Ruger 44 Carbines


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Flynt
August 26, 2009, 05:37 PM
I'm referring to the original gas-operated semi-autos that came out in the 60's. I'm thinking that one of these would make a great hog gun.

I know they've been discontinued for a long time. Are they considered good guns? If I bought one, would I be able to get parts for it? Thanks.

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chevyforlife21
August 26, 2009, 05:41 PM
ruger was makin these 3 years ago still i dont now though

GRIZ22
August 26, 2009, 05:45 PM
i think the semi auto was discontinued in the 1980s. They started making the lever actions maybe 10 years ago. For parts availability call Ruger Customer Service.

Ranger J
August 26, 2009, 05:49 PM
Rugger made two different 44 carbines, the earlier one and later on the Deerfield, which by the way has also been discontinued. I can't comment about the earlier but the Deerfield makes an excellent 100 yard deer gun and loaded right should be OK for hogs. I believe that Ruger suggests that you shoot only jacketed bullets in both as the lub on cast bullets tends to gum up the gas system of the guns.

rj

rcmodel
August 26, 2009, 05:52 PM
There are actually three different ones.

The original Deerstalker carbine.
http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---glendale---fine-rifle---1466863-rugdeerstlkr44m.shtml

The new & improved .44 Carbine.
http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---dundee---fine-rifle---1456474-rugr44carb-dun.shtml

And the Mini-14 based and completely different 99/44 Deerfield carbine made recently.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ruger_deerfield.htm

The original Deerstalker was a pretty darn good gun.
The later .44 carbine, maybe not so much.
The newer Deerfield 99/44 didn't prove to be so hot for whatever reason.

rc

Flynt
August 26, 2009, 06:04 PM
I was referring to the original Deerstalker and the "new & improved carbine." However, from my limited reseach, it would appear that they are the same gun. Apparently another manufacturer already had rights to "Deerstalker."

Nowhere Man
August 26, 2009, 06:05 PM
I had one of the originals that I loved dearly. Two of them, now that I think of it. Hard times forced me to sell them. Both functioned perfectly.

IIRC, there was reports of the gas system plugging up causing cycling problems on the original ones. It wouldn't stop me from buying one if I ever saw one available.


Dave

chevyforlife21
August 26, 2009, 06:10 PM
i was thinking the 99/44 was still being made. it was out in 05/06

351 WINCHESTER
August 26, 2009, 08:54 PM
I had a early ruger. It worked every time without a hitch. Only problem was it shot pie plate groups at 100 yds. with a scope. I think it would make a most excellent hog gun.

dmazur
August 27, 2009, 02:11 AM
it would appear that they are the same gun.

AFAIK, the "new and improved" carbine had a button beside the loading ramp that permitted unloading without cycling the rounds through the action.

(I have two of these, and I have seen pictures of the original, without the button.)

skidooman603
August 27, 2009, 04:25 AM
Amazingly hard to come by at the moment as well. Been trying to get one for a bud off GB and other auction sites. They are going for $650-800. He wants only the "NEW" version do to the the magazine change. Been pulling my hair finding him one at a decent price.

Teacher75482
August 27, 2009, 07:01 AM
I have the older one. Bought new back in the day. Tube fed. I guess it is probably my favorite rifel. I have killed a lot of deer with mine. It is good to every bit of 100 if not more.

Doesnt like the cheap 50 packs of ammo. I like Winchester 250s but about any hunting factory ammo has been good. I have killed deer with just about everything from 180s up to 300 cast.

Very short quick and makes them DRT.

kanook
August 27, 2009, 08:26 AM
Apparently another manufacturer already had rights to "Deerstalker." Nope, Ithica had the "deerslayer" and said the "deerstalker" was to close, Ruger dropped the name before court.

snorko
August 27, 2009, 10:37 AM
I had one of the original "improved" models and liked it a lot. I always wanted to put a full length mag tube on it for a 10 shot capacity.

