Springfield 1911A1 = Jammamatic.


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bestseller92
August 20, 2009, 06:15 PM
I bought this thing new in 2001, sold it to my brother in law later, then got it back last year.

It's in perfect mechanical condition; probably less than 1000 rounds through it, but even clean and lubed, magged-up with Wilson Combat 47Ds and shooting hardball (the only kind of ammo it's ever seen), it's a jammer.

I took it out yesterday for a shooting session, but it jammed twice in the first four rounds and I got disgusted and had the session with my G22 instead (the Glock, of course, was flawless as always).

My Springfield's days are now numbered. I'm getting rid of it.

I may get another 1911 at some point, but this Springer is a POS.

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EHL
August 20, 2009, 06:20 PM
Have you called up Springfield about this? Your gun has a lifetime warranty. You might consider taking them up on this offer to fix your gun. It could just be one small little defective part that is causing all of this. I think you'd feel better getting it fixed instead of just complaining about it here on the forum. Good luck though.:)

bestseller92
August 20, 2009, 06:22 PM
I'm not gonna just complain -- I'm gonna get rid of it :).

I suppose my Glocks have spoiled me, but when I spend $505 on a gun, I expect it to work, at least with hardball. Don't really want the hassle and shipping expense of sending it back, either.

Having said that, I may contact Springfield and ask them about it. I do like the 1911 format, but I won't have an unreliable handgun.

V45C
August 20, 2009, 06:25 PM
a springfield that old shouldn't have QC problems... send it back , i'm betting its some small item out of spec...
did you clean the channel in the slide for the extractor ?
that can cause all kinds of havoc and is often overlooked...
modern SA's are crap , the old stuff was usually idiotproof...

mljdeckard
August 20, 2009, 06:26 PM
I dropped my Glock for a 1911. There is no reason this gun shouldn't run well.

Look at it this way. You already have another gun to carry and shoot while you wait. It's not like you are going to be empty-handed while you wait for it. Make them do their job.

glocks rock
August 20, 2009, 06:38 PM
It's free to send it back to SA and if you are going to sell it, you owe it to the next buyer to have it fixed for free. Just call SA and get a label.

KenW.
August 20, 2009, 06:41 PM
Heavens; send it to me, I'll get it fixed.Wanna swap it for a XD45 Compact? I'm "out west" too.

z3ro
August 20, 2009, 06:54 PM
I borrowed my girlfriend at the time dads SA 1911, and it jammed a lot to. I spent so much time cleaning that gun, and it never worked right. Luckly it wasn't mine. :)

Das Jaeger
August 20, 2009, 06:57 PM
and free shipping to and from , no brainer here . :banghead:
Springfield is one of the finest weopons out there , but like anything , once in a while something mechanical wrong happens in production , or its dirty . :what:
Get it fixed and sell it if you don't like Springfields , but your handgun is in no way reflective on Springfield as a whole or even a minute part of thier quality or Legacy .

Jaeger

Eightball
August 20, 2009, 07:12 PM
I've sent guns back to manufacturers for smaller problems.

Call up SA.....at least give them a chance to make it right before writing them off.

weisse52
August 20, 2009, 07:15 PM
I will agree send it back

Of the 1911's I have purchased new in the last 10 years a SA GI is the only one I had a problem with

SA paid for shipping both ways and fixed the problem first time

They even did some upgrades at no cost while they had it.

The Lone Haranguer
August 20, 2009, 07:19 PM
I agree it should not happen in the first place, but it may be some minor issue like extractor tension.

skipsan
August 20, 2009, 07:55 PM
Sounds like your mind is made up but none of my four Springfields will run reliably with Wilson magazines. Some, or maybe most, folks have no troubles, but there are a significant number of SA owners that have reliability issues with the Wilson mags. SA Customer Service has even acknowledged "issues" with the Wilson products. For my SA 1911s, the cheaper the magazine, the better it works.

CWL
August 20, 2009, 08:00 PM
Did it have similar problems during the first 7-8 years of it's life?

Just what exactly is the type of "jam" you are experiencing?

