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Dimis
August 29, 2009, 12:26 PM
If you could assemble a group of parts to make your ultimate m4 type rifle what would make the list?

im looking at either buying a complete colt 6920 then adding things that i want (mainly accessories) or putting something together from scratch either way i go im gonna spend a good chunk of money on this one and id like to only do it once

so if you were in my possition what would you do?


oh one last thing if you choose to assemble a gun with parts keep it to only parts of the rifle not all the accessories rails and virt grips are fine but optics lasers lights all that kind of stuff is way down the line for me thanks in advance guys

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lipadj46
August 29, 2009, 12:33 PM
If you want the closest you can get to the real deal definitely start with a Colt. Magpul UBR stocks are cool. Are you going the SBR route?

Dimis
August 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
no for legality ill end up with a 16 inch barrel i cross state lines alot for ranges and that would be a hastle informing the ATF every time i go shoot lol

the one thing that bugs me is i wanted to eventualy supress the rifle but recently found out thats a no no in delaware :-(

PTK
August 29, 2009, 12:40 PM
Honestly, I'd buy a complete LMT AR, if I had the money. Best of the best of the best. :)

waterhouse
August 29, 2009, 12:45 PM
Do you care about things like barrel profile and gas system/hand guard length or do you just want a premium 16" barreled gun with a collapsible stock?

If the former, I'd go with Colt or LMT. If the latter, I'd get (and did get) a Noveske Recce Basic mid-length upper and put it on a lower made with quality parts and a stock of your choice.

mp5a3
August 29, 2009, 12:54 PM
BCM BCM BCM all the way, he makes complete lowers now, and has always made exeptional uppers and bolts.

Dimis
August 29, 2009, 12:59 PM
Well heres what im looking for basicly

High quality lower with all the highest quality parts inside
good trigger possably twostage not too light but deffinatly a good break
high quality gas impingment upper with again best parts i can use A3 style flat top with detachable handle and rear sight
M4 profile 1:7 chrome lined 16 inch barrel
M4 leanth (7 inch i believe correct me if im wrong) quad rail that free floats the barrel
F Marked front sight
A2 flash hider is fine
A2 grip is fine
6 Possition or better buttstock
chambered in 5.56Nato
with the exception of the quad rail i believe the colt has everything im looking for out of the box ill look into LMT and Noveske tho

Texpatriate
August 29, 2009, 02:09 PM
BCM BCM BCM

+1

BCM lower ($350), BCM 16" Carbine upper ($475) (or Mid length, my personal preference), and BCM bolt carrier group ($160) and slap it all together. Or just buy a complete BCM rifle from G&R Tactical.

The BCM M4 Carbine is pretty much an exact copy of the Colt 6920. Same exact mil-spec features for less money. Check the chart: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&single=true&gid=5&output=html. It was just updated last week to add BCM, and it is wedged in between the Colt 6920 and the Noveske N4 Light Carbine. I own 3 BCM uppers and 2 BCM lowers, and I couldn't be more satisfied.

Or you could also go with a Daniel Defense XV. Pretty much the same thing, just not "official" on the chart yet. Other quality options include Noveske (for a whole lot more money), LMT, Charles Daley, and Sabre Defense.

highorder
August 29, 2009, 02:15 PM
I don't like the smallness of the A2 grip. The ERGOgrip or Magpul works for me.

ymmv.

HorseSoldier
August 29, 2009, 02:50 PM
Noveske

cbrgator
August 29, 2009, 02:58 PM
Start with the 6920. It may not outshine every other AR in every other category, but it's certainly the standard against which others are compared. Add a geiselle trigger, a Daniel Defense free float rail, and your stock of choice (tons of options there). Call it a day.

gga357
August 29, 2009, 03:26 PM
POF-415-16-P11SX

http://www.pof-usa.com/p415/p415.htm

OR a good 2nd place:

LWRC M6A4

[url]http://www.lwrci.com/Products/M6A4/tabid/84/Default.aspx[url]

12131
August 29, 2009, 03:27 PM
A complete BCM for $1150. Can't get any better than that.

12131
August 29, 2009, 03:30 PM
The BCM M4 Carbine is pretty much an exact copy of the Colt 6920. Same exact mil-spec features for less money.
Not only that, it doesn't have that BS "LE/Government only" crap on the side.

halfacop
August 29, 2009, 03:31 PM
LMT
Noveske
Magpul
Daniel Defense

Any and all of the above listed would be on my list!

