Two new pistols, not much in common!


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Andy_C
August 23, 2009, 07:25 PM
Except I'm really excited about both, got them both last week. The first is an almost-new Colt 1911 Gold Cup Trophy, bought from the original owner who said he only put one clip through it. In the box with all original accessories, very nice! The second is a 140-year-old revolver, Smith & Wesson Model One third issue. I wish it could tell stories! They are so different it is hard to believe there is only about 40 years in time between their designs. Second to last picture shows the .22 shorts from the Model One looking up to big brother, the .45 ACP, the last one puts the two guns together!

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The Lone Haranguer
August 23, 2009, 07:37 PM
A break-under revolver? Interesting. :)

Can that be fired with modern smokeless .22 Short?

BCRider
August 23, 2009, 09:49 PM
That really IS a Mutt and Jeff team isn't it? :D

Both are nice additions but the Model 1 made my eyes do a radar lock. That's a sweetheart.

Andy_C
August 23, 2009, 10:16 PM
Thanks for the replies, I like the Mutt & Jeff angle, it is what I was thinking and I had to take the picture of the pair but you found the right analogy! I'd welcome thoughts on shooting modern ammo in the Model One - if I don't get some response here I'll start a thread on the revolver side and ask.

I don't think I want to put a lot of rounds through it, but Wal-Mart had one box of 50 rounds on the shelf for $3.47 so I cleared 'em out (there goes that WalMart ammo thread again...). Next guy in the door there with a Model One is going to have to wait for them to restock........:D

BCRider
August 23, 2009, 10:48 PM
Given the age don't be afraid to ask in the Blackpowder forum since there's a lot of knowledge about the antigues in there.

Although it's hard to imagine that .22 shorts could be significantly all that much stronger than the old days. But if you're worried about this aspect then consider the CB caps in .22. They are just that much more weak and would ensure you can enjoy the gun without any risk of any sort.

2RCO
August 23, 2009, 11:08 PM
The cylinders on Model Ones are pretty darn weak in reality. If you break one good luck finding another at a decent price. Also of note they have assembly stamps that match barrel frame and cylinder. They were designed for what was effectively a Blackpowder .22 short. They were not made for modern powders.

I have several Model Ones in first through third issues and would never suggest shooting them.

Enjoy the old girl they are a real piece of history and with their recent listing by American Rifleman as one of the top 10 guns of all time I think you'll see a price spike.

You can never go wrong with a 1911 as well!

Here's some of my girls with some 1 1/2's and a K and J frame thrown in.

http://www.2rco.com/sitebuilder/images/S_W_Family-600x450.jpg

Oro
August 24, 2009, 12:42 AM
A break-under revolver? Interesting.

It's called a "tip-up," technically. But as you noticed, different than a "top-break" - which was the next generation.

AndyC - I love both 1911s and S&W revolvers, but that Model 1 is a real dream, like BCRider said. In comparative terms, that is a very special piece. That is a real gem - I'd love to have one that nice. It looks original. How did you find one so nice?

Andy_C
August 24, 2009, 06:48 AM
Oro - I purchased the gun at a local firearms auction. The bulk of the sale was items from the estate of a guy who owned a local gun shop, he had mostly long guns, a lot of shotguns, and a few pistols, all his items were about 50/50 modern vs. antique, I have no idea where this one came from orignally. It is in really nice shape, action is very good, locks up well, and was $170 OTD, may have been one of the real bargains of the day I am now realizing.

Oro
August 24, 2009, 06:19 PM
Yes, a good deal. I would guesstimate condition from the photos as "fine." In like-new condition these are $2k or more, but price drops off quite a bit with condition. It's work probably $400 to $600 according to the "book."

The Lone Haranguer
August 24, 2009, 10:56 PM
Although it's hard to imagine that .22 shorts could be significantly all that much stronger than the old days.
Smokeless powder has a faster pressure "spike" than black.

Eightball
August 25, 2009, 12:20 AM
he only put one clip through it.Would that be a paper clip, a Garand en-bloc clip, or more along the lines of a Mauser, Enfield, or SKS stripper clip?

At any rate, if he put any clips through a magazine-fed pistol, you should get it taken to a gunsmith and checked out.



Nice deal, by the way.

2RCO
August 25, 2009, 12:36 AM
Ah jeebus the Clip police strikes again. I'm not even getting into how many experts say that using the term Clip is totally appropriate. Nor am I going to post pictures of Mags Labelled "Clip" by the manufacturer etc. etc... Nor will I quote the NRA who obviously knows less than all of the Internet Commando Clip Police.

To be a further smart aleck I'll add that if you've ever loaded a C96 mauser you'd know how handy a clip can be even by the Nitpicky definition.

Back to the thread at hand --You stole that 3rd issue at that price! Good Show!

chris in va
August 25, 2009, 01:32 AM
Clip clip clip clip <nice guns> clip clip clip clip

I like the word clip better.

cchris
August 25, 2009, 11:30 AM
I've fed a stripper clip into the internal magazine of my Mauser, should I get it checked out?

At any rate, let's drop the terminology policing and find out if Andy C has had a chance to shoot either.

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