Personal preferences in CCW features/actions/safties


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B yond
August 30, 2009, 07:14 PM
As CCW becomes more and more common there have been more and more handgun models marketed as CCW weapons. Unfortunately for me, my personal list of features I require of a CCW rules many of the more popular ones out. Thinking about this got me curious about the rest of you and whether or not you have a list of features your CCW weapons must have.

Here's my list:

Semi-auto pistols:
-Must be DA for at least the first shot.
-Must have a manual safety,
-Must have an external hammer that is down when the pistol is at rest.
-Must not have a grip safety.

Now, I have reasons to justify all these requirements to myself, but it all really comes down to what I'm comfortable with carrying.

I have other guns that don't meet these requirements, and I think they're all great, I just won't carry them.

So, do you have a list of requirements too?

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metallic
August 30, 2009, 09:46 PM
Sounds like a Bersa Thunder would fit all your criteria. Picking mine up Monday after getting the address on my driver's license updated... apparently I'm not exempt from NICS with a weapon permit.

As for list of requirements, mine are that it's reliable and easily concealable. I prefer single action handguns with a manual safety, but I've owned and carried other types of handguns as well.

Quiet
August 30, 2009, 10:02 PM
So, do you have a list of requirements too?

I'm simple.

1. Shoots when you pull the trigger (reliable)
2. Bullet goes where you aim the gun (accurate)
3. Must be lightweight and compact enough to conceal without too much effort (portable)

david_the_greek
August 30, 2009, 11:43 PM
I generally trust the safety mechanisms on all my guns (since i really don't buy off-brand "junk" guns), though obviously I shoot anything a lot that I plan to carry to protect myself with. I've carried my CZ PCR which is a DA/SA with a decocker, I've carried my kimber 1911 which is... a 1911 and self explanatory, and most commonly I carry my S&W 442 (do to size). As long as I have no malfunctions I generally trust any configuration. If I ever manage to save enough money I'll pick up a nice compact 1911.

AKElroy
August 30, 2009, 11:46 PM
Berreta, CZ, Taurus 99

bigfatdave
August 30, 2009, 11:53 PM
So, do you have a list of requirements too? I do, and amusingly, they almost make the opposite of yours. Luckily there are too many variations of the available features to count on the market, although I wish more were out there with grip safeties.

-passive safeties only
-low snagging profile
-no magazine interlock

The only manual safety I need is a quality holster, and a hammer is fine, so long as it is shrouded or otherwise low-profile

Frank Ettin
August 31, 2009, 02:15 AM
At present my requirements are that it must be a 1911 (preferably Commander or CCO size) or an H&K P7M8. Oh, and of course it must be reliable and accurate.

usp9
August 31, 2009, 07:38 AM
Personal preferences in CCW features/actions/safties

I want a;

Kahr sized, slim, light, clean, snagfree,
Restrike capability and a decocker,
HK reliability,
Seecamp quality mags,
Night sights,
Smooth, safe trigger,
Adjustable grip would be nice.
Walther/HK mag drop,
I can do without a external safety.


I want a skinny HK P2000sk with a Kahr trigger and Seecamp mags;)

B yond
August 31, 2009, 02:10 PM
Sounds like a Bersa Thunder would fit all your criteria.

That's my mid-weight CCW. Great gun. My only complaint is the sharp edges. I plan to smooth them out and re-finish the gun some day.

Lonestar49
August 31, 2009, 03:15 PM
...

I can appreciate having a quick, easy, breakdown, application with any gun.

As far as ccw, stepping up from a 380acp to 9mm, 40, or even 45, there are great guns out there, with a Safety-DA/SA format. The only question is, what feels good, or right, in your hands, to start..?

I can speak for some, DA/SA with a safety, along with, one of, if not, the eaisest, quickest, breakdowns, bar-none, out there..

