My First Garand!


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FMJMIKE
August 30, 2009, 12:48 AM
Just bought my first M1 Garand for $600. I got it from a guy at AR-15.com. Its a CMP Springfield Armory M1 Garand and was produced in 1944. I am extremely happy with it.....[:p][:p][:p]
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/mbmphoto/M1Ga.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/mbmphoto/M1Gb.jpg
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Nugilum
August 30, 2009, 12:58 AM
Lookin' good! :D

When will you be able to take it out?

shotgunjoel
August 30, 2009, 01:16 AM
Pretty

Tim the student
August 30, 2009, 01:34 AM
Looks great. How is the bore? It looks like it might be an original stock - is it? How does it shoot - we expect a range report NLT noon, BTW:D

Sunray
August 30, 2009, 01:43 AM
There's something about an M1 Rifle that no other rifle has. I've shot a lot of battle rifles and not one comes close to an M1. I think it's the perfect balance. Not just because J.C. Garand was born in Canada.
The rifle was designed to use .30 M1 ammo with its 174.5 grain bullet. Not .30 M2 ammo's 152 grain bullet. Both Hornady and Federal(American Eagle and Gold Medal brand names) load M1 specific ammo. 150 grain FMJ's and 168 grain match bullets. You'll need clips too. Gunparts has 'em. $1.70 each. They have ammo belts, bayonets, slings(assorted) and most other accessories too.
There are free .pdf manuals available here. Note the need for the provided UN & PW. http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/
When you get that far, IMR4895/H4895, IMR4064 or Varget with 150, 168 or 175(both being match bullet$. 168's out to 600 yards, 175's past there) grain bullets. IMR4064 or Varget are more consistently accurate than IMR4895.
Full length resizing every time is required. You don't need CCI "milspec" primers. They're a marketing gimmick for magnum primers. Regular large rifle primers are just fine.

Boba Fett
August 30, 2009, 01:55 AM
Very nice!

Make sure you give us a range report. http://www.abfnet.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup2.gif

Eightball
August 30, 2009, 01:58 AM
Nicely done, good sir!

Tim the student
August 30, 2009, 02:09 AM
Dude, if you need some clips, let me know. I'll mail you some.

I don't know how familiar you are with Garands, but:

Please don't shoot commercial ammo that is not designed for the Garand. It will make us cry if you do.

Also, check out the CMP forums, there is a wealth of knowledge on there. http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=33

And here is their tech info: http://www.civilianmarksmanship.com/

There are also a lot of other sites and books that have tons of info. This guy is really well respected in the M1 community, has some good info on his site, and has written a lot of books on Garands: http://www.scott-duff.com/

Lastly, prepare yourself. I bought one not long ago, thinking I only needed one. Happily, I was very mistaken in thinking that. I hope to go to the North Store and get a Service Special if they have any left. No other rifle, shotgun, or handgun has sucked me in like Garands have. I imagine I will be buying them until I am too feeble to shoot them (and I'm 31!), and probably even after I am too feeble to shoot them.

PS - range report ASAP. mkay?

1KPerDay
August 30, 2009, 02:12 AM
NICE! Congrats! Nothing like your first (and I stress the word "first") Garand. :cool:

Arkel23
August 30, 2009, 02:16 AM
Nice, have fun with it.

Sunray
August 30, 2009, 03:36 AM
"...let me know. I'll mail you some..." Nice one Tim. Exceptionally decent of you. Well done.

Oro
August 30, 2009, 04:06 AM
Looks great. Congrats. I contemplated buying my first one this summer, but I'm putting it off until next year (there are other, older goodies coming instead). I shot a family members several years ago and didn't love it, but now after dealing with more rifles, I see the allure and virtues.

I am not an expert on Garands, but I've been researching them and pricing them on and off the last six months. The wood looks good on that one - all the same vintage, the Parkerizing looks good; if the mechanicals are solid then that's a great buy in my book and wish I'd found that deal. Might have dumped a revolver and bought that myself - it looks good!

skidooman603
August 30, 2009, 06:02 AM
This day in age, a Garand for $600 is a bargain, providing it shoots well and is mechanically sound. Enjoy and take care to shoot proper ammo.

