[Ironbarr]

I've been using Win Q3131A (5.56)(Israeli Mfr) totally for a year... All of a sudden I can't find any - local dealer has none - just the Win .223 Rem.

Has there been some sort of ban on this? Hate to have to recalibrate my sights - and my eyeball/brain/muscle coordination ;) (what there is of it).

-Andy

[treeprof]

Internet rumors are that IMI is no longer making it, at least for U.S market, but I've not heard anything solid. Some stuff on AR15.com.

[dbshabo]

I also read on ar15.com that Winchester pulled the plug on IMI producing Q3131A. Go to www.botach.com and order 1200 rounds of IMI 5.56 55grn for $189 shipped. I got a 1200 round case from them last week. I will be willing to bet it's the same ammo as the Q3131A, if I'm not mistaken it's made in the same factory. What I got is hot and sealed.

Shabo

[uglygun]

man I will be pissed beyond belief if the great deals are no longer able to be found.

Back around June I picked up 2k rounds of Q3131A for only 350 dollars delivered.

I hope that stuff keeps coming in. It is a GOOD replacement for the old PMC of yester-year that I used to shoot like crazy, the days when the PMC 55grn load was actually comparable to M193.

[treeprof]

Again, just rumors at this point.

If they stop, someone will eventually step up to meet demand.

[ny32182]

I too have heard that its getting much harder to find.

Does anyone have an opinion as to weather the GA Arms SS109 load (steel core, I presume?) is a viable alternative that is worth the $180 per case that they want for it at gun shows? I've bought their 55gr canned heat plinking load before, but I think that is normal .223 commercial pressure.

Does anyone know if their SS109 is loaded up to mil-spec?

[treeprof]

The Ga Arms "SS109" is underloaded - about 2800 fps MV. I have a bunch and it shoots ok, but is not mil-spec.

[greyeyezz]

Can someone post a link to this "rumor"?

[ny32182]

The Ga Arms "SS109" is underloaded - about 2800 fps MV. I have a bunch and it shoots ok, but is not mil-spec.

Hmmm.... do you happen to know what the velocity of the 55gr FMJ is? How about the ballistic tip?

They make +P handgun ammo. You'd think they could make a 3200 FPS .223 load.

[treeprof]

Grey - Here's a link:

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=170351&w=searchPop


ttbadboy - I've got some right in front of me. It's 3150 fps on the 55 FMJ. I don't know the test bbl length, but a lot of the commercial stuff is from a 24", whereas Q3131A is rated at full speed (3270 fps) from a 20" bbl. I don't have any Ga Arms Ballistic Tip, but their 55gr Blitz King I have is listed at 3200. Both are pretty good, but an accuracy edge definitely to the Blitz King. The FMJ is comparable to Q3131A. I don't know why they won't load the SS109 any hotter, but the bullets are the green tips, from pulled components.

[Fly Navy]

Bass Pro seemed to have a ????? ton of it when I was there today. Bought some for myself :D

[WhoKnowsWho]

Well that sucks!

I hope the rumour is not true, I would "hate" to have to buy dies to reload my brass instead of buying it so cheap.

[ny32182]

Thanks treeprof. I have a good bit of the 55gr FMJ on hand right now for plinking; sounds like it works well for that. I'm shooting it out of a 20" and a 16" chrome lined ARs.

Two other points: 1, I keep talking about GA Arms since they always have a table at the local gun shows, and thats just usually where I get my ammo. If there are better choices out there, feel free to volunteer them. And 2, I've actually been thinking of putting a scope on my 20" and using it for deer hunting for the first time. Not the best idea in the world, I know, but it is legal in SC, and I don't want to buy a whole new gun. A clear shot from inside 200-250 yards or so with a 20" would do the job, I think. Any ammo recommendations for that purpose?

[treeprof]

Win 64 gr Power points would be one choice for deer, and other mid or heavier weight softpoints should work. I'm not much of a hunter anymore these days, but others here probably could give you good advice. Might try a search here on TFL or on the old Firingline site as well, b/c I seem to remember this topic coming up.

Nothing wrong w/Ga arms ammo. I've shot thousands of cummulative rounds of their stuff, including .38 Special, .357 Mag, 357 SIG, 9 mm, .40, .45, .44 Mag and .223 with never a problem, and my dad has shot a lot of their .45 Colt and .454 Casull. I use their Gold Dot ammo for carry in 357 SIG and 9 mm.

[ny32182]

Sounds good... I use their Gold Dot loadings for SD purposes in 9mm and .40 also, and never a problem.