What is the best 9MM C.C. compact pistol ?


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sigman
August 31, 2009, 07:11 PM
Hi fellow gun fanatics !
I have a gorgeous Sig SS P220 .45 cal.,and i just bought a Sig Pro 2022 in .40 cal..
So i was thinking on getting a C.C. compact in 9MM to complete my " Holy Trinity " ! LOL !
( i also have a .44 special bulldog revolver ]
Being a Sig fan, i was naturally looking into the Sig P250.
But it's reliability has come into question acorrding to the reviews here on the HR forum.
I'm looking intently into a possible Kahr,or a CZ model.
I DON'T care for the Glock's or any of the XD's.
Walther's PP compact is too expensive at $625.

So my question is,could you recommend a good,reliable,and accurate slim and small 9MM C.C. compact pistol,other than the expensive Sigs,H & K,and Walthers ?

Thanks for your help ! :)

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wditto
August 31, 2009, 07:16 PM
take a look at the Armalite 24

Country_boy_88
August 31, 2009, 07:22 PM
taurus 709( i own) or ruger sr9. picked up my taurus for $383. not sure of the pricing on the ruger.

Ala Dan
August 31, 2009, 07:26 PM
There is nothing wrong with Kahr's CW-9; inexpensive and lightweight +
highly accurate~! ;) :D

Air,Land&Sea
August 31, 2009, 07:33 PM
Kahr P9 or Jericho 941 Compact. Maybe a CZ PCR.

JDGray
August 31, 2009, 07:43 PM
The one on the left, since Glocks are out, or a PCR:)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/IMG_2496.jpg

CZF
August 31, 2009, 07:46 PM
PCRs are plain CZweet!
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/PCR/pcrh1.jpg
The RAMI isn't bad for carry, but if you must have a SIG.
A P239 or the forthcoming P 250 mini-gun is
interesting.

I'd pic a DAO or DAK SIG, if I couldn't have a CZ:)

BP Hunter
August 31, 2009, 07:48 PM
Have you looked into the Kel Tec PF9? I have had mine for about a few months and have fired about 500 rounds with it. It had a few FTF in the 1st 50 rounds. It is very flat, light and very concealable. It also holds 7+1. This is my primary concealed weapon. It also costs less than $300.

tangomike706
August 31, 2009, 10:17 PM
Keltec PF9, Kahr CW9 .. i happen to like both of these ..

DougDubya
August 31, 2009, 10:25 PM
Also see if you can still find imported used P6's (or used American P225's, which are the same gun).

Jed Carter
August 31, 2009, 10:48 PM
Ain't no "maybe" on the CZ PCR, this pistol fits the hand like a glove. Accurate as most fullsize firearms and reliable as anything on the market.
And it's SEXY as a pistol gets. I like mine a lot, trust it completely, it goes where I go. I use a SIG P226 for HD, a Glock G34 for IDPA, and the CZ for the street.

SigP229R
August 31, 2009, 11:53 PM
I would also check the Sig P229 in 9mm or maybe a P6 and I also think there are some P228'S coming in now from Zurich, for this one check top gun supply. good luck on your hunt.

earlthegoat2
September 1, 2009, 12:07 AM
If you like Sigs get a 239 in 9mm.

Or step up and get a HK P7. I know they are both a little away from your budget but you seem to have fine taste in guns so far. Why stop a good thing?

Isher
September 1, 2009, 12:36 AM
Take your choice ...........

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Isher
September 1, 2009, 12:57 AM
Take your choice .........

IdahoLT1
September 1, 2009, 01:41 AM
another vote for the Kahr CW9.

A honorable metion would be a S&W 3913 or 908. Both should run between $300-$400 and are very good guns. They arent talked about much because everyone and their brother are out buying Glocks and XD's, but the 3rd gen S&W have a cult-like following. I would compare them to CZ 75's 5 years ago. Not many people knew about them so you could almost always get a good deal.

BlayGlock
September 1, 2009, 01:54 AM
I would vote for the Kahr CW9, it would be my first choice. If you want more rounds I have a M&P 9mm compact that I like.

