Looking for a watered down 44 mag suitable for home defense...


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Balrog
August 28, 2009, 11:48 PM
I am looking for a mild factory load in 44 mag suitable for home defense. I am thinking a 200+ grain bullet at around 1000 to 1100 fps. Does anyone make such a load?

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David E
August 29, 2009, 12:12 AM
It's called a .44 SPECIAL !

Winchester, Buffalo Bore, CorBon, Double Tap all make a decent defense load in .44 Special.

Balrog
August 29, 2009, 12:14 AM
If I had wanted a 44 special load, I would have asked for it. I want a light 44 mag load, specifically I want it loaded in 44 mag cases, not 44 special cases. But yes, technically you are correct. What I am looking for is a 44 special load in 44 mag cases.

David E
August 29, 2009, 12:17 AM
Buffalo Bore makes a "reduced .44 magnum" load, but it's a 255 grain SWC @ 1350 fps.

Don't dismiss the .44 Special loads so easily, they appear to solve your stated problem. If you're worried about carbon build up, it's a non-issue. Just brush the chambers out when you're done shooting.

Balrog
August 29, 2009, 12:20 AM
I reload 44 magnum, not 44 special. If I find a factory load I like in 44 mag, then I can then reload those cases. I am not going to load 44 special. I don't have the time or inclination to play around with it from a reloading standpoint. So, 44 special fired cases are useless to me for anything other than trading or scrap.

Actually I think I found what I am looking for. The Winchester Silver Tip is a 210 g bullet @ 1250 fps... a little faster than i would really like, but not too bad.

David E
August 29, 2009, 12:35 AM
When I load .44 Special brass, I simply screw the dies in a bit more. takes all of 20 seconds.

I like to use the Special brass to help identify at a glance which is the full load and which is the light load.

I suppose in a self defense shooting, it would sound "nicer" in court if you used "light .44 Special" ammo as opposed to "Full power .44 MAAAAAGNUM ammo, just like Dirty Harry!"

(yes, I know in "Magnum Force," he admitted to using "light Specials," but the jury won't know that.)

Glad you found the round you were looking for.

Balrog
August 29, 2009, 12:37 AM
When I load .44 Special brass, I simply screw the dies in a bit more. takes all of 20 seconds.

Load work up takes more than 20 seconds. That is the part I don't want to do.

Blue .45
August 29, 2009, 01:19 AM
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sebtool
August 29, 2009, 02:02 AM
I'm no expert, but I'd be leery of using a handload for home defense. From all reports, the prosecution can have a field day with that.... Just my .02.

shibby
August 29, 2009, 02:10 AM
^even if they dont, why give that option?

the prosecution, that is.

BigO01
August 29, 2009, 03:32 AM
I'm no expert, but I'd be leery of using a handload for home defense. From all reports, the prosecution can have a field day with that.... Just my .02.

Problem is there are NO such REPORTS it's all nothing but some gunwriters imagination gone wild and spread like wildfire across all forms of print media and then lastly the internet forums .

The number 1 question you need to be concerned with whether it was a shooting or if you just stood there and let your dog/s rip someones throat out in your home is going to be was the whole thing justifieable according to your local laws regarding self defense !

In plain English was your or someone elses life in immendent danger of deadly force being used on them .

If the answer is NO it wont matter what your level of training is or ammo used you're in deep DO DO and may spend the rest of your life in prison , now if the answer is yes "which we all know the standards for that vary greatly with the political realities of every locallity" your basically home free regardless if you were using home made ammo , because quite frankly in todays world with all of these Specialty loads "where the components aren't even available for you to purchase" for self defense chances are your Home made job is going to be ballistically inferior to 90% of those loads you could have bought off the Average gunstores shelf marked "For Self Defense" .

Glockman17366
August 29, 2009, 04:15 AM
Just watch for squibs if you reload a "reduced" .44 magnum round.
I'm with the .44 SPL guys...if you want a reduced load, go with the .44 SPL.

Sport45
August 29, 2009, 06:48 AM
I don't think he's trying to reload anything. He wants a light .44mag production SD round and I believe he found it with the 210gr Silvertip.

That said, folks really don't typically blast through enough premium SD rounds that large accumulations of brass are a problem. In that regard I wouldn't discount the .44 special SD ammunition. So what if you wind up with some brass you can't use?

Balrog
August 29, 2009, 07:51 AM
I'm no expert, but I'd be leery of using a handload for home defense. From all reports, the prosecution can have a field day with that.... Just my .02.

Reloading for home defense? Where did I say I was going to do that?

I was specifically looking for a light factory load for home defense. I will reload the once fired brass for the range.

I guess I have not been clear enough. I want 44 magnum because I reload for it, already have loads developed, and don't want to have to sort 44 special from 44 mag brass.

Also, as for the warning about squibb loads in light 44 mag, what are you talking about? A 44 mag round with enough powder to go 1100=1200 fps isnt going to be a squibb.

wheelgunslinger
August 29, 2009, 09:55 AM
Remington express.
240gr 1180 fps. SP bullets.

buck460XVR
August 29, 2009, 10:56 AM
I'm no expert, but I'd be leery of using a handload for home defense. From all reports, the prosecution can have a field day with that.... Just my .02.

That's internet B.S. If a shoot is justifiable, a shoot is justifiable. When is a standard JHP/JSP reload any more deadly than the overhyped "Critical Defense" type factory ammo? Especially when it's downloaded from .44mag to .44spec. velocities. My suggestion to the OP is to use his bullet of preference at the range and load them with Unique.....mild, accurate and dependable.

