3/4 of everyone else doesnt think so. A standard gun with no rail is enough though too but then again we still have the Stoeger Double defense. If there isnt a market, create one. Be it guns or accessories.

Give me a standard shotgun with a standard barrel without porting and a standard magazine capacity like 5 or 6 and a plain ol 18 or 20 inch barrel with a standard wood stock. Funny how this is an ideal setup for me but it wouldnt even qualify as a tactical shotgun in most gun companies catalogs because there isnt black stocks or rails or 8 shot capacities.

[Mooseman]

How much do those monstrosities sell for?

[AcceptableUserName]

http://www.mauchle.name/images/dr-evil.jpgOne MILLION Dollarsh????

[earlthegoat2]

429 last I checked, retail that is.

On the internet probably less.

[Norinco982lover]

I think it looks awesome! :)

[SoCalShooter]

Wow, when I get mine I am going full tactical ninja on it. Stubby pistol grip and a flash light with laser and a red dot sight.

[Gun Geezer]

I cannot figure out the need for the red dot on a HD shotty. What's up with that.

Plus, I think a light is just a target for the bad guy to shoot at. My house and I don't need a flashlight to walk around it in the dark.

Otherwise, I like sxs guns. Kill the bad guys western style!

[MrPeter]

I like the light. No I don't need it to get around, but I do need it to:

Rule number (4?)
BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

[MCgunner]

Someone said it on another thread, make a nice tomato stake. :rolleyes:

"RAILS? I DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' RAILS!"

[eye5600]

For a SWAT team or the like, I can see having a light on the weapon, but for HD, I don't like it. Why give the BD a target? There are other ways to illuminate what's in front of you without standing behind the light source.

[brocksamson]

I got a Stoeger side x side coachgun in 20 ga. It has the high- tech wood furniture for precision clubbing and shiny brass bead sight for rapid low- light target acquisition. Illumination provided by a mini- maglight taped under the barrels.
O.K., I kid. But in all seriousness, Stoeger makes a good shotgun. IMHO, I think that the simplicity of the coachgun is its advantage to Johnny Punchclocks like me who aren't trained to a high tactical standard like LE or FBI guys. All that extra gear would get in my way.
If all of the extra gear is to your taste, more power too you. I just like the KISS principle.

[Marlin 45 carbine]

I have the 'Coach Gun' in 12ga Mag, I replaced the front sight with a fiber optic. much better IMO. I can see how the under bbl light could be handy. one of the tubular 9 bulb LED lights w/the end cap switch would suffice taped to the under barrel I think, maybe something I'll check into. nix the optics.
I'll bet Stoger sells some of those likely to folks w/out much expertise it's a fearful looking weapon for sure.

[Skillet]

guys, it doesn't come with the red dot sight. so quit whining about it.

this has an advantage over pump. the second shot can be off alot quicker, as they did add some things to reduce kick on the gun. no pumping action required. a very simple, practicle shotgun IMHO.

[GoodKat]

No... just no.

[Roo]

I think the synthetic stock is a good idea. But all the accessories seem gimicky on a side by side and a waste of time. Does anybody know of any other synthetic stocked side by sides factory built like this one?

[Mp7]

"Freeze! ... and stop laughing at my ninja´d coach gun"

[auschip]

I like it for the simple fact that so many people seem to get a burr over it. Would be a hoot to throw an Aimpoint on top and a surefire underneath and head out to the local trap shoot. Really ham it up and ask if they mind if you run the flashlight during the day. :evil:

[Lightsped]

I saw these at the local gunshop for $399. They don't come with all the accessories pictured. They do have the rail and some sort of night vision style front sight. The gunshop had 20 and 12 gauge versions. They looked interesting to say the least....

[lobo9er]

hmmm a flash light isn't a terrible idea. I dont know about a red dot, zero it to the first shot or in the middle of both? There is a SxS with rifled barrels that you can adjust point of impact for both barrels so they are the same or one could be for longer range. If that is the case a scope or red dot would be useful for hunting.

[oneounceload]

I think the synthetic stock is a good idea

Except that it isn't a synthetic stock - it is simply a hardwood stock painted black to give it that certain "tacticool" appearance....

All metal surfaces are finished in matte blue and come complete with non-reflective matte black hardwood stock and forearm.

From Stoeger


and head out to the local trap shoot.

