Smith and wesson .38 or rossi 357?


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Younggunner
August 20, 2009, 08:32 PM
Hello,
I'm pretty new to the area of handguns, I've handled them but only shot an old taurus 22 revolver. I use rifles and shotguns more. My question is should I get a smith and take a less potent caliber or get a lesser revolver and a have a 357? Is a 38 really that inadequate? And does rossi make reliable guns? It's a revolver so what can be the biggest problem?? The smith is $220 without tax the rossi is $370 without tax... What would you do?

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ArmedBear
August 20, 2009, 08:39 PM
Get the Smith for $220.

I wouldn't feed a Rossi a steady diet of magnums anyway, and the Smith is a nicer gun for less.

Dry fire both in Double Action at the shop. The decision will be an easy one.:)

bja5006
August 20, 2009, 09:00 PM
Definitely the Smith.

I have a Rossi 461 (.357). The extractor spring collar broke, cylinder release spring broke, all within the first year. It still functions, but isn't worth much anymore. It never leaves my nightstand now.

Bought a S&W 442 (.38+P) and carry it all the time, shoot it often, no problems.

Sounds like you're getting a REALLY good deal on a Smith, especially these days.

.38 spl is NOT inadequate. Everyone would carry a .500 mag in a perfect world.

Younggunner
August 20, 2009, 09:15 PM
Ok it's a 4 inch and it's double action only, but I like that, it looms a little more modern to me.

MCgunner
August 20, 2009, 09:16 PM
I've owned a handful of Rossis and they're all decent guns. I still have two that I like. I don't care for Smith's lock design and the Rossi has no lock, but .38 is PLENTY for self defense and there's lots of effective ammo out there. The Rossi .357 M462/461 is all steel and kind of heavy. The 642 is the perfect pocket revolver for self defense, light for pocket carry and easily carried all day long. Between the two, excluding that the Smith is generally a slicker gun, better trigger, I'd give the nod to the 642 for carry and it's about the most affordable Smith in their line. Yes, Rossi does make reliable guns, but at full price, around 400 bucks, the Smith 642 is a better deal, really, for a carry gun IMHO. At the price you're quoting, it's a steal. I can still buy a 462 Rossi for around 300 bucks at Academy, so I think that Rossi quote is too high. Get the Smith. Check it over real good for timing and looseness, follow the sticky on revolver check out, but if it checks out, it's by far the best deal and the best carry gun of the two IMHO.

MCgunner
August 20, 2009, 09:20 PM
BTW, I don't see a model number on the Smith and Wesson of which you speak. You're saying the Smith is a 4". Might be a M10, great hardware, but not real concealable compared to the 642 of which I speak. I think I'd shop on, myself. I have a Rossi I really like, good gun, but that price is high. I'm assuming concealed carry, though. If you're not going to carry it often, get the Smith and live happy cause no matter what the model number, that's a killer price.

Jim K
August 20, 2009, 09:21 PM
Get the S&W.

Jim

Younggunner
August 20, 2009, 09:35 PM
Mcgunner the model is the model 64 and I can choose between a hogue grip or a wood grip. I'd like the hogue though just because it feels more comfortable.

Oro
August 20, 2009, 09:41 PM
Get the Smith for $220.

+1. I think you see the trend here. ;) That's a great deal on an S&W .38 in good condition, regardless of model (and a screaming deal on some).

Dr_2_B
August 20, 2009, 10:00 PM
Yeah, Smith.

Iggy
August 20, 2009, 10:07 PM
Another vote for the Smith.

pharmer
August 20, 2009, 10:13 PM
Even if the S&W was $370 and the Rossi $220 (which is how I read it the first time) I'd get the S&W. Joe

frankiestoys
August 20, 2009, 10:24 PM
I own two smith's, good reliable guns iv'e never had a problem with any of them.
Never owned a Rossi ,not my first choice, maybe for the right price and function.
A 38 is more then enough for HD,drop in some hollow points.
Look at a Ruger before you buy, IMO they rule.

wnycollector
August 20, 2009, 10:27 PM
+1 on the S&W .38. Since it is a 4" barrel, feel free to load it with ANY manufacturers 158gr +P LHP. Georgia arms makes a nice inexpensive version of this classic load (its been stopping bad guys for 50+ years). By buying the .38 you can save $150 and spend it on as much range ammo and targets as you can afford. Then go out and PRACTICE!

content
August 20, 2009, 11:44 PM
+1 for the S&W the price is great // get model number and serial number and check back for DOB first/// buy some 38special 125gr. FMJ blazers and have a blast.

weregunner
August 21, 2009, 01:32 AM
It's Rossi time!
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=20474.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=12417.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1187.0
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http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7534.0
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http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=247.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=8696.0

I do own a 462. Cylinder lock up is tight, timing is excellent, no end shake, and the 158 grain rounds, either magnum or in .38 Special, hit to point of aim at 15 yards.

