Magazine-fed, pump-action .45 ACP carbine?


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Owlnmole
August 31, 2009, 01:43 PM
Random thought...


.45 ACP (including hot +P loads)
Standard GI-type pistol magazine (7+1) ahead of trigger guard
Simple, pump-action mechanism
Medium LOP, fixed stock
16.5" barrel
Protected, combat-style peep sights


Sound like something folks would like to own for plinking and home defense, maybe even short-range deer or hog hunting?

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camoman33935
August 31, 2009, 01:53 PM
sounds like a good idea but I bet it'd cost a good bit...I would prefer a carbine like you describe but in 9mm and have it take Glock mags

now that I think of it, it sounds like a Remington 7615 but in a pisol caliber...

PTK
August 31, 2009, 01:55 PM
I doubt people would buy it. Most of the .45acp carbines are sort of a niche market, and a small one at that.

Shear_stress
August 31, 2009, 03:29 PM
I think this is a really good idea. A pump-action pistol caliber carbine would be a great field or home defense gun, especially if it accepted common pistol magazines (Glock, Beretta, 1911, S&W, etc.) The design could be made to feed a wide variety of bullet weights, powder charges and case OALs. With no shell lifters or tube mags to worry about, the design would be fairly modular--think quick-changing barrel, mag well and bolt head. Plus, it would be 50-state legal. Best of all, the rifle would could be made relatively cheaply. Would be a dream to suppress as well.

What I would like to see is a .38 Special/.357 magnum version that took Desert Eagle mags. You could run everything from flush-seated .38 Special wad cutters or shot shells to 180 grain .357 Buffalo Bores.

dom1104
August 31, 2009, 03:30 PM
hmm, its the pump action part that kills it for me.

if I am going to get a pistol cal carbine, it WILL be semi auto.

otherwise, slow and not so powerfull, no thanks.

camoman33935
August 31, 2009, 03:38 PM
if your slow with it, then you havent practiced enough :D

seriously though, practice and you can become very handy with it. especially considering many, many people have experience using shotguns. this would also be a good idea for a smaller person who is recoil sensitive or not experienced with semi autos, but know the manual of arms for a shotgun.

shibby
August 31, 2009, 03:40 PM
agreed, if its going to be pump action with me its got to be along the lines of 12g

ArmedBear
August 31, 2009, 05:07 PM
The only .45 ACP carbines with any sort of commercial viability have been Thompsons, and they're bought for historical interest, at prices that reflect "toy" instead of "tool."


Sound like something folks would like to own for plinking and home defense, maybe even short-range deer or hog hunting?

No chance, at least for me.

Ammo is too expensive for plinking. Gun has neither the fun factor of a semiauto, nor the nostalgic appeal of extant lever guns.

A pump carbine has no appeal at all, except perhaps for CAS competition, where this one couldn't be used, or maybe a 7600 in a real caliber (e.g. .308 and up) for hunting.

For HD I have a .45 pistol that has similar ballistics in a much smaller package, and twice the ammo capacity in each mag.

Deer and hogs? There are many better guns already around, including proven revolver-cartridge lever guns that blow a .45ACP carbine out of the water, and will shoot the lightest and the heaviest loads around (.45ACP+P is a great little pistol round, but it's weak compared to pistol-caliber lever-action hunting rounds).

.45 doesn't gain enough from a longer barrel. I can hit anything I need to, in my house or yard, with my pistol, for defense, so without better ballistics, why bother with a carbine of any kind?

The .45ACP+P drops about a foot at 100 yards when sighted in at 25/50. It's just not a long gun round.

Don't mean to sound negative, but note that the .45 ACP carbine has been a market failure in the US. The pump rifle has also never taken hold, except in tiny niches; Browning quit making theirs, and only Remington remains, with the exception of old-West replicas for CAS.

I wouldn't want to see you bet the farm on this product!:)

Maybe you could sell a few pump .45s in England, where few other guns are legal, but that's a tiny market.

OTOH if as many guns and types of guns are banned in the US, as in England and Brazil combined, this could be viable. Americans will always want guns, and if they can't get anything better, they'll buy a .45 pump carbine.

THE DARK KNIGHT
August 31, 2009, 05:27 PM
Doesn't Remington make a series of pump-action pistol caliber carbines aimed at the LE market?

DMK
August 31, 2009, 05:35 PM
# Standard GI-type pistol magazine (7+1) ahead of trigger guardI'd prefer Thompson mags. 7 rounds is kinda low cap for a carbine.

ArmedBear
August 31, 2009, 05:39 PM
Remington makes pump carbines for LE, but they're variants of the 7600, and come only in rifle calibers (.223 and .308 for LE, a few more for hunting).

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/rifles.htm

Snowdog
August 31, 2009, 05:42 PM
Ideas like these are fun. I once toyed around with the thought of a slightly beefed up Marlin M60 chambered for the .380 acp. It would have the same tube mag capacity but more fun to plink with. However, it would have been far more expensive to plink and seriously, what else would such a thing be good for? Fun idea though.

I don't think there would be much of a market for what you're describing. If I wanted something similar to the package you've described, I'd either go with a Taurus Colt Lightning knockoff, a Rossi pump in .454 Casull or a lever action in either .45 Colt or .44 magnum.

Now, if you recreate the Calico with it's helical feed magazine in .45acp, I'll buy. :D

DMK
August 31, 2009, 05:45 PM
Ideas like these are fun. I once toyed around with the thought of a slightly beefed up Marlin M60 chambered for the .380 acp. It would have the same tube mag capacity but more fun to plink with. However, it would have been far more expensive to plink and seriously, what else would such a thing be good for? Fun idea though. This is where designing your own gun and shooting it in a full scale virtual reality environment would be fun. :)

Ian
August 31, 2009, 06:55 PM
There are conversion kits out there to make .45 ACP carbines out of Mausers and Enfields...those would meet each point except being bolt action instead of pump.

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