AK pistol, they good? Worth it?


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PandaBearBG
September 2, 2009, 06:33 AM
Thinking about buying a AK pistol, saw one for about $550 made by CUGIR and made in Romania. I think it has about a 7" barrel. Don't know much about AK's and was wondering if it's worth it. No experience with rifle caliber pistols for that matter either. Is it worth it? Do rifle caliber pistols function well despite shorted gas/piston lengths? Or should I just use the money to buy another AR (already have 1) or a full sized AK which would be cheaper (I do not own one). Oh yeah the pistol AK comes with a 75 rnd drum. I humbly ask for the advice of AK owners and rifle caliber pistol owners out there.

Is there a difference between AK pistols that have the upper tube welded to the front site? I've seen others that do not.

http://www.thompsonmachine.net/img/akpistol/akpistol.jpg

** looks like this with maybe 2" more on the handguard but isn't the actual one.

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nalioth
September 2, 2009, 07:17 AM
Thinking about buying a AK pistol, saw one for about $550 made by CUGIR and made in Romania. I think it has about a 7" barrel. These have 12" barrels. They make excellent "pistols", as the gas system hasn't been buggered with. They also make excellent SBRs (you know, for when you hit it big with a scratch-off :) )

Don't know much about AK's and was wondering if it's worth it. No experience with rifle caliber pistols for that matter either. Is it worth it? Do rifle caliber pistols function well despite shorted gas/piston lengths? Or should I just use the money to buy another AR (already have 1) or a full sized AK which would be cheaper (I do not own one).
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Is there a difference between AK pistols that have the upper tube welded to the front site? You should avoid any AK pistols with modified gas systems/pistons, unless you get a good warranty. Even the smallest miscalculation in the builder can make for a frustrating period of ownership.

PTK
September 2, 2009, 07:24 AM
Where in the world did you find one for $550? That's a fantastic price.

Mp7
September 2, 2009, 07:26 AM
...as a last resort for SHTF iŽd definitely
want a krink in my toolbox!

pk@wellst.fsnet.co.uk
September 2, 2009, 09:32 AM
My buddy picked one up in Iraq, it was an absolute pain in the arse of a thing! Scatters lead everywhere except where you want it and deafens you as well:what::what::what:

rfurtkamp
September 2, 2009, 09:32 AM
You don't own a regular AK.

Start there before venturing into the exotics.

I say this as a SBR-loving, wierd gun-loving freak with a Carbon 15 pistol, multiple Vector V51 SBRs, Uzi, etc. The AK pistol is an extremely niche product.

hhmorant
September 2, 2009, 12:21 PM
You don't own a regular AK.

Start there before venturing into the exotics.



Good advice there. I built an AK pistol just for fun, and while it is fun, the novelty wears off after a while.

I'd buy a full-sized AK first.

Just my opinion.

CleverNickname
September 2, 2009, 12:38 PM
Large unwieldy pistols made from what are normally rifle actions are some of the most pointless guns out there IMO. They're too big to CCW (or even open carry) effectively, and their lack of a shoulder stock makes them difficult to shoot accurately. You're also losing a lot of the cartridge's effectiveness with such pistols that are chambered in what are normally rifle cartridges. In short the only real purpose of these guns is if you want a range toy. Everyone would attach a stock to them were it not due to legal issues. Either spend the $200 to SBR it if it's legal where you live and you really want the short barrel or just stay with a title I rifle.

Jackal
September 2, 2009, 01:23 PM
Here's a pic of my Draco. Its perfectly reliable, super fun and just plain cool. Its not very accurate (pie plate at 50 yards is good enough). With the 75rnd drum, its the most cumulativly powerful pistol there is.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w209/tgstoken/IMG_2091.jpg

ZombieKiller
September 2, 2009, 01:32 PM
You should just buy my AK-47 with a nice folding stock

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/8968/img1790l.jpg

Justin
September 2, 2009, 01:35 PM
Don't know much about AK's and was wondering if it's worth it.

They're absolutely fantastic for turning money into noise.

H2O MAN
September 2, 2009, 01:59 PM
I researched buying/building an AK pistol and decided a full size AKM was a much better configuration.

PandaBearBG
September 2, 2009, 06:07 PM
Thanks fella's appreciate the advice. I was thinking of getting it just for its compactness and power as a back up for a back up for last resorts and it's decent price (cuz it comes with a drum). BUUUUT after reading your advice I decided I will just go with another full size rifle. Now whether that is another AR or an AK I guess I'll decide at the gunshow this weekend. Thanks!

