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MedGrl
September 5, 2009, 05:02 PM
I live with my brother and sister. My brother is an Army reservist so he has no issues with guns. My sister knows about my guns and has even been to the range with me a few times. But she has been reluctant to buy her own gun or become more than passingly familiar with mine.

Two nights ago while I was at my parent's house recovering from foot surgery, my brother came home from work (he works nights at his civilian job) around 2:30 am and found the basement door kicked in. He retrieved one of my guns from my safe and cleared the house and found my sister still sound asleep.

Thankfully nothing was taken and no one was hurt, but today my brother and I took my sister to the local gun store and after 2 hours of help with a very nice gun store owner she has her first gun. And in a few days we have a home security system (something I brought up a year ago when we moved into this house) being installed.

It is unfortunate that our home had to be violated for this vigilance to be instated, but it is finally happening.

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Shung
September 5, 2009, 05:06 PM
Congrats to your sister, and you for making her do that step ! I suggest that she gets the proper training as well.. it's not because you own a Guitar that you know how to play (and sound good) with it..

Erik M
September 5, 2009, 05:14 PM
glad to hear everyone is ok. I also recommend some training for you sister so that she is comfortable and confident in using her weapon.

Vern Humphrey
September 5, 2009, 05:43 PM
The part about getting a gun from the safe gives me the willies. Coming in on a burglary in progress is a very dangerous situation -- I would back out and call the cops if I were unarmed.

Ragnar Danneskjold
September 5, 2009, 06:01 PM
I am also in the Army, an MP in the National Guard, and despite the training I have received, I would NOT clear a building by myself and certainly not without a weapon. Is there a reason why your brother does not carry a firearm on his person? I'm glad it all turned out OK, and that no on was hurt and none of your possessions were stolen. But I would have A) called the police on my cell, confirmed the address and situation with the dispatcher, then B) drawn my own firearm and proceeded to move tactically (yes an actual appropriate use of the term) to the sisters room and C) barricaded us in the room until the police arrive.

Clearing an empty building by yourself, even with a rifle and a sidearm, is beyond unwise. I will say that with a family member asleep in the building, I would put aside personal safety and secure them. But continuing to clear the building would be an unneeded and unsafe extra step.

I'm glad your sister decided to take the next step towards personal firearms ownership. But I would advise your brother to get his CCW license ASAP and start carrying. A situation like he just encountered is a bad time to realize your gun is locked in a safe in another room.

ByAnyMeans
September 5, 2009, 06:07 PM
Very glad to hear that everyone is alright. It's great that your sister has opened her eyes and is taking her defense seriously. A defensive pistol class sounds in order and you should make sure she practices what she learns.

Vern Humphrey
September 5, 2009, 06:09 PM
I would NOT clear a building by myself and certainly not without a weapon.
Amen!
Is there a reason why your brother does not carry a firearm on his person?
And has he learned from this experience?

PandaBearBG
September 5, 2009, 07:14 PM
Congrats to your sister and for your brother to take the initative. I'm guessing your brother doesn't carry because I think you said they were your guns, so I think he needs to step up and get his own too, no such thing as too many.

As for your situation, clearing a home alone may have been his only option. To clear it before he could get to your sister's room? I'm just speculating here. Of course optimal situation would be to have more than one clear a building. My personal opinion, I would throw my sister a rifle tell her to stay buttoned up locked in her room, barricade the door and call the police. As fool hardy and dumb as it sounds, I would take the time to clear the building alone if thats what the situation was. Dangerous yes, stupid possible. But my personality and personal character would want to ensure that this intruder did not get away where he could rob/damage/injure someone else or thier home.

Besides it's MY home, MY property. If someone is going to intrude and destroy my peace of mind by breaking in I am going to make sure they pay and never have the opportunity to do that me or another again. Like I said, not the smartest course of action, but sometimes I get that rightious anger inside me and take the fool's chance, in situations I need to DO not wait. I guess it's my USMC-gun-ho-get 'em-good attitude. In my eyes the biggest crime is doing nothing and letting the baddies get away with it.

saltydog452
September 5, 2009, 08:48 PM
If loved ones are involved, we'd put out the fires of hell using a full bladder and a mouthful of spit.

salty

Meesh
September 5, 2009, 09:14 PM
If sis slept through it all, how is having a gun going to help her? Is she usually such a sound sleeper?

That's actually a concern of mine -- I can sleep through a nuclear explosion! What does one do to protect oneself if you're not a "twig-snap" kind of sleeper?

Meesh

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
September 5, 2009, 09:14 PM
About 2 years ago my wife and I came home from a night out to find the front door wide open and i got this sick feeling because I only had a glass front gun cabinet at the time and my handguns were in the drawer on the bottom. Even though I was pretty sure the door didn't shut right when we left because it was tight as I'd just installed new weatherstripping on my front door, being a windy november night here in Florida and having the window down on the storm door the wind must have blown open the front door. I called the sheriff after contemplating clearing the house with my neighbor. Funny thing was after about 9 cars showed up at the house and the K-9 officer cleared it a few of them checked out what I had in the cabinet and aked if I had anything for sale.