Lonestar49
September 1, 2009, 02:03 AM
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Either a Sig P229, or as mentioned P239, or a SA EMP SAO 9+1 1911 9mm.

My SA EMP 1911 9mm vs my P229 9mm

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/Picture143.jpg

EMP 9mm

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/emp6.jpg

P229/40 ~ P220/45 ~ P229R CT 9mm

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/Picture280.jpg

All mentioned are excellent for ccw, and the EMP SAO (locked and cocked) is thinner and smaller in length with its 3" bull barrel and loves 124gr JHP's, and, like the Sigs, in the right hands, is a tack driver as well.

Luck,


Ls

Pizzagunner
September 1, 2009, 02:03 AM
S&W M&P9c

Girodin
September 1, 2009, 02:23 AM
I have owned, carried and shot a fair number of 9mms across a varity of brands glock, sig, kahr, springfield, etc. First I dont believe there is a hard and fast best. Even if there was a best for me it would not forcedly be the best for you. I do think there are many good choices that fill the objective requirements such as reliability and mechanical accuracy. The subjective tests usually determine what is best for a given person.

With that said here are some 9mms that I think are very fine carry guns and are very good candidates if slim and small are key criteria.

Springfiled EMP- I like this gun a lot. It is small enough to be easily concealed yet offers good 9 round mag capacity. It is expensive however.

Kahr K9- This is a great carry gun IMO and less money than the EMP. The size is just right, small enough to be easily concealed and carried big enough to shoot well. I have not tried the P9 but if an exemplar proved reliable it would be similar to the K9 only lighter. The CW9 is a stripped down version that would make a good carry gun. The inability to easily add night sights has always been a deal breaker for me. I'd spend the extra $ and get the P9.

3rd gen S&Ws. As stated these dont get a lot of attention but the are very servicable weapons and used ones can be had for a song. By far the best bargain of the group.

All of the above are much more enjoyable guns to shoot than a Pf9 and are higher quality weapons too. A pf9 is small thin and very easy to carry as is the P11. I will not say they are not a viable choice but I greatly prefer the Kahr to the kel tec. So does my friend who carries a PF9, but money was an issue. I personally would probably take kahr cw over a kel tec unless money was real tight. I have slightly more confidence in the durability of the P11, but that is just me and I am sure many PF9 owners will take exception.

The P6 when they could be had for $350 were a steal. I am only seeing them at much higher prices now. The P6 is roughly the same size as a g19 and holds half the rounds. It is notably bigger and heavier than a kahr which has nearly the same mag capacity. I like the P6 a lot but I would not call it small and slim .

I have a P229 and it is a great gun but I would never call it slim or small. If I was after a carry gun I would rather have one of the above mentioned guns. If it was a duty gun or a night stand gun then I would not hesitate to recommend the p229 as a potential choice.

I dont have experience with the CZ mentioned here. I really need to buy some CZs. I have no reason to believe it is not a great gun. It appears to be the size of a G19. A G19 is not real small or slim but is not too big for a carry gun IMO. The Kahrs are notably smaller and slimmer than my G19. I do find the G19 to be preferable to the sig 229 in terms of size and weight for a carry gun.

How small do you want? Go out look at some guns, see what feels good. Shoot a bunch if possible. The good news is there really are many choices of perfectly adequate carry guns.

RangeRat
September 1, 2009, 02:26 AM
I'm another one carrying the EMP. Kind of expensive but so worth it.

Mags
September 1, 2009, 02:36 AM
In my opinion mostly because that is the whole reason I purchased it is the M&P9c. Yeah it is a little big and holds only 12+1 but it is accurate and doesn't feel like a mousgun or like a brick find it to be a nice in between feel to it. And as far as concealability goes put it in an IWB and it doesn't print for me (220 pounds). It also fits well in my console of my truck when I have to remove it when entering no guns allowed buildings.

m2steven
September 1, 2009, 03:09 AM
I love my kahr E9 (replaced by the cw 9) and my Kahr PM9. Both are very accurate and mine have been perfect. I put 200 more rounds through my PM9 today and about 150 through my Makarov. The Makarov is a sweet pistol. It's cheap and ammo is cheap.