A Beretta Px4 9mm , 40cal or 45cal in F model

All offer soft recoil, (because of balanced rotating barrels) speaking from owning a 40cal for over 2yrs, with some 9000 flawless rounds, very accurate, down range..

They are of lighter weight, having a polymer frame, and they are very forgiving of any weak, one handed shots, let alone, eat "most" any new factory ammo of most makes, without fail, has been my ongoing experience.

Mid price range for NIB around 600.oo and some come with real night sights installed. I would advise anyone to go that route, if you find one with them already on.

Luck,


Ls

NoleMan
August 31, 2009, 04:19 PM
Semi-auto pistols:
-Must be DA for at least the first shot. (agreed, but I may make an exception for the Sig P238...in that class of gun, I think it's something special)
-Must have NO manual safety
-I don't really have a hammer preferece. My biggest concern is the hammer must not snag
-Must have good holster options
-Must be pretty thing
-Must not kick like a mule
-Must be between 15-26 ounces (may make a small exception for a P238)
-Must not shoot a cartridge less than 380 ACP
-I'm sure I'm forgetting some preferences

Preferences are highly variable, and change a lot. Normally it just takes a quality firearm, that's concealable, and reliable and I'm happy.

Autolycus
August 31, 2009, 04:44 PM
HK USPc is a good choice.

Or a Beretta is another. A GLock with a safety installed might work.

WNC Seabee
August 31, 2009, 05:00 PM
Sounds like the OP described the 3rd Gen S&W Autos. I think those are great choices for carry.

I started out thinking I needed DA 1st shot with a manual safety. But, as I trained and shot a lot more, I came to really despise DA/SA. The inconsistency really threw me off.

I went with a DA Only Kahr .45 for a while. It carried really well and was amazingly accurate for such a small thing, but the trigger pull was about 6 miles long.

So, I've turned 180* and carry a 1911, single action of course.

Cosmoline
August 31, 2009, 05:15 PM
--No external safeties
--Weight under 30 oz, under 20 for pocket
--Chambering at least = to .38 Special

middy
August 31, 2009, 06:07 PM
Autos and DA revolvers:

No external safeties

Same trigger pull each time

Easy to maintain

Corrosion resistant

Very durable, able to shoot 10s of 1000s of rounds without tune ups

Reliable

Accurate

Lots of aftermarket support

So basically, I like Glocks and stainless Ruger revolvers.

LancerMW
August 31, 2009, 09:44 PM
those subcompact CZ's may be what ur lookin for

oneounceload
August 31, 2009, 11:07 PM
+1 middy - in the same boat with you.....I'd also add the HK P7 and S&W revolvers

I have NO use for any manual safeties on any of my guns, long or short - the only safety needed is the one between your ears

gbran
August 31, 2009, 11:14 PM
I carry Glocks. Simple, no decocker, no external safety, no extra crap. It's the colsest thing to a revolver I could find that I trust.

Just point and click, nuthin else to remember except for chambering a round. If this scares you, use a good holster and keep your finger off the trigger unless you're ready to fire.

possum
August 31, 2009, 11:32 PM
i personally prefer....
1)striker fired
2) no manual safety
3) reliable
4) accurate
5) high capacity
6) trigger pull the same each and ever time.

Autolycus
September 1, 2009, 01:03 AM
For me the requirement is no safeties that require a manual action. Glocks, Sigs, and some HK variants meet this requirement. I personally prefer Sigs but my Glock is growing on me very much.

I like high capacity guns with a minimum capacity of 10 and in a caliber no smaller than 9mm. So Glock is my choice.

Fred40
September 1, 2009, 11:00 PM
Here's my list:

Semi-auto pistols:
-Must be DA for at least the first shot.
-Must have a manual safety,
-Must have an external hammer that is down when the pistol is at rest.
-Must not have a grip safety.