Ian
September 2, 2009, 08:56 PM
The only reason I would buy an AK pistol is to register it as a SBR. But if I was going to pay for an SBR and put the work into replacing the rear trunnion, I would want to start with an 7 or 8 inch barrel, not the 12-incher that the AK pistols have.

rangerruck
September 3, 2009, 12:28 AM
if it comes with the drum , for that price, I would be so all over that!!!!
also, it will function fine, the piston doesn't mind at all. the bad thing about them is; it will make a huge flash in low light, and it will be as loud as anything you have fired.

Also, having just read a prolonged series on the ak 47, one piece of the article dealt with the round, and short bbl capability. In short, it does not lose enough speed or energy, to make it inefective; as a matter of fact, the article went on to say, a sbr ak, still makes a fabulous out to 100m gun, and will do what it is designed to do. I personally would rather have it in 545 , with the expanding gas chamber up front, but thats just me; no over penetration. the 762 out of the sbr, is still going to penetrate.
However, if you can get a hold of some downloaded 160 or 170 grain carts out there, this will also make it a great room clearer, without the over penetration, and then if you can thread the bbl, and put a can on it, well then, you now have a almost quite room sweaper, by comparison.

or just get silver bear hollow points, and keep it by the bed...

rangerruck
September 3, 2009, 12:38 AM
one more thing about the tineh ak's, if you have been firing it, and you foget about it for a few seconds, and reach back up to grab it, and are not looking where you are grabbing, and you grab ANY OTHER PART, of that front end other than the handguards........ ssssshhhshhhhshhhhshhsss.... owww!!!!!

PandaBearBG
September 3, 2009, 01:13 AM
AAAHHHH rangerruck!!! Now you are giving me second thoughts!!! What to do what to do......:(

Storm
September 3, 2009, 10:29 AM
I've tried and tried with rifle-pistols and have come to the conclusion that beyond an SBR they are pretty much novelties. They are fun, but I have found that I lose interest quickly. I tried the PLR-16 and the Brugger & Thomet TP-9, and quickly tired of both. The TP-9 was the best of them (but not a rifle caliber) as it was a handy size and a nice balance with the mag in the grip. Otherwise, with something like the Krink, you've got a lot of weight out front. Using a sling can help, but for the vast majority of shooters I'd say go with a regular AK, or one with a folder.

Jackal
September 3, 2009, 12:51 PM
I used mine for a truck gun. Its illegal here to keep a loaded rifle in the vehicle, but a loaded pistol (with conceal carry permit) is ok. Its great to have an AK "handgun" with a 75rnd drum sitting on the seat beside you. When firing, you hold it just like a rifle and pretend you have it shouldered. Its actually quite easy to shoot, noise isnt any worse than a 44mag, recoil is non existant and it makes a great house gun as well.

Mr_Pale_Horse
September 3, 2009, 01:04 PM
They're absolutely fantastic for turning money into noise.
+100 dB

Prince Yamato
September 3, 2009, 02:14 PM
The Draco pistols are actually sold with stocks and as rifles in Europe. I forget their Romanian military designation but they are actually based off of real military guns, they're not a hatched job. I would tend to think of them less as a rifle and more as a PDW.

Jackal
September 3, 2009, 02:30 PM
Classic Arms has the Draco pistols for $369 SHIPPED right now. At that price, why not get one? Just 3 months ago, I sold my Draco for $700, during the Obama scare.

malix
September 3, 2009, 03:23 PM
Classic Arms has the Draco pistols for $369 SHIPPED right now.

Where do you see that?

Im looking at the site right now and i dont see it anywhere.

Jackal
September 3, 2009, 04:47 PM
Quote:
Classic Arms has the Draco pistols for $369 SHIPPED right now.
Where do you see that?

Im looking at the site right now and i dont see it anywhere.

Wow, lol. They were there last night. I guess I'm not the only one that saw them and noticed the price.:D

fireman 9731
September 3, 2009, 04:55 PM
If I had the money, I would buy one for that price in a heartbeat. No matter how loud or useless it is.

rockmup
September 3, 2009, 06:01 PM
They are a blast to shoot if they are built right. If not you'll hate it.
Buy a rifle first and learn the platform. then buy/build one.

zhyla
September 3, 2009, 07:21 PM
A gun that you can't shoot reasonably accurately is a bad purchasing decision. It's a poor choice for a SHTF situation since you need to be able to depend on it putting holes where you want them. They are entertaining as a toy but I don't look at them as a real weapon.

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