61chalk
August 30, 2009, 06:55 AM
Welcome to the Garand club! Got my first one last April, a SA...what a great rifle. Like Tim the Student said, I want to go back to CMP North store an buy more!

ambidextrous1
August 30, 2009, 08:28 AM
It looks great, Mike! How about dressing it up with a leather sling? Replicas of the old GI sling are available from the "usual places"; I prefer the slings with brass hardware.

Orlando
August 30, 2009, 09:24 AM
As said Federal and Hornady both make a Garand specific load but very pricey
http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/federal-introduces-affordable-m1-garand-ammo/
http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=775
Your best option is good quality surplus (personally I would stay away from any Korean surplus) or handload
You can use commercial ammo other than the two loads listed above if you use a adjustable gas screw, available at MidwayUSA or Brownells, etc
Congrats on the Garand, she might be your first but they do multiply!
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/misc/MVC-008S-1-1.jpg

Bentonville
August 30, 2009, 09:38 AM
Tim the Student (and many other posters as well) folks like you with generosity and good info. make THR the high road. Thanks.

Orlando
August 30, 2009, 09:47 AM
First thing I would do is a complete tear down clean and lube. The garand must have grease on moving parts, not oil.
You do not need to use any so called high tech gun grease. Any high quality wheel bearing grease will work fine and is much cheaper.
http://www.nicolausassociates.com/PDF/M1GarandRifleGreasePoints.pdf

You should also replace the Op Rod spring as it could possibly be 50 years old and weak. The Op Rod spring is what cushions the bolt from slamming into the reciver when firing. A weak spring is very hard on the reciver and can cause function problems.
Get one from Orion 7
http://www.m1garandrifle.com/Garandparts.htm
Stay away from Wolf Op Rod springs as they can cause more problems .
If you have any questions or problems just ask

Tim the student
August 30, 2009, 11:15 AM
Nice one Tim.

Just being a nice guy. Besides, can you imagine getting your first Garand and not having any clips for it? We don't even do things like that at Gitmo.

Storm
August 30, 2009, 11:51 AM
Heck, even a CMP Garand comes with a clip! You've gotta at least ear the ping right off the bat. Congrats on a fine looking rifle. I also have a 1944 Springfield. It looks like I can just make out a cartouche (stamping) on the right side of your stock above the rear of the trigger guard, or am I imagining that?

One caution beyond shooting proper ammo....Garands are addicting. Right now I have two and will soon have three, and possibly a fourth. I live too darn close to the CMP Store :)

Tim the student
August 30, 2009, 11:59 AM
Yeah, it looks to me like there is a cartouche there. I think it might be the eagle, and not crossed cannons with initials. Hard to say though.

Here is what I think it is:

http://www.trfindley.com/flmystmps/sadasf.jpg

FLNT4EVR
August 30, 2009, 12:04 PM
Thats a nice looking Garand.When you buy clips ,get USgov issue.The new ones sold buy SG and Cheaper than dirt are pos.After you catch the Garand bug you will read and learn all you can about them. Ther are even web pages just about the clips.I have been lucky enough to find 9 that were manufactured during WWII and 1 that is of pre war manufacture.If I was a dedicated re-enactor,they are what would be in my ammo belt.I keep them seperate from my others because they go perfectly with my 1942 Springfield Garand.

RockyMtnTactical
August 30, 2009, 02:33 PM
Not bad!

FMJMIKE
August 30, 2009, 05:15 PM
The cartouche is an Eagle with three stars and arrows. There is also a circled P on the pistol grip. Sorry no range report because I do not have any ammo. It was an impulse purchase. I plan on ordering ammo from the CMP. It comes with en bloc clips. I was told this was a Greek return Garand. I have the CMP paperwork and shipping box. Thanks for the compliments.
;)

Tim the student
August 31, 2009, 01:39 AM
Man, too bad you don't have any ammo. Know anyone that would let you reload some? If you don't want to wait, I know there are some commercial places that sell surplus Garand safe ammo. I don't know them, but I read about them in a thread here.