Gunfighter123
September 5, 2009, 10:16 PM
That's actually a concern of mine -- I can sleep through a nuclear explosion! What does one do to protect oneself if you're not a "twig-snap" kind of sleeper?

Meesh


A large or even a small dog is my first choice of a alarm -- BTW , CONGRATS Meesh on getting your other half to agree about the firearm,

PandaBearBG
September 5, 2009, 10:25 PM
Meesh, get a dog, or a home security system,or if thats not in the budget pick up some of those window/door alarm, the kind that when you break the connection they beep and whine. Better than nothing.

Dulvarian
September 5, 2009, 10:31 PM
I, too, can sleep through a lot. Once, my wife had a lumber come in and cut out a 50' pine, section it, grind the stump and haul it off and I didn't wake up. I was working nights and was drunk to boot, but still. That was pretty impressive.

I have the dog and the security system. If I am not home, the dog sits in the front window waiting for us and barks at anything she sees in the yard. If I am not home, I get a phone call from the security company on my cell. If home, I have easy access to my carry piece :evil:. When I go to bed, I set the alarm to zero delay. Any door or window opens, the alarm goes off, the dog goes crazy, and that wakes me up rather fast.

ichiban
September 5, 2009, 10:38 PM
You can't go wrong with a dog - for so many reasons.
Now, if I could just keep mine out of the tequila.......

KenWP
September 5, 2009, 10:40 PM
You guys must have tougher crooks then we do the last one I caught breaking in I held him in a room with him beating on the door untill the cops came. He tried a couple of times then waited. The cop just opened the door and asked who the hell was in there. He plead out at the court case and I got my $14 bucks and went home.

1shot3kills
September 5, 2009, 10:42 PM
home invasions became a regular thing in my north fort worth neigborhood,even the house directly across from mine was robbed,but in the middle of the day right after the owner came home for lunch then left,then right after that a home owner was home and cought them red handed,but let them go even after one was already in his backdoor!what they did was knock on front door then when noone answered 2 others went around back ,the home owner was asleep so he was slow at getting to door,as he was going to front door he seen 2 on his back porch,so he went and got gun.the 2 around back kicked the door in and started to enter,the homeowner jumped out of bed room with gun and had a good bead on them but just told them to leave,so they did,then he called police.......i dont know about anyone else but i would have to be cleaning up brains and blood if i would have cought them inside like that

Bruno2
September 5, 2009, 10:45 PM
Getting a gun is good , having the nerve to use it is a completely different aspect of having a gun . My wife had an attempted attack happen to her at our house . She grabbed the Beretta 21 and answered the door . The guy on the outside ask some stupid questions and then proceeded to force the door open . She drew down on him ,but , didnt seal the deal . When the intruder saw the gun he started backing off the porch . Thats when Josephine (pitbull , chow , lab , german shepard ) attacked him . She chewed him up pretty good and the description of her hanging off of his azz while he was running across the front yard still makes me bust out laughing . The next day a single mom that was our neighbor came down and asked us if we saw the news .I replied no and she said this guy that had been coming over to her house for the last week and asking her stupid questions was caught after sexually assaulting a woman at a nearby apt complex . We turned on the evening news and sure enough there was the guy that tried to assault my wife . I am glad my wife was not hurt, but, I know that she feels bad for not stopping the guy from attacking someone else .

psychogoc
September 6, 2009, 02:40 AM
Amen to the dog! We have two 80 lb labs in the house. The hair gets annoying, but you can bet that if someone was trying to hurt my wife, they would tear their tail up! Or, at least by her time to get to one of the guns. Even a small dog is good to have, not only for security but companionship. Even a small dog will fight with all it has for its owner. Plus, if a bad guy hears a dog, they will most likely seek an easier target!

06
September 6, 2009, 03:54 AM
Glad she now has a pistol. Teaching her to "snap shoot" as well as aimed firing is important. The bad guy is not going to stand still while you adopt a three point stance and aim at him.
Clearing a home is a dangerous thing. Have done it a couple of times and do not like it. Any cornered animal will become vicious when there is no way out but through you. wc

Mr. Bojangles
September 6, 2009, 05:17 AM
I understand those of you who question the wisdom of clearing a building alone. However, I also understand the concern of his brother having his sister home alone with a potential intruder in the house. Sometimes one has to choose between a bad choice and a worse one. Glad to hear everyone was ok.

statelineblues
September 6, 2009, 07:55 AM
Glad to hear all are OK -

Meesh posted:

If sis slept through it all, how is having a gun going to help her? Is she usually such a sound sleeper?

I think this is a "I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it" situation.