For me it's a 1911 so:

-SA first shot
-manual safety
-external hammer that is cocked
-grip safety

CombatArmsUSAF
September 1, 2009, 11:05 PM
-NO manual safeties that aren't passive

-Must have low light capability (Night sights or laser)

-Absolutely no magazine disconnects or Internal Locks

-Absolutely must be at least .380

-Reliable under pretty much any circumstances

-Reasonably light

-Low profile / Not snag prone

I currently carry an S&W 642 w/CT grips or my Glock 19 with night sights.

freakshow10mm
September 1, 2009, 11:07 PM
I need a DAO or a SAO trigger group. Consistent trigger pull for each and every shot.

Thumb safety the only preference is that it operates like a 1911: UP=safe, DOWN=fire. Whether it has a thumb safety or not, I don't care.

Cartridges are 9mm, 10mm, or 45 ACP.

I don't like revolvers but I'll take one if that's what's available. 38/357 in that case.

Jed Carter
September 2, 2009, 06:05 AM
CZ 75C, all you need to know, CZ PCR and P01 both are decockers, CZ 75C has safety and is DA/SA, external hammer, no grip safety, accurate, reliable ( I own a CZ PCR ) and a really good looking pistol.

deadhawg
September 2, 2009, 09:25 AM
My list is quite different from yours.

No external safeties
Same trigger pull every time
Reasonable compromise between caliber, capacity and size for concealed carry
Something that fits my hand and that I can shoot accurately, including follow up shots
And most important: Goes bang every time.

Glock G30.

Norinco982lover
September 2, 2009, 10:33 AM
--Must not have a manual safety
--Must have the same trigger pull everytime
--Must be the largest caliber I can conceal
--Must hold 10+ rounds
--Must be reliable
--Must be accurate
--Must not have a magazine disconnect

Every day carry: XD45 compact 4" in a Crossbreed Supertuck. Previous to this I owned a CZ 75b which was a great pistol but did not fit my criteria...so I traded it.

~Norinco

obiwan1
September 2, 2009, 02:39 PM
I like a DAO auto. No safety to remember (or forget). No decocker to remember after shooting and before holstering. Just grab it and shoot it. Finger out of the trigger guard for safety. The Smiths have an excellent trigger pull. Same with H&K LEM once you get used to it. I also like the Glock, Kahr, and, to a lesser extent, the KelTec (post fluff & buff). You have your choice of .380 through .45.
My daily carry gun is a H&K P2000 in .40. The only trouble is inconsistant QC on the magazines. Find three that work and guard them with your life!. :D

farscott
September 2, 2009, 02:51 PM
My requirements are based on the carry method:

Pocket carry
-- Must have enclosed hammer or spurless hammer.
-- Must be capable of throwing a bullet of 125-grains or more with a diameter of .355" or larger at 750 fps.
-- Must be dehorned.
-- Must be made of steel. No Al or Ti alloys.
-- Must be capable of firing 500 rounds in one day with no failures
-- Must have a Kramer pocket holster model for it.

Use S&W Centennials and, sometimes, Ruger SP-101s in .38 Special and .357 Magnum.

IWB carry
-- Must be capable of throwing a 230-grain .451" slug at 750 fps.
-- Must be capable of disappearing below a polo.
-- Must have a frame-mounted safety that sweeps down to remove safety.
-- Must be made of steel. No Al or Ti alloys.
-- Must have a trigger that can be tuned to break at 4#.
-- Must have a consistent trigger feel for all shots.
-- Must be capable of firing 750 rounds in one day with no failures.
-- Must be dehorned.
-- Must have a Sparks VM-2 holster for it.

Use 1911 variants and S&W 945s

Shoulder carry
-- Must be capable of throwing a 230-grain .451" slug at 750 fps.
-- Must be concealable under linen jacket.
-- Must have a frame-mounted safety that sweeps down to remove safety.
-- Must be made of steel. No Al or Ti alloys.
-- Must have a trigger that can be tuned to break at 4#.
-- Must have a consistent trigger feel for all shots.
-- Must be capable of firing 750 rounds in one day with no failures.
-- Must be dehorned.
-- Must have a Null holster for it.