GodGuns&Guitars
August 27, 2009, 11:50 AM
My brother has one with the sporterized stock. Not sure when it was made, but it is one fine shooting little carbine. He scoped it and has taken several deer with his using the 270 grain bullet. Fine little rifle.

cane
August 27, 2009, 05:26 PM
I'll never forget the day at the range when my wife picked up the .44 thinking it was her 10-22 and cranked off a round.

W.E.G.
August 27, 2009, 05:37 PM
Before anybody goes gushing over that discontinued (twice now) Ruger contraption, one might want to read an older thread from this site.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=63124

I don't remember folks who owned them thinking very highly of them at the end of the day.

TomADC
August 27, 2009, 05:44 PM
My mother had one not sure what happened to it, she died 1st then my step dad, have to ask my step sister where it went.
I used to fly home and borrow it for deer hunting, good shooting rifle I don't recall any problems with it, I know they used it for many years.

dmazur
August 27, 2009, 11:03 PM
Yep, they don't run right when they're dirty. I had feed problems that were very hard to diagnose, and it turned out to be accumulated WD40 "gum" in the magazine tubes. Both rifles had the same symptoms, and the one I bought off the Internet had it worse. Once the sticky residue was cleaned out, the timing of the magazine was restored to original and the feed problems went away.

(I thought about magazine capacity, too. Unfortunately, any attempt at lengthening is stopped by the gas mechanism, which is directly forward of the magazine. The "operating rod" wraps around the magazine tube, but is driven by the piston hitting the front of it.)

keano44
August 27, 2009, 11:15 PM
awesome deer & hog gun. Mine is now a SCOUT
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=356724

kanook
August 28, 2009, 08:17 AM
I don't remember folks who owned them thinking very highly of them at the end of the day.Mine was a POS for a couple of years till i figured out what ammo to feed it. The internet is makiing those little things come back to life

Flynt
August 28, 2009, 11:51 AM
One more question: I've noticed pictures on Gunbroker and GunsAmerica of scopes mounted with a base on the receiver and a base on the barrel, near the receiver. This seems to require a pretty long scope, out of proportion to the rifle. Is this the only way to mount a scope? Is the receiver not drilled for two mounts? Also, can I still find the mounts? Thanks.

kanook
August 28, 2009, 12:28 PM
both of mine are drilled for scopes from the factory. yes mounts are available, mine are redfield

rcmodel
August 28, 2009, 12:31 PM
The receiver is drilled & tapped for two bases or a one-piece base with four screws.
Weaver 47 and 68 bases fit the Ruger 44 Carbine Deerstalker.
There are probably other brands as well.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/community/gun_inventory/images/dundee/fine_rifle/1456474_rugr44carb_09l.jpg

http://z.about.com/d/hunting/1/0/b/H/ruger44carbines01w.jpg

rc

Flynt
August 28, 2009, 02:52 PM
Thanks, RC.

What kind of peep sight do I see on the top gun? How do you like it?

Thanks again.

rcmodel
August 28, 2009, 03:56 PM
Not my guns.
I just plucked the photo off the internet.

rc

kanook
August 28, 2009, 04:03 PM
Don't quote cause i don't know for sure but I think that is factory. I've seen to many for it not to be. If I'm wrong, ooops

rcmodel
August 28, 2009, 04:16 PM
I believe you are exactly right.

The Ruger .44 Carbine Owners Manual lists part number C-76R:
Rear sight, Receiver, (Williams) for $4.75!!!!

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/PDF/InstructionManuals/41.pdf

They went up a little it seems, but are still available.
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm

rc

SwampWolf
August 28, 2009, 04:16 PM
Probably the biggest difference between the original Model 44 (including the "Deerstalker" model), made from 1961 to 1985 and the later version introduced in 2000 (99/44 "Deerfield Carbine") is that the early series came with a four-shot tubular magazine and the latest ones were made with four-shot rotary magazines. There were other differences too, of course.

ElToro
August 29, 2009, 03:20 AM
i havea late 60s vintage one with a leuopold 3x in a tip-off mount, holds the zero very well.
it is so dead on out to ~100 yards with 240 factory stuff

T.R.
August 29, 2009, 07:37 AM
This is a good source for Ruger parts:

Jack First, Inc. 605 343 8481 - ask for Becky

TR

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