I don't know if you're a 380 person, but i've seen about 5 of them at the range (today a gentleman had a walther ppk and a ppk/s. They were tearing up the center of his targets). I'm going to have to have one. And every one i've seen has been a S&W. All perfect no misfires, feeds, nor extraction problems.

The guy also had a Taurus Judge. He let me shoot it. 1, the grip is fantastic. It's as soft as a pillow, and your hand will not lose grip. 2, the trigger pull was great - and this is a Taurus. 3, and most importantly - what a FUN gun to shoot!!! I just had to share this - wrong forum, but hey - i couldn't help but mention it.

Get the Kahr!

RMA
September 1, 2009, 08:36 AM
P7M8 ;) or any of the P7's for that matter. That is why I am going on my 6th one :D (3 M8's/1 P7/1 M13) & another M8 in the next month or so :)

armoredman
September 1, 2009, 10:29 AM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/topracksafe.jpg

swmp9jrm
September 1, 2009, 10:58 AM
Mine is the Taurus PT-709. Just a skosh bigger and heavier than a Kel-Tec PF-9 or Kahr PM-9. 7+1, manual safety, Glock-like trigger, 2nd strike capability on a misfire. Felt recoil is reasonable, and the 709 is easy to shoot accurately. I have about 200 rounds of FMJ and JHP through the gun, and feel comfortable with it as a carry weapon.

http://i26.tinypic.com/vws8w7.jpg

Dollar An Hour
September 1, 2009, 12:10 PM
Lots of suggestions for bulky / heavy pistols you'll probably lose enthusiasm for carrying before too long.

You've got two larger pistols already. So I say Kahr PM9, Kel-Tec PF9 or S&W CS9 or M&P9c. All of these are subcompact and carry easily. Before you pick one of these you need to figure out which type of action you prefer in terms of DA/SA versus DAO.

PX15
September 1, 2009, 04:03 PM
JMOfartO:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_9857.jpg

Hard to beat a nice 3rd Gen Smith 3913LS or CS9... :)

Jesse

gtmtnbiker98
September 1, 2009, 04:08 PM
HK P2000SK, pick your own caliber.

PX15
September 1, 2009, 06:44 PM
gtmtnbiker98:

No argument from me.. :)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1158_01.jpg

But..

The gentleman said no expensive "Sigs, H&K's, or Walthers".. :(

Without his restrictions I would agree that FOR ME the HK p2000sk V3, followed by the HK P7 and then the fine Walther P99c/AS would have been my suggestions.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1164.jpg

Best Wishes,

Jesse

makarovnik
September 1, 2009, 06:49 PM
S&W M&P or Kahr. The little EMP is good also if you like that platform.

CoRoMo
September 1, 2009, 06:59 PM
My P11 hasn't yet given me a single reason not to like it.

And

The competition hasn't produced a single pistol that compares to all of its features/specs.

1911 Operator
September 1, 2009, 11:10 PM
i would say the glock 26 and s&w m&p are two of the best.

greenlion
September 2, 2009, 12:26 AM
Had a Kahr CW9 for a year. It did not conceal any better than my Glock 26, was less reliable, held less ammo, extra mags for it cost a small fortune, and it developed some surface rust although I wiped it down often. Sold it and have not missed it once.

I thought long and hard about the Kahr PM9, but I read so many negative experiences with them I am hesitant to shell out that much cash on a gun that does not seem to be any more reliable than the cheaper Kel-tec PF-9. I have given up on a super slim 9mm for the time being. If I can't conceal my G26, I carry a S&W 642 revolver. On paper, it looks like a revolver like that would be too wide to conceal well, but the centennial simply disappears in an IWB holster.

greenlion
September 2, 2009, 12:30 AM
JMOfartO:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_9857.jpg

Hard to beat a nice 3rd Gen Smith 3913LS or CS9... :)

Jesse
I had one of those S&W 3913's many years ago. That really was a great little gun. Super accurate, absolutely reliable. The one thing that bothered me was the enormous safety on the slide. It dug into my side. One like PX15 posted that is DA only would make a terrific gun. I always thought that matte grey ladysmith version was a nice looking gun.

panoz77
September 2, 2009, 12:48 AM
Kel-Tec P9 or P11 are a great proven choice and the gun has lifetime warranty. Highly copied but the original is always the best IMO.