And even funnier to watch you being asked to put it away or leave....:neener:

[Mr. T]

Hell no. Give me the pump every time!:scrutiny:

[chevyforlife21]

a light could be usefull everything else no just a bead and a light does the job. and did they really have to paint the wood black?

[MachIVshooter]

It's ported. Not a beneficial feature on a HD gun, IMO. the last thing I want is to be blinded by the first shot. That, and I think cylinder bore would be better than IC, considering that slugs are a popular choice in HD for those of us whose neighbors are a little further than spittin' distance.

[lobo9er]

yeah its a little out there. would be kinda cool if the flash light was hidden in the forend.

[rustycrusty]

Only advantage over a pump is bad guy looking at 2 12ga. tubes vs 1. The
pump has it all over this thing in all other ways. you can get all the geegaws and doodads you want to hang on a gun for impressing your uninformed friends. I plan on getting a collapseable stock for my 870 so it will fit wheather I'm in the woods in spring for gobblers or in Jan. with 5 layers of insulation on. I don't even take the plug out tween hunting seasons. Three's enough.

[okespe04]

I would not want to be standing in front of it.

[auschip]

And even funnier to watch you being asked to put it away or leave....

Really? Heck I must run in low circles, cause I was able to win a little but of coin with a 20 inch barrel 1100. I got several chuckles, but nobody asked me to leave.

[oneounceload]

An 1100 with a 20 inch barrel is not quite the same as the topic gun, is it?

[EmGeeGeorge]

I'm thinking a big night vision scope and a small chain saw?

[auschip]

An 1100 with a 20 inch barrel is not quite the same as the topic gun, is it?

Nope, on that I can agree. An 1100 with a 20 inch barrel is not a sxs with a 20 inch barrel. However, can you explain why they would allow one 20 inch barrel and not another?

[mgregg85]

I kinda like it. Why do they have an aimpoint on top of it in the stock picture though? Thats just weird.

[oneounceload]

Nope, on that I can agree. An 1100 with a 20 inch barrel is not a sxs with a 20 inch barrel. However, can you explain why they would allow one 20 inch barrel and not another?

I was talking about showing up with the light/scope accessories being on it when you showed up - not about the barrel length.......:eek:

[rogertc1]

Did you notice the furnature is black paint over the wood.

"Matte Black-finished hardwood"

[LemmyCaution]

I live in a 150sqft cabin. If the fight takes greater than two shots, it has necessarily moved outdoors, in which case I'll pick up the M1a on the way out.

Though I would likely leave the top rail off, the lower rail would be very handy for something to light up the porcupines and coyotes that sniff around my door at night.

As an added bonus, the DD has exactly the same controls as my hunting gun, a Savage Fox that I've had since the day I was born. I'd just use that, but I keep whacking the barrels into the door frame when I go out to see what's got the dog so riled up.

[OpelBlitz]

Are you kidding? This is is one of the best range toys ever. Load up with 3" Magnum slugs -- I actually own one because it was a no-show layaway and I got it for $329.

Full of win:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j291/BKR33/P1010413.jpg

[MachIVshooter]

I can't believe I'm actually seeing a Bi-pod on a SxS shotgun. In real life. Wow

[bullturkey]

Does anyone market a shockproof tv remote. That would be a useful addition watching the tube while waiting for the zombies to arrive.

[Dirty Bob]

The rail on the bottom of the barrels is perfect for a bayonet! :D

http://newgraham.com/store/product/5933/KaBar-PB1-Pistol-Bayonet-KB02-9900/

(snicker!)

Regards,
Dirty Bob

[rustycrusty]

I got to have a bayonet lug and one of thoes WW1 bayonets with the 19" blade. How about a 40mm grenade launcher under the bbls?:what:

[OpelBlitz]

I can't believe I'm actually seeing a Bi-pod on a SxS shotgun. In real life. Wow
I just want to point out that the pic I found isn't mine. Also note that the owner of that SxS did a bit of sawing off of the barrel. :)

[akbound]

Side by side does offer a less complicated manual of arms for the less inclined in one's household, (much like the revolver compared to semiautos). It also offers an instant choice of chokes and/or loads, (slug or shot). All other things being equal it is shorter and handier than either a pump or a semiauto. And whether or not it really exist, if the intimidation value of looking down one 12 bore barrel is a factor, how much more so then looking down two?