I like the 6th shot over the 5 shot snubbies.

There is also the Taurus new 856B2 six shooter to consider. Not the magnesium model of it as it is not +P approved. Then again, there are those who choose not to go +P for medical or other reasons.

C-grunt
August 21, 2009, 01:51 AM
Smith for sure.

sidheshooter
August 21, 2009, 02:23 AM
I own both a 4" DAO S&W model 64 (ex-NYPD) and a Rossi .357 (742, an older 6-shot interarms gun from the 90's).

I have shot both a lot, and both work. That said, since I have exemplars of both guns myself, I feel fairly qualified to say this:

Step away from the computer! Go buy the S&W! Now!

That's a great deal for what is probably a very serviceable weapon. You can load it up with buffalo bore 158 gr LSWCHP +P and have as much punch as anyone really needs out of that 4" tube. I have shot bowling pins with my 64 and the old cor-bon version of that hot BB load, and it smacked 'em right off the table.

For $220, you could pay extra to have a decent gunsmith slick the dickens out of the action and still*come out ahead, IMHO.

kanook
August 21, 2009, 08:49 AM
Get the Ruger. (just kidding) The price of the Smith at $220 is a steal. It might be easier to sell the Smith if you decide and you will probably get all your money back, the Rossi might be a harder resale to recoupe all your investment.

MCgunner
August 21, 2009, 09:37 AM
Mcgunner the model is the model 64 and I can choose between a hogue grip or a wood grip. I'd like the hogue though just because it feels more comfortable.

A, STAINLESS M10. :D And, for $220? I'd have not been able to get my wallet out fast enough, personally. Buy it on credit if you have to. LOL You can buy a carry piece that's a little easier to tote, later, if that's what you're really looking for, but I don't like passing up killer deals like this, myself. It may not be the perfect carry, but would be OK IWB if you needed and a super home defense revolver and a lot of fun and, well, for $220, if it's in good shooting shape, get it. I like the Rossis, too, just 370 is too much for one, I can get one for quite a bit less, and that's just a killer deal on a Smith 64.

Oh, you're right on Hogues. I love Hogues on most revolvers and even my Ruger P series pistols. I have Hogues on my 4" M10 Smith and my 3" M66 Taurus .357 carry. They feel awesome and natural in my hand.

skoro
August 21, 2009, 10:18 AM
That S&W Model 64 for $220 is an unbelievably good deal. Buy it this morning, if someone else hasn't gotten it first. :)

weregunner
August 21, 2009, 10:25 AM
Price being the overall factor here the S&W product gets the nod.

This would be more in line for a Rossi in .38 Special.
Rossi 851, 4in Barrel, 38Spl, Rubber Grips, Blued $295.00 new - BudsGunShop.com

Not 370 smackers.

It's about $335 for a Rossi in .357 magnum.

weregunner
August 21, 2009, 10:32 AM
There's nothing wrong with saving up for a .357 magnum in Rossi or Taurus guise. Just that are you able to shoot .357 mags reliably and well.

For some people the .357 magnum is a bit much. Especially if used for a home protection gun. The noise factor and the fireball indoors can become debilitating.

The .357 magnum revolver is more versatile than a .38 Special one, but the .38 Special in 158gr. lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint, Speer 135gr +P Gold Dot, and other fine rounds have been getting the job done well for decades.

Not everyone needs the extra power of the .357 mganum.

Short shot to shot recovery time,ammo cost,easier to become more proficient with a revolver, and less muzzle flash and recoil make the .38 Special an excellent choice.

Homerboy
August 21, 2009, 11:35 AM
Model 64 DAO? Sounds like a cop gun. NYPD maybe? We used to carry those.

ArmedBear
August 21, 2009, 11:48 AM
I don't care for the finger-groove Hogues on a square butt gun (or a square-butt style grip). They work fine on a round butt, IMO, but on the square butt, they force my fingers into odd angles.

I replaced the factory Hogues with Ahrends tactical no-groove wood grips on my 686, and both I and my wife, despite different-size hands, prefer the wood grips.

YMMV:)

Younggunner
August 21, 2009, 02:57 PM
Ok, like I said, I'm new to handguns so I have a question about the revolver itself...
Why is there only a front sight on the gun? I know it's not a sniper rifle but does this affect the accuracy of the gun at all? Does it really matter of is it just a different design? Because I know the rossi does have a rear sight.

