Mauser... Need help identifying..


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wolffee027
September 2, 2009, 09:11 PM
This is my first post...I love this site, very helpful.

I recently inherited what looks like a Mauser from my grand father. I am not new to rifles as I am an avid hunter but I am not very knowledgeable with this peticular rifle. I have been trying to do some research and I cant find any info on it on the web so I am trying here. I will then be taking it to my gunsmith for further info.

On the left side of the receiver there is some numbers and letters...
NAC RID N.J.

Underneather one line down is 9052 to the right of that just a smidge is 98.TH.

On the top of the reciever there is a symbol that looks to have an A T F. But they are imposed on top of one another.

under the symbol is 1954

On the handle to release the bolt is 5623 with a B on top of it.

If you pull the bolt back there is a star stamped on the base and the numbers. As well as a 48 stamped into the tray that supports the extra shells.

Any help would be great I am excited to learn anything about this piece as it was my grand fathers who was in WWII.

On a side note he had a few other Mausers and a butt load of 7.92 army issue with silver bullets and 8mm remmington. and neither of the two rounds fit in this peticular rifle... so I have no idea what to try and see what fits now..

Thanks again for any help...

Ryan

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chevyforlife21
September 2, 2009, 09:22 PM
sounds like a yugo model 48. these were german mauser 98 rifles captured by the yugoslavs and refinished

9mm+
September 2, 2009, 09:24 PM
Wolfee -- Could you please post some photos of the Mauser? Thanks!

cchris
September 2, 2009, 10:16 PM
If you take pictures, you can upload them to www.tinypic.com without having to sign up (or taking up THR webspace). Pictures would help us ID it better.

Gambit
September 2, 2009, 10:25 PM
"sounds like a yugo model 48. these were german mauser 98 rifles captured by the yugoslavs and refinished"

The M48's were not K98 rebuilds but, new rifles produced by Yugoslavia after WW2.

Olympus
September 2, 2009, 10:49 PM
Doesn't sound like any M48 I've ever seen. An M48 will have a crest on top of the receiver.

I'd be willing to place a good amount of money that what you have is a Turkish Mauser. Probably looks pretty close to this: http://arms2armor.com/Firearms/turkishATF.htm

wolffee027
September 2, 2009, 10:50 PM
Here are some pics hope it helps.. hope you can see them well.

Thanks for all your helps guys any idea on caliber 7.92 , and remm 8mm didnt fit

http://tinypic.com/r/15plw92/3
http://tinypic.com/r/2s0e3jn/3
http://tinypic.com/r/2m2ja1f/3
://tinypic.com/r/2daf4wm/3
Any idea on age?

Thanks again
Ryan

jimmyraythomason
September 2, 2009, 10:57 PM
Unless it has been rechambered it is 7.92mm or 8x57mm Mauser. Early Turk Mausers were in 7.65x53 Belgium (Argentine)but not the ATFs.

Jubjub
September 2, 2009, 11:23 PM
After looking at your pics, and looking around a bit, apparently what you have is a Turkish 1954 ATF, which is a WWI era German Gew. 98 that was rebuilt at a Turkish arsenal, oddly enough in 1954.

Some info is here http://www.turkmauser.com/default.aspx
Surplusrifle.com might have some more info.

AZAviator
September 3, 2009, 12:49 AM
Deffinately not WWII German Mauser as indicated by the 1954. Atleast not original parts.

Olympus
September 3, 2009, 08:55 AM
Like I said, it's definitely a Turkish Mauser. And the 1954 isn't just a random serial number....:D

Mr_Pale_Horse
September 3, 2009, 10:44 AM
Between 1954-1956, the last batch of Gew 98 mausers were reworked to generally conform to the Turkish M1938 configuration. This was done at the Askari Fabrik, Ankara, Türkiye Cumhuriyeti (Turkish Republic).

The '1954' represents to year of the conversion. ATF is an adaptation of the As Fa TC seen on the M1938's, more likely AFT or "Askari Fabrik Türkiye"

NCsmitty
September 3, 2009, 11:45 AM
Welcome to THR, wolffee027.

