good compromise - SA handgun


August 16, 2009, 08:48 PM
Hi there. I have a co-worker who just acquired a taurus 1911. He's new to shooting and wanted me to take him to the range and shoot. well, about a month ago we did just that. Warming up, i let him shoot my sigma 9mm. I can say that I am proficient enough with it, but when we moved on with his 1911, i can't believe the grouping i had with it. I think, i believe it's the nice crisp SA trigger on that thing. There's barely any takeup, light and it was just nice. I would LOVE to have a handgun with that kind of trigger.

Now the question is, if you're familiar with 1911 trigger, what would be the best alternative for it - keep it 9mm since i have a bunch of ammo stacked up - modestly :p and not thinking of branching out to the .45's just yet.
I can think of some, but never shot them:
* CZ 75 or the newer poly Sp07?
* 9mm 1911 style gun (i have no clue who makes them and the msrp)
* Sig P226 - like the idea of a decocker - seems pretty well built.

tried the cougar - hates it.
Tried the PX4 storm - pretty nice but can't seem to remember the trigger on that thing.

fire away guys, thanks

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August 16, 2009, 08:56 PM
For Cmfireman:
Purchased a Taurus PT709 ss-slide yesterday at Houston Gunshow.
Today, put 250 rounds through it; mixed: Win.9mm.115gr.jhp; Rem.9mm.115gr fmj; Amer. Eagle 9mm.115gr.fmj; Win.Bond 147gr.jhp (expensive but need to know for conceal carry). Your pics look like yo do have a burr on extractor. Mine does not look like that. Have some suggestions. Best, KewToo

August 16, 2009, 09:01 PM
I am not a professional, but If you enjoyed the 1911's trigger that much and the pistol must be a 9mm, I would just stick with a 1911 chambered in 9mm. I recommend the STI Trojan 9mm ($900-$1050) or the Springfield Armory Loaded model in 9mm ($700-$900). I am sure there are some other manufacturers that produce 1911s in 9mm, but those two are the ones that I have had good dealings with. I have never fired a 9mm 1911, but I have heard that it is low recoil and decently accurate. There also seems to be more problems reported from non-45 caliber 1911s, but nothing that cant be remedied.
Honestly, the other firearms you listed in your post dont come close to being as good as the 1911 in the trigger department.

I would stick with a 1911, but thats just me. Take a look at STI's 1911s, I have two and they are great.

Good Luck

August 16, 2009, 10:37 PM
Take a look at STI's 1911s


August 17, 2009, 12:36 AM
I've shot a Rent-A-Gun range's STI Trojan in 9mm and it is a fantastic gun to shoot. The STI trigger and something about how the 1911 design works with 9mm makes it seem like the gun almost aims itself. And all this in a gun that has been severely beaten on. If you go the Trojan route you won't be dissapointed by any means. But they ain't cheap. If you liked your buddy's Taurus then perhaps get one just like his and then, if this will be a range only toy, get a competition trigger/sear/hammer kit installed. This is the beauty of the 1911 platform, most of the aftermarket stuff is 100% compatible.

But if it'll be used for defense as well as play then you likely want to leave it stock or at least look into any legal/moral issues that come from a super light trigger with minimal reset.

As for the other guns you'll never find the same SA shortness of pull and tight reset in any of the DA/SA guns listed or others like them.

August 17, 2009, 12:57 AM
My Browning Hi-Powers all have very good triggers - no smithing, just good right out of the box: they have a nice, clean break.

You may want to check into one. It would be great if your local shop has one you can rent and / or let you put some snap caps in and dry fire a few times.

David E
August 17, 2009, 05:15 PM
A 5" XD or XD-m or a S&W M&P Pro, all with a trigger job will fill that role nicely.

August 17, 2009, 05:21 PM
Read this thread:

EAA Witness Elite Match You can find it new for around $500

This is the group I shot at 105ft. Sorry about using a high lighter for reference, but I did not have a ruler at the range.


Overall a great gun.


August 17, 2009, 05:36 PM
I have the P-07. Its decently accurate (maybe very much so and needs a new idiot behind the gun) but be prepared to drop at least another $100 into sights. The stock sites leave much to be desired.
Also its a new offering and as such holsters/accessories are just now finding their way to the market. CZ75 accessories are hit and miss with the P07. Holster don't work (square trigger guard) and the .22 kadet kit won't work (different mags) at this point.

Otherwise a nice carry gun.

The witness is a nice choice as it has a lot of caliber options available so one gun can shoot many different rounds as your preference/situation dictates.


August 17, 2009, 05:50 PM
I've got a P239 in 9mm with a really sweet single action trigger and a very short reset. Any of the Sigs will have a pretty good SA trigger.

Look for a used or CPO (Certified Previously Owned) pistol to keep the price reasonable.

August 17, 2009, 05:59 PM
CZ makes a number of match oriented 9mms that have very excellent triggers, and theres a SA CZ-75

August 17, 2009, 06:41 PM
Typically you will find the "best" triggers on a 1911. There will be some variation between manufacturers, but that platform will generally be better than other designs.

However, your point of reference is the S&W Sigma, which while a very solid pistol, is generally know for having a very heavy and "spongy" trigger, so just about anything else will be an improvement.

August 18, 2009, 08:54 AM
I like Sigs, but I wouldn't say their triggers are as nice as a 1911, but they are better than the average combat pistol. Take up slack, overtravel and a long, soft trigger re-set hinder the Sigs.

There really isn't a substitute for a nice 1911's trigger other than a good revolver. My choice was a .38 Super 1911, but I handload. If you don't, a 9mm 1911 might be the best choice for accuracy.

August 18, 2009, 07:08 PM
thanks for all the replies guys. Learned a lot today :)

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