Use a Baer Stinger.

B yond
September 4, 2009, 03:19 AM
A lot of people seem to dislike manual safties. Now I'm curious about the popularity of safties vs. no safties.

Personally, I prefer to hava a manual safty and insist that they work the same way on all my carry pistols.

I think of it as one more thing that can prevent a ND/AD and one or two more
seconds that someone else would need to figure out how to make it go bang should it ever fall into the wrong hands.

Don't even get me started on grip safties...

bigfatdave
September 4, 2009, 05:19 AM
Don't even get me started on grip safties... What do you have against grip safeties?

Crow1108
September 4, 2009, 07:16 AM
Here's mine

--Minimum of 9mm Parabellum
--Hold a minimum of 8 rounds
--Reasonably accurate (IE: I don't have to struggle to hit center of mass at a distance of 25')
--Some degree of corrosion resistance (I take care of my guns, but there's times where I will be wearing one of them for 7-8 hours at a time, IWB).
--Reliable
--Made by a widely known manufacturer with a proven design (makes parts obtainable).
--No magazine safety (stupid design in my opinion. I understand the concept, but the liabilities outweigh the benefits. I'd like to retain at least the ability to fire single rounds if all my magazines go kaput at the same time.)


Both my Glock 19 and Kimber fit these pretty well.

TexasBill
September 4, 2009, 08:13 AM
I have a simple list: Large enough caliber to do the job; external hammer; easily carried while wearing Texas summer clothing. No manual safeties, either, I'm just an old-fashioned "pull, point and POW!" kind of guy.

These days, my typical carry "rig" is a S&W Model 637 Airweight and an HKS speed loader with five extra rounds. When cooler weather comes, I'll probably go back to my FNP-9 9mm.

scotthsi
September 4, 2009, 10:11 AM
I like my carry guns to have the same trigger pull every time. First shot and beyond. No DA/SA for me. I love my Walther PPK/s, but I never carry it anymore. Range only.

So, my two most carry gun types are Glock and Kahr. Even a Kel-Tec P3AT, but not so much anymore since getting the PM9. But, they all operate the same. Just pull the trigger and it fires...same feel every time.

Reliability? Of course. I will NOT carry a gun with ANY suspected reliability issued.

The only type of gun I will carry with an external manual safety is a 1911. The grip safety doesn't bother me as it naturally is disengaged when gripping the pistol. Never had a problem with disengaging the grip safety and the 1911 still has the same trigger pull every time. My favorite is my 13+1 capacity Kimber.

SSN Vet
September 4, 2009, 10:55 AM
Personal preferences in CCW features/actions/safties

first off... I don't think there's a right or wrong list.... but here's my personal preference...

manual safety................................must have
smooth trigger pull (~4-5 lbs).........must have
same trigger pull for every shot.......must have
9mm luger or 38 sp. ......................minimum caliber
reliably feed hollow points................must
combat sights (i.e. 3 Dot or Heinie)..must have
easy to conceal in leather holster......must
fits my hand well.............................must
points well......................................must
I can shoot it accurately...................MUST!!!
second strike capability....................very desireable, but not req'd
prove to be reliable..........................MUST!!!!
smooth profile that doesn't snag.......very desireable
light enough to be comfy on belt.......must

so what am I carrying that fits the bill....

Pt-111 (gen 3)

Reliablilty = what I experience, not what I read on the internet
Accuracy = " " " " " " " " "

Vern Humphrey
September 4, 2009, 11:44 AM
My list:

1. Must be reliable. If it doesn't go bang every time you pull the trigger, it's just a funny shaped club.

2. Must be shootable -- that is, performance in my hands. Or, "Given that it went bang, did it hit the target?"

3. Must be adequately powerful. Or, "Given that it went bang and hit the target, did it produce the desired effect?"

4. Must be concealable -- even very large autopistols are usually flat and concealable.

And the winner is -- the M1911.

practicaltactical
September 4, 2009, 12:25 PM
I carry with and without safeties and train with both. However, I prefer a dao or striker fired gun without safeties. Reliability is most important factor to me but accuracy (my ability to be accurate with the gun as opposed to the gun's accuracy potential) is a close second.