It really is a nice rifle, btw. I think it's money well spent. Have fun with it!

skidooman603
August 31, 2009, 05:48 AM
Where the hell are ya? Somebody give this guy and enbloc full! How can you own a Garand and not have experienced the PING?!

skidooman603
August 31, 2009, 05:50 AM
Oh Virginia....Gotta be some Garand shooters around ya to hook ya up. If ya wait for the CMP you'll be old and grey.

FMJMIKE
August 31, 2009, 10:57 PM
My father was a WW II veteran so this Garand means a lot to me. Thanks Guys...............

goofy grape
September 1, 2009, 01:53 AM
Nice rifle and welcome to the club. I've had mine about a year now and love it. It's so nice to be at the range and see someone shooting an AR-15, going "pop, pop", and mine goes off with a "BOOM" and they jump and mouth "holy sh*#". Definitely stay away from any Korean surplus ammo. I went through a lot of the Greek surplus and it was ok, but I prefer American made.

I want to make my barrel free floating. Has anyone here done any smithing on the forward grip and could offer advice? How much should of the interior should I whittle away?

1KPerDay
September 1, 2009, 01:14 PM
Free floating a garand? Hmmmm....

Orlando
September 1, 2009, 04:43 PM
Barrel should not be contacting the stock anyway. Rear handguard can be rasped, sanded so that you can slide a piece of paper of paper under it .
Front handguard can be screwd and glued the the band so it has no movement
http://www.snipercountry.com/articles/AccurizingM1Garand_I.asp

MythBuster
September 1, 2009, 07:35 PM
Garands and M-14 type rifles are not floated for accuracy. They are bedded with downward pull on the barrel.

krs
September 1, 2009, 08:37 PM
If you think that you might like to use the rifle in any of the John Garand series of matches you don't want to accurize or modify it without knowing what's allowed and what's not.

D94R
September 1, 2009, 11:52 PM
I plan on ordering ammo from the CMP. It comes with en bloc clips.

Since when? None of my Greek ammo that I had delivered about 2 months ago came with any.

Tim the student
September 1, 2009, 11:59 PM
Since when? None of my Greek ammo that I had delivered about 2 months ago came with any.

All the ammo I got from the North Store did, and according to the CMP, item 407-CAN (HXP in 192 round cans) does. Sounds like you got screwed, if that is the item you ordered. I think it has been that way for some time, other than the $65 rusty cans available at the stores, and the 240 round cans but I might be mistaken. I thought it was clear that the 240 round cans didn't come with clips, but again, I may be mistaken. I do know it is the only ammo (.30-06) on their site now.

Here is the link, look for yourself. http://www.thecmp.org/ammosales.htm

elktrout
September 2, 2009, 12:42 AM
I have always enjoyed shooting, whether it was shotgun, rifle, or handgun. Then I bought a Garand. Now, when I think of shooting, it comes to mind first. The other guys are right. It is addictive. Enjoy it. Nice looking gun.

Orlando
September 2, 2009, 07:37 AM
It comes both ways, In cans in boxes or in cans on enblocs and bandoleers. All depends what you order

D94R
September 4, 2009, 02:08 PM
Ah ha, yah I ordered the 240rd cans. No biggy. Enblocs are relatively cheap to come by.

NC-Mike
September 4, 2009, 06:35 PM
This day in age, a Garand for $600 is a bargain, providing it shoots well and is mechanically sound. Enjoy and take care to shoot proper ammo.

You can buy a service grade M1 from the CMP for 595.00 all day long. :)

And that same rifle would probably have a 1,200 price tag on it in a gun store. :eek:


The ONLY ammo CMP is selling right now is 192 round spam cans with the rounds on enbloc clips. They used to be 45 a can two years and now they are 75 a can. I have 4 cans sitting behind me. They came in 2 weeks ago and I ordered them in April so be prepared to wait.