Granted that everybody makes a few 'lemons', but I think there's more to this story.

ugaarguy
August 20, 2009, 08:33 PM
It's in perfect mechanical condition; probably less than 1000 rounds through it, but even clean and lubed, magged-up with Wilson Combat 47Ds and shooting hardball (the only kind of ammo it's ever seen), it's a jammer.
Then it's not in perfect mechanical condition.
I took it out yesterday for a shooting session, but it jammed twice in the first four rounds and I got disgusted and had the session with my G22 instead (the Glock, of course, was flawless as always).
Ditch the Wilson 47Ds. I've also had 1911s that didn't like them. USGI 7 rounders, Colt 7 rounders, McCormick Shooting Star 7 rounders, SA factory 7 rounders, and Kimber (not Tac Pro) 7 rounders - in that order are the best 1911 mags I've used with the latter in a 3 way tie for third. All have been flawless for me, but the guns are smoother with Colt or USGI mags - especially USGI mags.

My Springfield's days are now numbered. I'm getting rid of it.

I may get another 1911 at some point, but this Springer is a POS.
Again, when did the problems develop? What type of jam? I agree with the other folks who've already said it - call SA. Free tuning or repair including shipping both ways is a sweet deal. Don't give up on it yet.

tydephan
August 20, 2009, 08:38 PM
If you haven't tried different mags, I'd definitely give that a shot before blaming the gun.

DasFriek
August 20, 2009, 08:42 PM
Thats what happens when you buy a Taurus,its jun.....Oh you said Springfield,yeh send that in.

mapwd
August 20, 2009, 08:42 PM
Springfield has THE BEST customer service in the industry and it has a lifetime warranty!! Send it in! I had a Glock 30SF that I got rid of to get back to the 1911. The 30SF has a ton of issues as well, any gun company puts out a lemon once in awhile. Give them the chance to make it right by you and I think you will feel differently about the gun.

Geneseo1911
August 20, 2009, 08:54 PM
I bought my SA used and it has only had one FTFeed to in it's whole life. I was riding the slide with LRN reloads.

Hollowpoints, FMJ, LRN (when I keep my fat hands off the slide), LSWC, no problems. SA is capable of making a dead reliable weapon. Give them a chance to make it right before you write them off based on a single experience.

One-Time
August 20, 2009, 08:56 PM
Try different mags

I only run factory SA standard mags or CMIs and have had no failures in my loaded model

hogshead
August 20, 2009, 09:17 PM
I owned a springfield champion compact and it was without a doubt the most reliable and accurate 1911 platform I have ever had.Imho springfield is tops of the mid class 1911s, far above the Kimber. My brother in law works for a hospital secuirty force and they get new issue weapons every 3 years last time around they got 14 kimbers and 12 WOULD not function.Seems Kimber was'nt really concerned, so now they carry Springfield xd 45. no malfunctions so far. He could not get CO to get a 1911 platform because of the Kimber,cant really fault him though.I would rather have a Springfield than any other 1911.But if druthers are are here give me my Glock any day, have 3 owned over 7 never had 1 to blow up yet,and have bought gun show reloads for 10 years .Have shot 40s in my Glock 20 for years before I knew better and the 20 is still my go to gun.

2nd 41
August 20, 2009, 09:35 PM
I sent a new SA Loaded back to SA for warranty work and an action job.
Their customer service is EXCELLENT. They tried as hard as possible to accommodate me. They communicated. They remediated. Give them a chance to make good. They want your business. They want you to enjoy their products and recommend them to a friend.
Call them and explain what's going on.

VA27
August 20, 2009, 09:38 PM
Have you tried a genuine Colt 1911 mag? I had a gun once that wouldn't run with any of the high-dollar aftermarket mags, but it was 100% with Colt mags. Go figure.

ants
August 20, 2009, 09:44 PM
it jammed twice in the first four rounds and I got disgusted this Springer is a POSI'm getting rid of it.
Well, at least you shot 4 rounds before you drew your conclusion.
Some people jump to a conclusion after just 2 rounds, which isn't fair at all. (Just funnin' with ya.)

Truthfully, if you don't like it, I agree with you that you should get rid of it. Period.
No law says you have to keep it or get it fixed.

mec
August 20, 2009, 10:49 PM
could be weak magazine springs or, given the round count, it could be that the extractor gave it up. I had a couple of them that relaxed after 900 rounds. Knowledgeable people looked at the springfield extractor on the second one and pronounced it way out of spec and inferior.
One place I ordered an extractor listed separate ones for Springfield Armory. Apparently, they have their own notions about 1911 geometry.

earlthegoat2
August 20, 2009, 10:58 PM
Never had a problem with the Springfield 1911s so I would think a trip back to them would clear up any problems you may have.

ichiban
August 20, 2009, 11:00 PM
You are right - this is a totally unreliable POS and you need to get get rid of it right away.
What do you want for it? :D

Coronach
August 20, 2009, 11:23 PM
I agree with the posters above. The gun should run. The 1911 design is about as bulletproof as you can ask for, provided you stick to the original specs (which the Springer does, basically), and provided it is assembled well (which may be the issue).