As an aside does anyone here other than me remember an interview that Norman Schwarzkopf did during Gulf War I where the camera showed, then focused on a long gun he had leaning in the corner of his headquarters bedroom; and the conversation between him and the reporter concerning that same gun?

Dave

P.S. I'm not sure I like all the "tac-ti-cool" involved in that particular gun (it too offends my more classic sensibilities), though the light makes quite a bit of sense considering the intent and purpose of the gun.

[Girodin]

As an aside does anyone here other than me remember an interview that Norman Schwarzkopf did during Gulf War I where the camera showed, then focused on a long gun he had leaning in the corner of his headquarters bedroom; and the conversation between him and the reporter concerning that same gun?

I do.

[bullturkey]

I remember that the gun was a double.

[LostSon562]

Hey MrPeter, I just recently purchased a Stoeger DD from Turners and I can honestly say it is a nice piece of work overall, The tac rails are cool looking but the only one I would use is the bottom for attaching a flashlight, I did not even bother to put the top one on because like everyone else said there simply was no use for it, if you look at Stoegers set up on their page or on youtube they have a scope on it, I think that is ridiculious I agree with ArmedBear that spending all that dough on useless gadgets is definetly pointless if you don't know how to shoot the gun you own LOL. Other than that its a BAD ASS Gauge and I spent about $502 which includes DROS fees but I'm sure you can find it cheaper maybe out your way since I'm from "Never gets cool guns Cali". I say the Stoeger DD has an old school look with a new school twist and the stock is solid and not hallow so if two shots don't work you can always club a man LOL, Kudos to everyone on here for posting up great opinions, facts and etc. Belated happy new years to all on here. Does anyone out there have an opinion on the Walther P22? I am considering it as a good size gun and caliber for teaching my child to shoot? any opinions would be great thanks again and see you in the threads.

"Before all else, be armed" Niccolo Machiavelli

[LostSon562]

That gauge looks like its ready for action in all various types of terrains!!! LOL Stoeger DD's are the sh*t!!!! how much you spend for all those accessories?

[ozhuntsman]

i didn't realize it was for sale in the US it was advertized in a few magazines around here, where we aren't allowed a pump action shotgun without a special licence. so in that sense this would be the next best thing.

however given it's title Stoeger Double Defense. it's surpising its available or titled as such here, because home defence or self defence is not a legal reason to own a gun in australia, so if you put that down in the permit application it would be rejected.

[OpelBlitz]

Owning one for several months now... just wanted to point out that the rails ARE removable for those who just dig the black finish. And other than the finish, rail attachment and ported barrels, this is identical to Stoeger's Coach Gun. Even on the side of the barrel/receiver it says "Coach Gun" on it. You coould easily remove the stock/trigger and handguard assembly and apply it to a normal coach gun.

Oh, and attaching the top rail blocks the bead sight.

[montess85]

I think its a pretty cool gun, but thats it...I would probably buy it just for fun....That being said I paid less for my Mossberg 500 Persuader($279 on sale), and that holds 8 rounds and is also pretty fun to mess around with at the range.....All I added to that was a flashlight mount.....I did look at the coach gun version of this and I think I want to get one just to have...But I can't knock anyone for buying anything they think is cool because I am sure some of the stuff I have in my collection is pretty stupid lol....If it makes you happy and you think its cool or fun then by all means buy it.....

PS my SKS is pretty ridiculous with all the aftermarket accessories, but its a blast to shoot.....

[Jonah71]

My Mossberg has North Haven Conn stamped on it. Of course the barrel was probably made elsewhere. Now I'm gonna go shoot the thing unless the fog doesn't burn off and the range is too crowded.

[fireside44]

After much consideration and thought, I found that the Stoeger doesn't have enough rail space for all my tactical lights, lasers, vertical grip, bipod, red dot, canted sight, etc.

When are these companies going to wake up and realize that they aren't meeting the demands of the consumer?

More rail.

[KevininPa]

I think one of these would be fun to own. At least it comes with a recoil pad and not a steel butt plate like my Spartan coach gun. That baby hurt till I got a Limbsaver mounted!

[lobo9er]

I think one of these would be fun to own. At least it comes with a recoil pad and not a steel butt plate like my Spartan coach gun. That baby hurt till I got a Limbsaver mounted!