That said, I'm a firm believer in using the same ammo in the gun when it's on the nightstand that I use when I'm at the range or in the woods.......cause I know where they shoot, and it just keeps things simpler.

markallen
August 29, 2009, 11:11 AM
I understand what you want to do with the .44mag to .44special velocities.
I load and carry my own ammo, despite what is normally said about carrying handloads.
I have never had any misfires with ammo I have loaded. I can't say that about factory ammo.
Beside with the argument of factory vs homemade, I load DOWN from .44 mag, So I can always say I wasn't loading a Hot Shot Cop Killer Ammo. ;)
The .44mag is my favorite round, but it is overkill when used for two legged defense.
I have an assortment of different brass, including some nickle brass.
My load is 200gr Hornady XTP JHP, on top of 9.2gr of Unique, in my Ruger Alaskan.
I don't have a chrono, but by doing the math, my estimates are I'm getting from 950 fps to 1000 fps, which produces muzzle energy of about 500 ft lbs to 575 ft lbs. That's about the same muzzle energy of a 45acp + P.
I use the nickle brass for my downlaoded .44mag, that way at a glance I can tell what is what. If you use separate brass, you can use a red, or any color sharpie to color the rim so you can tell the difference.

woad_yurt
August 30, 2009, 08:23 AM
CCI Blazer offers a 700-750 ft lbs hollowpoint .44 magnum loading.

loop
September 1, 2009, 06:39 AM
I read all the way through this post and have decided it is yet another pointless post.

Every ammo maker has its specs available online. Do your due diligence and find one that suits your needs.

It ain't rocket science!

bearmgc
September 1, 2009, 06:45 AM
Funny, I was thinking the same thing....Scores of info available from the powder companies, but he'd rather get load advice from a nameless poster.

svtruth
September 1, 2009, 11:40 AM
my copy of Lee's Modern reloading lists a 210 gr loading @985 fps, a 200 gr @1160 fps, a 225gr @1100, etc.
Good luck.

Balrog
September 1, 2009, 12:27 PM
Funny, I was thinking the same thing....Scores of info available from the powder companies, but he'd rather get load advice from a nameless poster

I am pretty sure almost every question ever asked on a forum could have been answered somewhere else.

If you don't like the thread, why waste your time responding?

zxcvbob
September 1, 2009, 12:34 PM
Your favorite 240 grain bullet, and about 7 to 7.5 grains of Red Dot.
Use cheap 240 SWC's for practice.

If you want factory ammo, might see if anyone makes .44 magnum "cowboy" loads. (they probably do because .44M is a popular chambering for lever-action carbines)

saltydog452
September 1, 2009, 01:36 PM
WW Silvertip was a kinda/sorta 3/4 44 Magnum load. Maybe it still is, dunno.

It didn't want to play nice in a Ruger 44 Deerslayer Carbine, so maybe it really was a less than Magnum load. I never clocked it.

Other than lead SWCs previously mentioned and Silvertips, I don't know of anyone advertising a reduced power 44 Magnum cartridge.

salty

bearmgc
September 1, 2009, 03:04 PM
Balrog, knock yourself out. I guess the internet makes some people lazy.
While we're at it, how about another thread on bug out bags, or which is better 9mm or 40SW, NOT.
There is a search function on this Forum....

riverdog
September 1, 2009, 03:41 PM
WW Silvertip was a kinda/sorta 3/4 44 Magnum load. Maybe it still is, dunno.

It didn't want to play nice in a Ruger 44 Deerslayer Carbine, so maybe it really was a less than Magnum load. I never clocked it.

Other than lead SWCs previously mentioned and Silvertips, I don't know of anyone advertising a reduced power 44 Magnum cartridge.

salty Maybe not now, but Pro-Load used to market a Light Magnum load using the 200 gr HP/XTP bullet -- 1100FPS IIRC. The powder was supposedly optimized for shorter barrels. FWIW

loop
September 2, 2009, 06:43 AM
Balrog,

You should have responded to me rather than bearmgc. I am the one who said the thread is pointless and that you failed to do your due diligence.

It is your gun! Do what you need to do!

Do not blame others for your failure to Goggle.

Girodin
September 6, 2009, 02:32 PM
I'm no expert, but I'd be leery of using a handload for home defense. From all reports, the prosecution can have a field day with that...

From all reports? Please give one example of where this has happened. I often hear this argument and I always ask them to cite one case of it happening. I have yet to hear a report of it. For those who are so concerned a lawyer can twist things do you think they will not be able to twist the fact you bought super specialized tactical ammo designed to maximize the damage to human tissue and so destructive it is banned in war by international treaties. The problem with being afraid of things being twisted is that one can twist anything. I'd worry more about good shoot bad shoot issues than other superfluous concerns such as hand loads.

Dr.Rob
September 7, 2009, 03:24 PM
Ultramax makes a good "cowboy" 44 magnum load (240 gr flat point @ 750fps) in soft lead that will suit your purposes.

Prosser
September 7, 2009, 06:49 PM
I think it was an excellent question. I was looking for something in the 170-210 grain range, at around 1400, or more fps, and, I can't find anything.

I did find this:

http://www.brassfetcher.com/180grHorn44mag.html

Makes me think even 1571 fps is a bit slow...for a light bullet load.

12.6" of penetration isn't much, and, I would suggest this is NOT too much for HD.

Glamdring
September 8, 2009, 02:48 AM
http://le.atk.com/general/speerproducts/handgun/golddotshortbarrel.aspx

The speer 44 Magnum 200 GDHP short barrel same bullet they use for the 44 special load but in magnum case. VEry good choice IMO for SD/HD in the 44.

1075 mv from 4" vented brrl
not sure if this link will work but above one will
http://le.atk.com/ballistics/speer/detail.aspx?loadNo=23971&firearm=2

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