Need a scope with eye relief. Burris Timberline


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atblis
August 25, 2009, 10:18 PM
Shopping for a scope for my 300 Win Mag. I originally purchased a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44 SF, but I discovered that 3.5" was not enough eye relief (almost). 4" or more of eye relief seems about right

I've also decided that was too big a scope so. I'd like to stay in the 3-9x40mm or smaller objective range.

Currently considering.

Leupold Vx3 2.5-8x36
http://swfa.com/Leupold-25-8x36-VX-3-Riflescope-P12641.aspx

Burris Timberline
http://swfa.com/Burris-45-14x32-Timberline-Rifle-Scope-P11003.aspx

The Burris Timberline intrigues. Eye relief seems plenty. I like the size. 32mm seems a little small for 14x, but I guess in low light I could just crank the power down. The tube seems a little short, so mounting might be interesting.

Anybody familiar with the Timberlines? Are they rugged and hold zero under recoil?

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atblis
August 25, 2009, 10:33 PM
After a little research, the Timberline is out. Doesn't sound like that fantastic a scope.

dmazur
August 26, 2009, 12:45 AM
The Zeiss Conquest in 3-9x40 claims 4.0" eye relief at any power. If you're going to a smaller scope, this might work for you.

jmr40
August 26, 2009, 06:31 AM
If you want eye relief Leupold is the way to go. The VX3's ain't cheap, but the 2.5-8X is probably my all around favorite scope.

atblis
August 26, 2009, 11:09 AM
I'll put the Zeiss Conquest on the list.

The Weaver Classic V7 might work. Eye relief is listed at 4.5"-3.5" for low power to high power. I have had very good luck with Weaver scopes. The adjustments have been dead on, and they've always held zero for me.

I wanted to get an Elite 4200, but the darn eye relief is too little.

lipadj46
August 26, 2009, 01:11 PM
Nikon Omega has something like 5" as I recall. Probably is equal to the buckmaster line.

Uncle Mike
August 26, 2009, 01:22 PM
Just inquisitive atblis, but why is 3.5" of eye relief 'not enough' for your particular application...?

atblis
August 26, 2009, 02:12 PM
The scope hits my eye under recoil.

JWF III
August 26, 2009, 02:57 PM
I'll second the comment of try a Leupold. But first, give this a try, it might save you some money.

Move the scope as far forward as it will go, and pull the rifle in tight to your shoulder. Holding a magnum loose, is a sure way to get tagged on the forhead.

Sliding the scope froward forces you to hold the rifle tight. It's worked for me for many years. I've never been hit by a scope on one of my guns. This includes a .300 WinMag as the largest rifle, and a scoped 3 1/2" 835 as the hardest recoiling gun.

On the plus side, holding the gun tight, will reduce felt recoil.

Wyman

Uncle Mike
August 26, 2009, 07:21 PM
The scope hits my eye under recoil.

And so will a scope with another 1/2" of eye relief!

It is NOT the short eye relief causing your black eye, but your shooting style...

You may not be holding the rifle correctly... when done right, you, your head and your eye will recoil WITH the rifle, the rifle will not recoil back at you, but YOU will recoil back WITH the rifle.

Your eye relief will remain fixed... static or during/after recoil.

Check your shooting technique.

Oh yea... get a cheek piece put on that cannon... your eye HAS to be vertically in line with the center of the scope WITH your cheek firmly planted on the stock.

If your 'heads-up'... cheek off or lightly against the stock, during recoil... the scope is gonna get ya.

atblis
August 26, 2009, 07:32 PM
A 1/2" will do it. It just barely kisses my eye. Too close for comfort.

Uncle Mike
August 26, 2009, 07:44 PM
Your head should move back with the rifle...

atblis
August 26, 2009, 09:21 PM
Apparently mine doesn't.

Zak Smith
August 26, 2009, 09:48 PM
I do agree with Uncle Mike. There is a good chance the ergonomics of the rifle are set up poorly for your body shape and shooting position. I recommend examining the length of pull and cheek comb height to make sure you have a good fit to the rifle. 3.5" is enough eye relief for shooting .338LM and .50 BMG rifles.

-z

UnTainted
August 26, 2009, 10:03 PM
Apparently mine doesn't.
the question is then why

viking499
August 26, 2009, 10:08 PM
What is wrong with the Burris?

I have been wondering about that scope for one of my guns.

Uncle Mike
August 26, 2009, 10:38 PM
atblis, the problem you are experiencing is one of the easiest to fix....

Alls you gots to do is brush up on the proper shooting techniques...much less expensive than purchasing a new optic.

What is wrong with the Burris?

Burris was, for many a year, one of the finest optics manufacturers on U.S. soil.
However today's Burris company plain ol' sux!

We have more complaints out of Burris product than some of the el cheapo stuff the boss man orders.
Case in point, customer comes in with a Burris Black Diamond in several pieces... no big deal, the rubber adjusting overlay dry rotted and cracked...we send to Burris for repairs...
A month goes by... no scope, we call, and call, and call...they lost it...they find it...
they send it back...ready for this...

It was signed to a different customer, that customer sends it back, we finally get it...
The reticle that was in it was no more, they had swapped the reticle, the overlay was not repaired and the ocular end was as loose as a goose... how ever loose a goose is.

We send back... we get back, 3 weeks later... overlay repaired... reticle now different, but not the original type...customer is now in low earth orbit!

This scope was back to Burris no less than 4 times and it still was not repaired correctly.

I could go on with this, but... this is but one case, there are many to tell...

We no longer carry Burris, when the stock is gone...

I think Burris has fallen trap to, make it fast and cheap... over there also(China).

I personally still like the U.S. made models they carry, like the Black Diamond and Euro to name a couple.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 27, 2009, 12:11 AM
If you want some insane eye relief - good for anything from a couple inches out to 8 or 10 inches on 3 power, then get a Nikon Omega or Slugmaster. The Slugmaster on 1.65 power can go out to 12-14" of ER, and all the way back down to a "normal hold".

Beyond that, Trijicon Accupoint has excellent eye relief. Leupolds typically close behind. But I don't think Leupold will be *much* better than the Conquest; maybe a little. There may be others I'm unaware of.

If the man would rather change his scope than his rifle/hold combo, then I say let him; it's not that unusual to want more than standard ER on a really big boomer loaded to full capacity.

Burris CS does indeed evidently suck horribly, as I've heard this repeated on several fronts. Decent scopes, but you'd better not get one that needs help.

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