CTW
August 29, 2009, 04:27 PM
LMT,Noveske, the Bravo company stuff is real good.

Texpatriate
August 29, 2009, 05:58 PM
Just to clarify, BCM is Bravo Company, just like LMT is Lewis Machine & Tool, and more cryptically, CMT is Stag.

Eightball
August 29, 2009, 08:46 PM
so if you were in my possition what would you do?See how light of a LaRue Tactical rifle I could obtain.

Blind Bat
August 29, 2009, 09:31 PM
Does Colt still use non-standard sized take down pins and lowers?

Z-Michigan
August 29, 2009, 10:29 PM
Absolutely unlimited budget: Noveske

Large budget but under 2k: BCM with their hammer-forged barrels (fairly new option)
Daniel Defense with the rail system
Colt 6920 or 6940
in that order

Smaller budget: Charles Daly M4LE, probably the most bang for the buck of any AR out there. I've seen them just under $1000 and feature-wise they compare well to nearly anything. It isn't for the time being a prestige/ultra-tacticool brand, but it should be comparable for 99.99% of use, including carbine classes, most LE use, etc.

Colt uses standard pins on the LE carbines, though not on civilian-marketed rifles, I believe.

kwelz
August 29, 2009, 11:01 PM
Colt 6920/6940, Daniel Defense M4 or XV, or a BCM would be my top suggestions. Slightly lower down the list a bit would be LMT and S&W.

vanfunk
August 30, 2009, 05:10 AM
Colt uses standard pins on the LE carbines, though not on civilian-marketed rifles, I believe

Colt has used standard size (.250") takedown pins on all of their rifles and carbines for at least ten years.

I cast my vote for the Colt 6920. It is the "gold standard", but it is made to be used. I'd be too worried about scratching up my boutique rifle (Noveske, POF, etc.) to use it hard. :)

vanfunk

Dimis
August 30, 2009, 11:00 AM
vanfunk i think you nailed it because this rifle will get used heavily

just like every other firearm i own i will put it through its paces and then some i shoot at least twice a week and plan on taking a few courses through a local dealer who can offer alot of training so the rifle will have to be tough and not so expencive im afraid to take it from its case to play out in the dirty world

kwelz
August 30, 2009, 11:42 AM
I agree, If you are to afraid to get a gun scratched up you should not be shooting :)

waterhouse
August 30, 2009, 02:02 PM
Colt has used standard size (.250") takedown pins on all of their rifles and carbines for at least ten years.

I don't believe they were referring to the take down pins, but instead to the fire control group pins (the ones that hold the trigger and hammer in place). At one point Colt used a different size pin, but recently I believe they switched to the standard size pins.

12131
August 30, 2009, 07:04 PM
I don't believe they were referring to the take down pins, but instead to the fire control group pins (the ones that hold the trigger and hammer in place). At one point Colt used a different size pin, but recently I believe they switched to the standard size pins.
What he said.

rundm
August 30, 2009, 09:08 PM
colt 6920 is what I have. thought about the noveske and stuff but the lower is no better than colts. the barrels, with polyganol rifleing and stuff will be a little more accurate for a longer while then the chrome lined barrel, but it will be a battle rifle. Most likely would not be using match ammo so that would negate the need for match grade accuracy. Also, the full noveske rifle is quiet a bit more expensive than the colt 6920 at this time

taliv
August 30, 2009, 09:31 PM
i've yet to see any m4-like offering that matches the specs from KAC's SR15 E3 IWS. beyond the specs, it is light in the hands, and just well-balanced. i can't imagine better w/o going SBR

the only thing it's missing is a light and an optic

gga357
August 30, 2009, 09:34 PM
I can not imagine a black gun that is not a "shooter".

Bones11b
August 30, 2009, 09:39 PM
HorseSoldier

Noveske

Plus one.

vanfunk
August 31, 2009, 05:50 AM
Does Colt still use non-standard sized take down pins and lowers?

I don't believe they were referring to the take down pins, but instead to the fire control group pins (the ones that hold the trigger and hammer in place). At one point Colt used a different size pin, but recently I believe they switched to the standard size pins.

Colt has used standard size (.250") takedown pins on all of their rifles and carbines for at least ten years.


Just answerin' the question;)

vanfunk

kamagong
September 12, 2009, 02:17 AM
Here's my CDLC M4gery. Just a basic set up, but good parts nonetheless.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7052/lmtbcmar.jpg

LMT complete lower
BCM complete 16" carbine upper
BCM BCG
BCM charging handle
BCM handguards
LMT BUIS

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