MCgunner
August 21, 2009, 06:52 PM
Every M64 I've seen has a notch rear sight in the frame backstrap just like the M10 blued variant. No, I wouldn't want a gun without sights, though some have been made. Even an NAA mini has SOME kind of sight, tiny as it may be. Pick it up and sight down the top strap and see if the front sight doesn't all into a notch. I guess it COULD be machined out, but I'm not sure why anyone would do that if they could. I could understand removal of the front sight (more anti-snag) quicker and that would be a lot easier to do.

Younggunner
August 21, 2009, 08:34 PM
Well the gun has only rear sights, only a front blade sight.

Younggunner
August 21, 2009, 08:37 PM
Well the gun has no rear sights, only a front blade sight.

indiandave
August 21, 2009, 08:42 PM
The model 64 has fixed sights. The notch in the rear is the rear sight. I have it's brother the model 10. the gun shoots great. It's a steal at that price.

Younggunner
August 21, 2009, 08:48 PM
Ah that makes more sense thankyou Dave.

MCgunner
August 21, 2009, 09:18 PM
What I was trying to say. It's not an adjustable, but it will shoot straight, probably regulated for 158 grain. Fixed sight guns are desirable for carry as the sight can't be broken off or can't hang on clothing on the draw. The 64's front sight is very smooth ramped for snag free draw, too. Some front sights with a more target partridge profile present a sharper angle, can catch and grab on things if used for concealed carry.

Younggunner
August 22, 2009, 01:05 PM
Ok thankyou.

woad_yurt
August 22, 2009, 01:53 PM
Go S&W. Trust us.

weregunner
August 23, 2009, 12:50 AM
Oh,trust them indeed. Not necessarily. Had to go there,eh?

http://www.firearmsid.com/Recalls/FA_Recalls%205.htm
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/indexphp?topic=8478.0

There's that S&W superiority again. Take a loooong look at the recalls in the link.

That and the fact that S&W was sued over the SIGMA by Glock and Glock won.
Those links can be brought forth if needed.

Since the Taurus users actual use trumps others who have no Tauri then anything else written about them would seem irrelevant.

S&W builds good guns. They do not have the corner on the market for overall assumed superiority.-------------------------------------------------------

The above is from another thread at TFL forum. This is from a dredged up ancient thread about a year old that some one felt obiliged to add their 2 cents worth to. Why after almost a year the advice was tacked on we can only guess at.

The OP had or would have made his choice long before that. Nor did he say which way he did choose. We wish him the best on which ever choice he made.

The same thing happened there as here.Those who had little or no direct experience with the product were either saying something else was superior when that was not the proven case. No hard data don't you know. Or the "anointed ones" who feel they are superior to everyone were to take their word as gospel over the owners who actually used the product and it ws found satisfactory by the msjority of users.

Rossi builds good ones,too. Their users have the actual experience with the guns. No one else does.

So look all the evidence over that is put forth and then decide wisely.

What ever fiits you and your needs better is the one to pick.

Virginian
August 23, 2009, 01:05 AM
If you can find a Rossi Model 68 in .38 Spl. for around $200 I would say that is a better deal than either of the other two. Best revolver Rossi ever made.

swampboy
August 25, 2009, 05:29 PM
If you can find a Rossi Model 68 in .38 Spl. for around $200 I would say that is a better deal than either of the other two. Best revolver Rossi ever made.

I've got a model 68 that I bought new back in the mid-80's. It hasn't been shot TOO much, but it's a nice, tight little gun with excellent fit and finish. Not rated for +P though.

wvshooter
August 25, 2009, 09:17 PM
If the Smith is in good condition get the Smith. If the Rossi is in good or bad condition don't get it. Or in other words, don't buy any Rossi in any condition, at any time or any place. I have a Rossi 357 I bought new and I can assure you that you don't want one. I also recommend you pass on any Taurus. Stick with Smith or Ruger.

wep45
August 25, 2009, 09:42 PM
Mcgunner the model is the model 64 and I can choose between a hogue grip or a wood grip. I'd like the hogue though just because it feels more comfortable

youngunner...............i hope you are NOT still THINKING about it.:confused:

go out NOW and get it and don't look back. you will not regret it.:)

Deltaboy
August 25, 2009, 11:55 PM
another vote for the Smith.

xstuntman
August 26, 2009, 01:39 AM
I've got the Rossi .38 5 shot and love it. All steel, plus P rated and it was $259. Passed on the S&W. X

neverjeg
August 26, 2009, 02:05 PM
SW will most likely hold value better. I had a Rossi 357, yoke screw fell out after about 300-400 rounds. I ordered a couple of replacements, but they kept sending the wrong one then amazingly the range guy found it and we locked it in. Gun was still shooting well and tight - sold it shortly after.

middy
August 26, 2009, 04:15 PM
J&G Sales has loads of these model 64's with bobbed hammers from $220 to $250.