Mr_Pale_Horse and others have the correct info on the rifle in question.

The distinction of this rifle is that it is a large ring standard length action, that had the face of the action machined to incorporate the wood handguard lip that was cast into previous Turkish Mauser builds. The action actually has less threads in the action because of the machining. It also has large ring threads. (1.100")

Original full length K.Kale Turk Mausers, as well as M38/1903 intermediate actions all had large ring actions with small ring threads. (.980")

Your rifle should be chambered in the standard 7.92x57 (8MM Mauser or 8x57, they're all the same).
If you cannot chamber the milsurp 7.92x57 ammo, you need to make sure the chamber does not have dried cosmoline that's preventing the chambering. Mineral spirits should soften it and a medium shotgun brush should remove it.


NCsmitty

wolffee027
September 3, 2009, 09:06 PM
Thankyou all for your help I have a good direction now on what I have. The rifle seems to have a problem chambering the bullet. After taking a little more time to investigate the rifle the 7.92 does fit but...

The 7.92 will only fit if you remove the bolt completly and place the bullets lip under the claw of the bolt then slide the bolt with the bullet attached through the reciever and and then sure enough wala the handle went all the way down to the fully engauged position. So the rifle does fit the 7.92 but the claw is just not getting around the lip of the bullet. So thats why the bolt doesnt go all the way foward. I am not skilled enough to try and take the bolt apart so I guess I will be going to my local gunsmith...

Thanks again for all of your help...

Ryan

rugbyer81
September 3, 2009, 11:10 PM
Not saying you shouldn't take it to a gunsmith, but taking the bolt apart isn't very difficult and who knows, you may be able to solve the problem yourself. This is an excellent tutorial on how to disassemble a Mauser bolt.

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/mauserboltdisassembly/index.asp

rust collector
September 3, 2009, 11:48 PM
I'm no 98 wizard, but I always understood that the extractors on these were not designed to snap over a chambered round. They were designed to feed from the magazine only, which pushed the round up with the rim under the claw.

You might try loading a few rounds into the magazine and give that a whirl. Just remember to keep the safety on and the muzzle in a safe direction.

mackbob
September 4, 2009, 12:49 AM
Your rifle was imported and marked per 1968 Gun Control Act regulations:

NAC is Navy Arms Corporation

Ridgeway, New Jersey

Sounds like a 48 Yugo Mauser. They were made on German machinery and are very decent rifles. I owned two and both were fine firearms. I sold one to a friend who wanted one.

Not particularly valuable unless you are looking for one and then they can become quite pricey, something in the $300 category the last time I saw a decent one for sale. DO NOT buy the rough ones, as they are pretty badly worn from my inspection of several a couple of years ago.

Good luck with your rifle. Keep it pointed downrange, as the 8 MM cartridge is exceptionally powerful. This rifle is as deadly today as the day it was made.
;)

Mr_Pale_Horse
September 4, 2009, 09:58 AM
wolffee027,

Mausers feed from the magazine. The bolt can be forced closed over a rim, but the claw is a huge leaf spring, and the claw is at a mechanical disadvantage.


Sounds like a 48 Yugo Mauser.
mackbob,
ATF 1954 is a Turk. Go here for further info:
http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/177583#reply-177583

mackbob
September 4, 2009, 11:33 AM
Mr. Pale, thanks for the link. It enlightened me on the code markings. I think the other markings are from Navy Arms though. They are a large importer of almost anything military.
:o

wolffee027
September 4, 2009, 08:33 PM
I did try to load from the mag and had the same problem. Claw still wont go around the lip. Tried a few different things and no go. Did take a look at taking apart the bolt and it didnt look to crazy. I am a very mechanical guy as I am a Heavy Diesel Tech. I may or may not go for it. Thanks again for all your help I am going to print out the thread so I can keep it with the gun.

Thanks

Ryan

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