GRIZ22
September 4, 2009, 12:43 PM
I've carried DA revolvers, DA autos, SA autos over the years, Some out of choice and some what the agency I worked for required. I've adapted to all of them but usually find myself carrying a DA revolver.

B yond
September 4, 2009, 01:04 PM
What do you have against grip safeties?

I understand the reasoning for them, and I have nothing against them for a range/competition/sport gun. But...

There was a officer-involved shooting in a Wal-Mart parking lot in Ukiah California a number of years ago (http://www.theiacp.org/About/Awards/PoliceOfficeroftheYear/2004PoliceOfficeroftheYear/tabid/287/Default.aspx)that some of the readers here may be familiar with. The officer was hurt pretty badly, including his hands. A cadet had to help him hold his pistol to fire the shot that ended the confrontation before it got a LOT worse (bad guy was in the process of removing the officer's carbine from his cruiser).

That got me thinking about grip safties and I decided I would never buy a carry gun that had one, because I want my gun to still work for me if my hand is injured or I need to fire it from an unconventional grip that doesn't disengage the grip safety.

scurtis_34471
September 4, 2009, 01:29 PM
My ideal carry gun has

No external safety (although grip safeties don't bother me)
Same trigger pull every time with a pull weight between 5 and 8 pounds
A capacity of at least six rounds
Managable recoil (if it is physically painful to shoot, I don't want it)
Rock-solid Reliability
Night sights
Light enough and thin enough for comfortable carry

scotthsi
September 4, 2009, 01:33 PM
Scurtis, sounds like your ideal carry gun is one of the Kahrs, especially the lighter polymer ones. I have a PM9 and LOVE it. It's been very reliable, accurate, etc. Has real dovetails in the slide for aftermarket night sights or you can get one with them already installed. Very light and thin. Rated to +p in 9mm and has a capacity of 6+1 with the flush base magazine. It also comes with an extended magazine, which holds 7 rounds and gives your pinky something to grab. I carry it as a spare with the flush magazine in the pistol. No external safety, same trigger pull every time and (for me) the recoil is very manageable. I front pocket carry mine every day. ;)

TimM
September 4, 2009, 01:52 PM
My list:

1) Reliability
2) Reliability
3) Reliability
4) Fits my hand
5) It is accurate
6) I shoot it well ( a lot of guns I do not)
7) Concealability ( if that is a word)
8) Comfortable to carry
9) Reliability
10) Reliability

scurtis_34471
September 4, 2009, 04:07 PM
Scurtis, sounds like your ideal carry gun is one of the Kahrs, especially the lighter polymer ones. I have a PM9 and LOVE it. It's been very reliable, accurate, etc. Has real dovetails in the slide for aftermarket night sights or you can get one with them already installed. Very light and thin. Rated to +p in 9mm and has a capacity of 6+1 with the flush base magazine. It also comes with an extended magazine, which holds 7 rounds and gives your pinky something to grab. I carry it as a spare with the flush magazine in the pistol. No external safety, same trigger pull every time and (for me) the recoil is very manageable. I front pocket carry mine every day.

My primary carry gun is a Kahr P9 Covert (P9 slide/barrel, PM9 grip).

scotthsi
September 4, 2009, 04:10 PM
Well, there ya go! :cool:

scurtis_34471
September 4, 2009, 04:54 PM
Well, there ya go!

I use an XD-40 for IDPA, pin shooting and home defense. I just ordered an XDm 9 for IDPA and general use. I also have a CZ PO-1 that I'm rather fond of and my wife has a S&W M&P 9mm Compact. The only gun I have with a thumb safety is a Browning Buckmark.

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