Anyone have papers on when shooting/carrying?
Skunkabilly
January 19, 2003, 12:36 AM
I don't know if it's to the point where it's so bad we have to show papers when shooting, but I printed out an ATF letter to Vertigo7 about using 40 cal mags in a 9mm pistol.
Just in case.
Does anyone else carry legal opinions or other papers on them while shooting if they get stopped and the officer is just as confused about the law as the rest of us and errs on the side of arresting you?
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doseyclwn
January 19, 2003, 02:14 AM
Here in VA, open carry is legal, but not everyone knows that. I carry openly, and have a letter printed out from a member of the VA State Police confirming the legitimacy of Open Carry. For those of you that live in VA, the link to that letter is below.
http://www.vcdl.org/new/VASP_OPEN.pdf
Peace,
Bill
Hkmp5sd
January 19, 2003, 07:13 AM
The only papers I carry are copies of my Form 4's for NFA weapons. Even that is not required by law, but can save a lot of hassle if you get pulled over by Barney Fife.
Tamara
January 19, 2003, 09:41 AM
Er, no.
Gordon
January 19, 2003, 10:11 AM
I made lots'o copies of the 2 pages of my legally registered assault rifles. When I transport or carry them I have copies in the cases. Nobody has asked or cares-yet.:scrutiny:
Double Naught Spy
January 19, 2003, 10:13 AM
Carrying a copy of some supposed legal opinion to present to the cop to set him straight on the appriate laws is going to work about as well as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card from Monopoly. The cop's perspective will likely always be that he is carrying out his duties in the appropriate manner and if you disagree, well that is why we have the court system in this country. You can present all the little pieces of paper you want to the judge during your court appearance.
lapidator
January 19, 2003, 10:47 AM
Think about it from the LEO's point of view. Would you really consider what a criminal gives you, i.e. documents, as law or policy?
If the LEO doesn't know its "legal" for you to open-carry, then some printed piece of paper isn't going to help much, is it? If it did help, why not carry a printed copy of the 2ndA around and then do whatever you want?
Seems like a wast of time, as you might as well keep quiet and see the judge -- its gonna be that way anyway.
lapidator
El Tejon
January 19, 2003, 11:14 AM
Sure.
1. Copies of Form 4s;
2. Indiana Criminal Code condensed.
All the coppers around here get a copy from the PA. It helps when you can give them page numbers (they actually look).
Never had need of either. Be prepared for trouble and you'll never have it.
doseyclwn
January 19, 2003, 12:13 PM
Carrying a copy of some supposed legal opinion to present to the cop to set him straight on the appriate laws is going to work about as well as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card from Monopoly. The cop's perspective will likely always be that he is carrying out his duties in the appropriate manner and if you disagree, well that is why we have the court system in this country. You can present all the little pieces of paper you want to the judge during your court appearance.
I think it depends upon several things, there. If a person is calm, not upset, and non-confrontational AND the LEO is a reasonable person, then you might stand a chance. Mostly I carry the papers I do not for LEO's, but for restaurant and store managers who don't know the law, and that DOES work.
sm
January 19, 2003, 12:26 PM
NO
I do carry my resident CCW and Non-Res FL CCW, and a phone #'s of my attorney and some other persons in case of emergency.
This is just what I'd carry anyway everyday--I mean get in a wreck I'd be more concerned about aspirin (I'm allergic to ASA) than any firearms stuff.
Gewehr98
January 19, 2003, 12:51 PM
Including copies of the ATF letter authorizing the aftermarket pistol grip furniture for postban AK's, under the "10-of-20" rule. If you're still there with a gun made illegal by the passage of Perata's SB-23, I'd think the owner would want to carry a copy of their DOJ registration paperwork. I knew for a fact that Kalifornia DOJ agents had been staking out several ranges in the Sacramento area looking at what was on the benches and in the racks. :(
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