SKS vs Unconverted Saiga 7.62x39


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mp5a3
August 28, 2009, 02:07 PM
Any opionions from people who have show both. How do they compare accuracy-wise, trigger, weight and handling, sights, etc..

I probably prefer the looks of the SKS slightly (I like classic looks) but the Saiga's are only $349 brand new and the capacity is similar (8 vs 10 round)

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THE DARK KNIGHT
August 28, 2009, 02:27 PM
The stock Saiga handles pretty poorly, it's front heavy too. Unless you live in CA, I'd convert the Saiga.

Z-Michigan
August 28, 2009, 02:31 PM
A good deal on an SKS is at or below $350. The SKS is also a fully-machined rifle, and while that doesn't affect its effectiveness much, it does affect pride of ownership. The SKS is moderately heavy but reasonably balanced; the Saiga slightly lighter but unbalanced in "sporter" form. Accuracy will probably depend more on the individual rifle you happen to have than on the design differences. Sights are very similar, but longer sight radius on SKS.

Overall, if you don't plan to convert the Saiga back to intended configuration, the SKS will probably be more fun to shoot and possibly more practically accurate due to the balance and sight radius.

Sam1911
August 28, 2009, 02:40 PM
Yeah, that one's easy. If you're going to use the gun AS IS, get the SKS. It's a great rifle. Solid, reliable, little recoil, and a lot more accurate than most of the folks shooting them.

If you're buying a Saiga...do so with the plan of converting it.

-Sam

Deer Hunter
August 28, 2009, 02:42 PM
The saiga is just fine without "converting" it. It's also a brand NEW rifle. Most are more accurate than your average SKS as well.

bang_bang
August 28, 2009, 03:52 PM
Save up a few more bills and get a Russian SKS. There is your beauty and performance all rolled into one package. Probably going to be around $400-$450 for a nice Russian, but I think the looks of them are worth it. Plus, you know you have the real deal when it comes to a SKS.

pmbiker
August 28, 2009, 08:57 PM
The saiga is just fine without "converting" it. It's also a brand NEW rifle. Most are more accurate than your average SKS as well.

+1

Nothing wrong with a "stock" saiga.

Maverick223
August 28, 2009, 09:04 PM
Nothing wrong with a "stock" saiga.Have to disagree, the handling is atrocious, and the trigger is horrible...besides you can convert one for about $100.00USD, and if need be you can wait until you have the cash to convert...if dead set on leaving it bone stock...get the SKS. Oh, and FWIW I own neither but have fired my fair share of SKSs and AKs, and own a Saiga-12 that is 1000% better post-conversion. :)

bobotech
August 28, 2009, 09:10 PM
Stock Saigas Suck.

rangerruck
August 29, 2009, 12:31 AM
lighter than an sks, and more accurate than a sks; get some silver bear, hollow points, and watch the magic!!!

rangerruck
August 29, 2009, 12:35 AM
plus, the saiga can take regular type ak mags with a little dremel work, and conversion, and this is just me, but I absolutely hate, HATE, sks mags, with that stupid boomerang /bolt handle looking thingly hanging off the front of it!!! I am trying to just imagine, how inconvenient they must be, what do you carry them in, what pouches are made for those, can you carry 8 at a time, do they look totally gay, etc., etc. They really bug me to a deep level.

sarduy
August 29, 2009, 12:40 AM
flip a coin!

bensdad
August 29, 2009, 12:53 AM
An unconverted Saiga is, for all intents and purposes, a NEW AK from the original AK factory. Balance is a really big deal when I'm wearing a tweed jacket, shooting trap with my fud friends. In a fighting rifle... not so much. It takes an act of God to stop a Saiga. I'll take the Saiga any day over an SKS.

mljdeckard
August 29, 2009, 01:06 AM
Better question, Tapcoed SKS with tech sight vs any AK.

OrangePwrx9
August 29, 2009, 09:26 AM
If you're a reloader and hope to reload 7.62x39 for your gun, then you'd be better off with the SKS. The Saiga does weird things to the brass where the shoulder meets the case neck. Some kind of Russian gun control/law enforcement provision. Works the brass pretty extensively. I'd expect you'd get neck splits from your first reloading. I got neck splits right-away when I tried some ammo I'd reloaded for a Mini-30.

That's the only real beef I have with the unconverted Saiga 7.62x39. The .223 Saiga meets the legal requirement differently and you can reload for it.

These days, people should probably have reloading in the back of their mind for any gun they buy. I didn't really do my homework on the x39 Saigas I bought, but like 'em fine anyway.
Bob

Storm
August 29, 2009, 09:34 AM
Balance is a really big deal when I'm wearing a tweed jacket, shooting trap with my fud friends. In a fighting rifle...

Give that man a cigar.