Girodin
September 2, 2009, 03:00 AM
Had a Kahr CW9 for a year. It did not conceal any better than my Glock 26

I would say that my K9 is easier to conceal than my G19 or my newly acquired g26. Obviously peoples shapes, clothing, method of carry vary though. The is not a huge difference though and for some it may indeed be negligible. I concur on your other points however. I know some people will throw a tizzy but I have more confidence in randomly selected glock than a randomly selected Kahr. I proven kahr is a good gun. As I said I have often carried one. It seems to me (take that for what its worth) that there are more issues with Kahrs. G26 is a good carry gun, there is a reason I just bought one. My Kahr fills that role very well also. A kahr will likely take some breaking in and I would want a higher round count than I would with my glocks using my intended carry ammo before I had confidence sufficient to carry a new kahr. That is just my opinion (based on my experiences) though.

Kel-Tec P9 or P11 are a great proven choice and the gun has lifetime warranty. Highly copied but the original is always the best IMO.

Who has copied the design of the PF9 or the P11?

EOD Guy in VA
September 2, 2009, 05:43 PM
S&W M&P Compact. I have two, one in 9mm and one in 40S&W. They have both been 100% reliable, have excellent fit and finish, and are very comfortable in the hand partially due to the interchangeable backstraps.

Larger, but better as well, is the HK P30. In my view, it's nearly the perfect pistol.

panoz77
September 3, 2009, 02:12 AM
I would say that my K9 is easier to conceal than my G19 or my newly acquired g26. Obviously peoples shapes, clothing, method of carry vary though. The is not a huge difference though and for some it may indeed be negligible. I concur on your other points however. I know some people will throw a tizzy but I have more confidence in randomly selected glock than a randomly selected Kahr. I proven kahr is a good gun. As I said I have often carried one. It seems to me (take that for what its worth) that there are more issues with Kahrs. G26 is a good carry gun, there is a reason I just bought one. My Kahr fills that role very well also. A kahr will likely take some breaking in and I would want a higher round count than I would with my glocks using my intended carry ammo before I had confidence sufficient to carry a new kahr. That is just my opinion (based on my experiences) though.



Who has copied the design of the PF9 or the P11?
Who has copied the design of the PF9 or the P11?

How about the sccy (SKYY) CPX-1 also Ruger LCP (actually a copy of the p3AT)

scurtis_34471
September 3, 2009, 10:57 AM
I'm trading my XD-40 Subcompact, because I almost never carried it after getting a Kahr P9 Covert. I have a CZ PO-1 and an XD-40 Service, both of which I really like and rarely carry. Once you realize that you can carry an accurate and reliable gun with good sights and a great trigger that only weighs 16oz (unloaded), 30oz guns tend to lose their appeal for daily carry. I don't feel under-armed with 6+1 rounds of 9mm +P JHP and spare magazines are tiny enough to drop in a pocket. I doubt I will ever regularly carry a service-size, double-stack pistol on a regular basis again.

Girodin
September 3, 2009, 12:09 PM
Ruger LCP (actually a copy of the p3AT)

I'm well aware of this one but as you mentioned it is a copy of the P3at which although similar to PF9 is not a PF9 in a few important respects.

I had never heard of the cxp-1 before; I googled it though. I'll have to read up on them if I ever get the time.

DougDubya
September 3, 2009, 12:50 PM
I always felt that the Taurus Millenium family owed a lot to the P11, if not was a rip.

armoredman
September 3, 2009, 02:52 PM
Skyy is junk, keep it on google and never in your hand.

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