Part of the fun lol

[KevininPa]

.........if you're a masochist!:)

[Lo]

Do the ported barrels pose a problem when firing (impaired vision) and does the porting help with recoil?

[Nick5182]

Maybe it's just me...but I think it screams "Tactical Redneck"

[OpelBlitz]

Firing is really no big deal. THe porting doesn't blind you though I haven't shot mine in the dark... But relatively dim lighting.

[Lo]

Thanks for the reply. Does the porting help with recoil? Where did you buy yours? $329.00 is a great deal on this gun.

[OpelBlitz]

I wish I could give an accurate answer; I've never fired a SxS other than my own. I'd speculate it helps some though; the only ammo that really beats me is 3" magnum slugs.

[Balog]

Let's see...

1. Single trigger
2. Automatic safey
3. Extractors
4. Ported

Yeah I'll pass. I do wish they'd make a serious SxS for HD, but this isn't it.

[OpelBlitz]

I see that all as preference, not flaws. Though I really would have preferred ejectors.

[Nick5182]

The only thing I wish it had would be double triggers and external hammers.

[Cosmoline]

I'm picturing Gabby Hayes with GEN IV night vision an infrared scope and a laser sight.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

[toivo]

Let's see...

1. Single trigger
2. Automatic safey
3. Extractors
4. Ported

Yeah I'll pass. I do wish they'd make a serious SxS for HD, but this isn't it.
I see that all as preference, not flaws. Though I really would have preferred ejectors.

Preference for a fun gun, but flaws for a defense gun.

1. Single trigger--more finicky, can't select barrel for different loads
2. Automatic safey--one more thing to worry about during high-stress reloads
3. Extractors--a major impediment to a fast reload
4. Ported--noise and flash

No, I'm with Balog: this isn't really a defense gun.

[Trifler]

I'm not against the Stoeger Double Defense, but looking only at doubles, I think I'd prefer their Condor Outback, which is an Over/Under with extractors.

For those who said they would prefer a double-trigger, the regular Stoeger Coach Guns have double-triggers. They're identical to the Double Defense other than the trigger, black paint job, porting, and rails. The barrel length is the same.

[QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW]

yuck, sorry but a SXS should be stainless/nickle and a nice wood stock

[LibShooter]

Give it dual triggers, some cool low-profile external hammers and an integrated thumb-switch for a light/laser where the safety lever is and I would write a check. It would make a good successor to the Stevens 311 doing HD duty at my house.

[BHP FAN]

No bayonet?!

[nicksterdemus]

"1. Single trigger--more finicky, can't select barrel for different loads"

If it was a SST you could select and if it's a mechanical vs inertia you'd be able to fire the second barrel even if the the first round failed.

Just sayin'.

Of course, in a SD situation I probably wouldn't care which candle I lit coz I'm gonna light up the second one right after the first.

This is were a ST comes in handy, under a stressful situation, unless you're used to the DT set-up..

[Dirtpile]

Preference for a fun gun, but flaws for a defense gun.

1. Single trigger--more finicky, can't select barrel for different loads
2. Automatic safey--one more thing to worry about during high-stress reloads
3. Extractors--a major impediment to a fast reload
4. Ported--noise and flash


Agreed. Needs strong ejectors and ditch the safety.
Ported barrels on a shotgun shouldn't be an issue because the powder burns pretty quick, but being something that likely to be used in the dark it shouldn't have them.
Single trigger vs dual trigger is a matter of preference but it had better be a mechanical single in case of misfire.

[Nick5182]

what if....just what if....you could mount an M203 below it....




...what if...

[Nick5182]

C'mon guys...anyone? Anyone?

I know it's out of proportion but it's the best I could do with Paint.

115681

[jw johnson]

I have a stoeger coachgun in 12ga. It is the most handy shotgun I have (out of seven). Double triggers, wood stock, bead sight. It is great to have in the truck when going to and from hunting locations for birds etc.

This one looks cool, in its own way. I could save the money by duct taping a ray o vac flashlight to mine :D

[Aussie84]

I have the stoegar DD and think its a sweet gun, seeing as you cant have autos or pump action shotty's in Australia. The laws here suck...
For the guys asking a couple of questions, the rail on the top is removable and when you buy the gun you have to install it anyway. And it uses extractors not ejectors.