The Lone Haranguer
September 6, 2009, 08:32 AM
In a sense, your home was invaded, but since it was unoccupied at the time I would not really consider it a home invasion.

With visible, obvious signs of a break-in (the kicked in door), I would recommend retreating and calling the police, as others have stated.

statelineblues
September 6, 2009, 10:17 AM
my brother came home from work... and found my sister still sound asleep.

TLH, her home was occupied

johnchamp
September 6, 2009, 10:53 AM
i feel for you i'm glad no one got hurt & everyone's safe. that's a good idea getting a gun for her. i keep mine loaded before i go to bed my 686-4 i just picked up :D nobody's breaking in my house ;)

bigger hammer
September 6, 2009, 11:01 AM
I'd suggest adding a third layer of protection to the already mentioned alarm system and dogs. That's a locked and hardened bedroom door. Even if the crook(s) get through the alarm and dogs, all that they can get is property. While I'm loath to let them have it, that's why there's insurance. In order to cause harm to a person they have to get through that bedroom door. Doing so will surely awaken even the soundest sleeper, giving them time to make good their self defense IF they've prepared beforehand.

MedGrl
September 6, 2009, 11:13 AM
To answer a few points that have been brought up:

My brother just turned 21 and his CCW is being processed as we speak...he started the process about 3 weeks ago (it can take up to 90 days in VA). We have a list of defensive handgun classes that my sister is investigating.

My sister was home and asleep. My brother could not get a response from her and was afraid someone was upstairs doing something to her, and that is why he retrieved the guns and cleared the house so he could check on her.

She is not normally such a sound sleeper but she has been working odd hours and was incredibly tired.

The police think that the reason someone kicked in the door and then left without harming anything or any one is that the person was intoxicated, came home and was at the wrong house but didn't realize it. Thinking they had been locked out they broke in to what they thought was their own house then realized it was the wrong house and fled

Unknownsoldier
September 6, 2009, 11:25 AM
Hi,

I wish my country (UK) would allow us the right to use guns for personal defence, over here the police would be harder on you than the burglar!

ATB,
Tom

smallbore
September 6, 2009, 03:17 PM
Glad to hear your family members are safe.

DFW1911
September 6, 2009, 06:10 PM
Okay, that's scary. Good news all are safe.

A few lessons worth repeating: clearing a building is very, very hazardous work. Even if you're on a team (which is how I was trained) the chances of taking a hit remain.

Clearing by yourself, to me, sounds like a really bad idea. Sure, you know the lay of the place, but you're totally reactive. The bad guy doesn't even really need cover, concealment will work just fine to get the drop on you.

I hope you pass this on to you brother: call 911.

An alarm and / or a dog are very good ideas. If your sister sleeps through the noise they make, a security door on her bedroom may be a wise investment. You may want to consider all three.

Remember that if you have to use your gun your home defense layers have failed: spend some time and money to keep them out or slow them down by strengthening your HD layers.

Being dead asleep with a gun on the nightstand isn't going to help if someone can creep in without setting off any alarms.

Just my $.02, YMMV.

Stay safe,
DFW1911

Vern Humphrey
September 6, 2009, 06:18 PM
+ 1.

And one more point: There used to be a gag sign in some restaurants, "If you value your hat and coat -- wear 'em!"

If you value your life and have a gun, carry it.

Bruno2
September 6, 2009, 10:03 PM
big mean dog!!!!!!!!

Little dogs will work , but , the burglars will be mean to them if youre not there:(

fireflyfather
September 7, 2009, 02:54 AM
Clearing by yourself, to me, sounds like a really bad idea. Sure, you know the lay of the place, but you're totally reactive. The bad guy doesn't even really need cover, concealment will work just fine to get the drop on you.

DFW1911: He suspected that a *family member* was in the house with an intruder. Dialaprayer(cops) may not be fast enough. How many people here make the point that firearms ownership is a necessity because of poor police response times? If my family is home with an intruder possibly inside, I'm not going to wait for the cops, even if I have to go in barehanded. I have a three year old daughter. Is it an ideal circumstance? No. Necessity? That's a matter of opinion, but put yourself in that guy's situation with a loved one inside. 911? Sure. Wait for the 911 responders after you dial? Hell no. I've been put on hold on 911 for over 30 minutes during normal business hours!

AJM
September 7, 2009, 09:38 AM
I agree with fff. It's one thing to come home to your house that was empty when you left and now shows signs of having been broken into. I agree completely that you shouldn't attempt clearing it on your own. It's a whole other ballgame to come home to your house that you left your wife/family member in alone and come home to signs of a break-in.

DFW1911
September 7, 2009, 12:49 PM
fff/ajm:

I don't disagree at all giving the context you've outlined. You both raise very good points.

To me it's imperative to know what you'll do and discuss how you're going to handle this stuff before it happens: don't practice the game during the game. Have your game plan ready before you have to execute it.

Options are nice to have; knowledge is essential to have.

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