Paul82
September 4, 2009, 07:09 PM
what type of ammo can this shoot(safe)? what wrong with new ammo made today what is this (safe) ammo you speak of:confused::confused:

Orlando
September 4, 2009, 10:37 PM
No commercial ammo unless you use a adjustable gas screw. Exceptions are Hornady and Federal make a Grand safe load but are very pricey.
Good quality M2BAll surplus is best route and cheapest, next is to handload
Do a search it has been discussed many many times before

skidooman603
September 5, 2009, 05:42 AM
Hence the fact that $600 is a BARGAIN! Thanks CMP :)

D94R
September 5, 2009, 02:55 PM
You can buy a service grade M1 from the CMP for 595.00 all day long. Aye, yes, but add in the cost of the requirements to qualify for that $595.00 Garand and it's no longer that "cheap". (but still a hell of a deal when compared to dealer pricing)

C&R license: $30
Carry Conceal License: $100-???
Rifle/Pistol association: $30
Range proficiency: $100-200 (counting ammo, targets, paying someone to watch/sign off, paying for range time)


Now of course, some people (like me), already had those qualifications paid for as a part of their hobbies that they enjoy anyhow. But, if someone is paying for those so they have the "paper work" to qualify, it's still a bit expensive.

Orlando
September 5, 2009, 04:30 PM
Firearms portion of CMP requirements:
Live fire hunters course =$0
Having rangemaster sign of on form supplied by CMP that you can safetly handle fireams=$0
military service=$0

Club memebership
Garand Collecotors Assocition =$25.00
There are other clubs that are $15.00 dues

So as you can see it can be done very, very cheaply

BADSBSNF81
September 6, 2009, 12:44 AM
Welcome to the M1 fold. I've had one since the mid-80's. Back then you could only get one in your lifetime from DCM (forerunner to CMP). Pirce was @ 185 USD and most of that was for processing. Won't forget the day I went to the USPS to pick it up. Mine was a post war H&R that'd been arsenal rebuilt in 68. Be careful if you reload. Slamfires can occur.

CZguy
September 6, 2009, 01:21 AM
Mine was a post war H&R that'd been arsenal rebuilt in 68.

How can you tell the year it went through a rebuild? I have so much to learn about M1s.

BADSBSNF81
September 6, 2009, 02:22 AM
Mine was marked on one of the receiver legs by electric pencil. Scott Duff has written some very good books on the M1 that can increase your knowledge. Back when I was young and bought my first gun, I got some good advice that has served me well the past 3 or so decades. "Buy a gun, buy a book"

CZguy
September 7, 2009, 10:32 PM
Good advice BADSBSNF81,

I've been reading one of Scott Duff's books on M1s (post war) but hadn't run across any info on arsenal overhaul markings yet.

BADSBSNF81
September 8, 2009, 07:29 PM
Might have been in one of Bruce Canfield's books. Someone over at jouster.com might also chime in.

lionking
September 8, 2009, 08:46 PM
congrats on your new Grrrrand.:D

This is my Blue Sky import 1942 serial numbered receiver M1 I bought back in around 1987.It was my first rifle I bought when I turned old enough to buy one.Didn't know about Garands as far as differences of makers,fit,wear or collectability all I knew was I wanted one.

Never bothered to refinish it or anything,just kept it as is so far.I took it out a couple weeks ago to finally see what kind of groups I would get using HXP ammo.Before I had always used commercial ammo in it,but I only shot it once in a while anyway.It tends to group better with 165gr commercial ammo (I don't reload) but have decided to use HXP in it from now on.It was shooting low so every 8 shots I adjusted the sights to get it shooting in the black with a 6 O'clock hold as much as possible.

So results are that it is not my most accurate Garand.Muzzle wear is below 1,which the barrel is like new but has some frost in it because back in the day I didn't know what corrosive ammo was and I didn't clean it right away.Seems I average around 5 inch groups with it when shooting a clip of HXP throught it.

Suppose there are things I could do to make it more accurate but so far I just shoot it as is.For anybody interested in trying to make yours more accurate here is a good thread on doing so so it seems.

http://www.eotacforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=26735


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customizedcreationz
September 9, 2009, 08:04 AM
Very nice !

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