Having both unconverted Saigas and SKS', I'd probably opt for the SKS, but just by a nose.

rbernie
August 29, 2009, 10:49 AM
The stock Saiga trigger is worse than the standard SKS trigger. It can be made better than the SKS trigger, but only by converting the Saiga back to AK config. The sights on both are pretty equal. I find the sporter stock on the Saiga to be more comfortable than the SKS stock. Of course, the Saiga has a detachable box magazine, and that has considerable value to some.

Maverick223
August 29, 2009, 01:25 PM
It can be made better than the SKS trigger, but only by converting the Saiga back to AK config.+1, if you are careful and slowly file the trigger hole for proper fitment you will be left with an excellent trigger on the Saiga. When I did my conversion, I used a cheap Tapco kit and adjusted it to about a 2lb. pull with no creep. It is by far the best AK trigger I have used and rivals 95% of AR triggers. It makes a heck of a difference. :)

RockyMtnTactical
August 29, 2009, 01:41 PM
I like the SKS better than the unconverted Saiga.

PT1911
August 29, 2009, 01:50 PM
I am impressed with the unconverted saigas. I hate the look and feel of most sks's and all modified sks's. the dingy little stock on an AK irritates me and is amazingly uncomfortable to use. I will take the saiga..without finagling.... any day over either of the others... and I actually like the sites and trigger.... there is no reason for that rifle to have a "match" quality trigger. it is a beat around gun that will take whatever you throw at it... Dressing the thing up seems somewhat like sporting out a gremlin. What is the point.... really?

Average Joe
August 29, 2009, 02:38 PM
The SKS

Maverick223
August 29, 2009, 03:29 PM
there is no reason for that rifle to have a "match" quality trigger.I disagree, when you can have one for about $20.00USD then it is very worthwhile...why not? I agree about dressing up a 7.62x39 Saiga with $500.00 worth in accessories and conversion parts...but the $100.00 that it takes for a simple upgrade is a good investment. :)

hunter25
August 29, 2009, 08:39 PM
It depends on the SKS. I have a Yugo and an unconverted Saiga.

The triggers are comparable but the SkS is longer, much more front heavy and does not have the easily available quality magazines.

I will take the Saiga every time.

My Saiga has been much more trouble free also.

CornCod
August 29, 2009, 09:01 PM
Both rifles are worth owning. SKS has the better handling qualities. The Saiga is easier to field strip (though the SKS isn't hard). The Saiga is significantly more accurate than just about any other semi-auto AK. The SKS and Saiga are pretty much at a dead heat as far as accuracy goes. SKS stripper clips are a lot cheaper than Saiga mags, which are pricey. I own both and can't say enough good things about them.

Ignition Override
August 29, 2009, 11:02 PM
The ergonomics of my Norinco SKS seem much better than those of an AK or Saiga.
There are no sharp edges etc on the SKS, but I've only tested an AK clone, not a Saiga.

For a little more money, the Russian SKS is reportedly the best, and only the Yugo has the forward
center-of-gravity grenade launcher.
The Yugo is no carbine, sort of like a MN 91/30.

For really deep and broad SKS info, "SKSboards" is interesting (they even have a forum for Albanians).

TimboKhan
August 29, 2009, 11:15 PM
The saiga is just fine without "converting" it.

I assume by converting, this means the use of straight AK mags? If so, then I agree that it should be converted simply on account of commonality and ease of finding AK mags. I think the stock saiga is fine as is, but the conversion makes it nicer.

PT1911
August 29, 2009, 11:19 PM
by conversion they mean (if I am not mistaken) changing the stock, trigger position, and mags.... I like the gun the way it is... an AK is not comfortable to me in the least... mags are cheaper sure... but I dont feel the need to own 37 mags for each of my guns, I dont mind the trigger position and prefer the saiga stock to the original ak stock...

Maverick223
August 29, 2009, 11:21 PM
I assume by converting, this means the use of straight AK mags?No, I believe that everyone is referring to moving the trigger forward and adding the traditional AK style furniture, but the magwell modification is also worthwhile IMO. :)

TimboKhan
August 30, 2009, 11:08 AM
Ah. Well, I like the Saiga as is then, lol.

twitch1706
August 30, 2009, 11:37 AM
You've got to be mindful of 922r if you take a stock Saiga and do just the magwell modification so it'll accept regular AK magazines... To my understanding, taking a stock Saiga and sticking a 30-rd AK magazine on it would be in violation. If you're going to modify a Saiga to accept boxmags, you've got to go the whole 9 yards.

Maverick223
August 30, 2009, 02:21 PM
If you're going to modify a Saiga to accept boxmags, you've got to go the whole 9 yards.That is mostly true...you could leave it with a stock/sporting appearance but you would still have to replace some of the parts for their American made counterparts. :)

kmcintosh78
August 31, 2009, 10:10 AM
I would not give up my Saiga for an SKS. In fact, I sold my SKS to fund the purchase of a NIB Saiga, but in the 308.
Love it, and it is unconverted.

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