Step 1: try different mags. Everyone holds up a certain brand of magazine as being The brand, saying they'll run well with all guns. Horsepucky. The 1911 design is made by so many different makers with so many shades of fidelity to the original design that not all mags will run well with all guns. The Wilson mag in particular is a serious deviation from the original design (even though it often runs great for most people, and does in my Sistema). You may want to try a true Colt-spec magazine and see what happens. Try a few other designs, too.

Step 2. Failing improvement with different mags, send it back to Springfield. It's broken, they need to fix it.

Mike

Bugman53
August 20, 2009, 11:24 PM
The wilson mags are made for wadcutter ammo. The hybrid and full taper gi mags are the one you need for hardball. I bet if you try one it wont jam. My springfeild does not feed well with the wadcutter mags.

And if you limp wristing it they are more apt to jam.

Or a the extractor tension will cause a jam also . All 3 2 min fixes.

Once set up correctly they will go 75,000 rounds or more with out a tweak. Just new springs every 5k or so.

O and what kind of jam. 3 point, stovepipe. FTF, FTE?

Go visit m1911 forums they will get you up and running.


O and DO NOT TAKE A DREMEL TO THE FEED RAMP. Or you will mess it up and it might never feed right.

eatont9999
August 20, 2009, 11:47 PM
Can you explain the kind of jam you are having? It could be as simple as a bad extractor or a strong spring.

bestseller92
August 21, 2009, 07:42 AM
I've tried different mags. I got the 47Ds specifically because the darn thing wouldn't run with the factory mags.

On one of the two malfs I had the other day the extractor "lost" the rim of the empty case as it was attempting to extract it.

On the second, the fresh round made it halfway home and gave up.

But I've had other types of malfs with this gun in the past.

I'll call Springfield and see what they say, though I have precious little patience and even less time to deal with unreliable handguns.

LancerMW
August 21, 2009, 08:06 AM
never had probs w/ any Springer 1911's

kanook
August 21, 2009, 08:21 AM
if you decide not to get it fixed and sell it, are you going to tell the next owner about the problems that you are having or are you going to say it's a "pos" and it's not worth squat?

Just asking cause I've been bought broken guns that I was told "I hate to sell this, It's my best gun and I need the money". I fix them myself but still, if I knew it was broke to begin with it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that they knowily sell it not working is was kills me.

bestseller92
August 21, 2009, 08:25 AM
If I sell it to an individual I will be forthright about the problems it has had, yes. It would be unethical not to do so.

paul45
August 21, 2009, 08:25 AM
On one of the two malfs I had the other day the extractor "lost" the rim of the empty case as it was attempting to extract it.

I would suggest, like several others have, to adjust your extractor.

http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm

Also take a little time and learn/read up on 1911s. M1911.org is a good place to start.

.45&TKD
August 23, 2009, 01:09 AM
My first hangun was a Springield Loaded 1911 I bought new in 2001. It drove me nuts with jamming until I replaced the extractor with a Wilson Bullet Proof Extractor and learned how to tune it myself. That and the 47D mags and never had a problem afterwards. (And I would not trade that learning experience).

I read that the Springfield extractors were pretty "limp" around that time. I ended up selling it because I did not like the blocky front strap Springfields had at that time, but it ran fine.

SupraBo
August 23, 2009, 12:47 PM
I truly understand your frustration.

These pistols are made in Brazil and it makes me sick that an American gun manufacture does this. I bet John M. Browning would be outraged to find out his pistols where being made like this.


If you want a good 1911, A Colt is a great option. The steal quality/consistency is top notch for the price. Caspian of course is better, if you want to have a gun built.

Or just buy a Les Baer and be done with it. It might be a little more money but the gun will never lose its value.

LancerMW
August 23, 2009, 12:52 PM
every company has lemons, ive seen people have to send glocks back

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