Tempting...

swampboy
August 26, 2009, 04:22 PM
J&G Sales has loads of these model 64's with bobbed hammers from $220 to $250.

I saw those too. I hate bobbed hammers though. I wonder if a new regular hammer would be a drop-in fit and what a hammer would cost. Might be a worthwhile project.

mbt2001
August 26, 2009, 06:09 PM
Rossi may be owned by Taurus, but the two Rossi's I have purchased have both digested over 1,000 rnds of .38 and .357 ammo with NO PROBLEM.

The ONE Taurus (model 66) I bought went through almost 100 and broke. The timing was off and one of the rnds slammed into the forcing cone seizing up the gun. I took it back and exchanged it for the Ruger.

Rossi's I trust. Taurus are hit an miss.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 26, 2009, 06:42 PM
Is a 38 really that inadequate?

That question cannot be answered because use of the word "that" presumes that a .38 IS inadequate. Since a .38 is NOT inadequate in the least for self-defense, it cannot be "that" inadequate.

If it's a pre-lock Smith, get the Smith, bigtime. If it's a lock Smith, then meh, either/or.

middy
August 27, 2009, 06:58 PM
I saw those too. I hate bobbed hammers though. I wonder if a new regular hammer would be a drop-in fit and what a hammer would cost. Might be a worthwhile project.

No, I believe the hammers are fitted parts, and the DAO models might require a new trigger as well (another fitted part).

Still tempting...

Ohio Rusty
August 27, 2009, 08:43 PM
The question is like asking do you want a Lexus or a Yugo ???

Dump the Rossi idea and get the Smith. Smith and Wesson have been making pistols since ..... 1888 ??? They have it down pat and their products are excellent. If you want a .357, S&W make lots of different models, and their re-sale vale is excellent if you decide in the future to unload it.
Ohio Rusty ><>

ArmedBear
August 27, 2009, 08:59 PM
Smith and Wesson have been making pistols since ..... 1888

1854, although their original design evolved into the Winchester rifle.

S&W re-formed their partnership in 1856, when they made their first revolver.

The first modern-style revolver was introduced by S&W in 1899 (DA Hand-Ejector design). Every DA revolver since has been based on this design.

That said, Mssrs. Smith and Wesson died a long time ago, and there have been some truly excellent revolvers made by other companies. Rossi isn't among them, however.

Christobyl
August 28, 2009, 07:57 AM
I just picked up a Rossi 461 2" .357 mag. I am impressed with the fit and finish of the parts. I assumed Rossi was a junky brand. It turns out the gun is made of forged steel from a design pre dating the merger with taurus.

So far my only concern is the relatively heavy DA trigger pull, SA is beautiful.

Compared to the quality of machine work within s&w ppk/s, I will take this rossi.

Mrs Smith&Wesson didn't have a keyhole in the side of her head back in the day either, since being purchased by saf-t-lock inc. They are guilty until innocent in my book.

I am going shooting soon, will shoot 125gr magnums and 140gr .38. If it turns out to be junk I will say so. For now, I have this tingly pride of ownership feel going on.

omega42
August 28, 2009, 10:58 PM
Good luck. My 462 is nearly new - 50 rounds through it so far. I'm not too sure about it right now. In that short time I had the cylinder lock up once and needed extreme force to eject spent brass a couple of times. If the weather holds I'll be on the range tomorrow with a different brand to see what happens.

MCgunner
August 28, 2009, 11:58 PM
Dr. Tad, your new sig line is still crackin' me up. ROFL!

MCgunner
August 29, 2009, 12:00 AM
The ONE Taurus (model 66) I bought went through almost 100 and broke. The timing was off and one of the rnds slammed into the forcing cone seizing up the gun. I took it back and exchanged it for the Ruger.


I've got two 66s that have digested multiple thousands of rounds. Never had a problem with Taurus, had a firing pin issue with a Interarms Rossi 971. I do still have two Rossis and 3 Tauri (two 66s and an 85UL).

Also had a cracked forcing cone on a M10 Smith and Wesson, so ya know, like they say, stuff happens.

mbt2001
August 29, 2009, 12:22 AM
I wouldn't mind having another Taurus, but they are priced the same as Ruger, Rossi's (however) are not so high in the price. So I either buy the Ruger or the Rossi...

;)

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