New Rifle, PTR-44


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panzer426
September 6, 2009, 10:24 PM
What do yall think?

http://www.ptr91.com/products.html

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camoman33935
September 6, 2009, 10:33 PM
ehh...not a new rifle just a newly manufactured, STG44 look-a-like...pretty neat though...

ammo is too expensive...would be better if it was 5.56 or 7.62x39...

and the price is probably gonna be outrageously high...but all in all it looks cool

PTK
September 6, 2009, 10:38 PM
Too bad those are ~$4000.

Maverick223
September 6, 2009, 10:50 PM
I think know that is the greatest rifle developed since the kentucky rifle...bout dang time they brought that classic "assault rifle" (lets keep it high road...but that is the name of the dang thing) back. The ammo will be the biggest drawback IMO, should have went with 7.62x39, 5.45x39, or the like (5.56 is probably too long for the magazine). :)

N003k
September 6, 2009, 11:36 PM
I want one...soooo badly.....

Quite a few of my guns are a symbolic flip off to the CT AWB....what better weapon to cap that off then a recreation of the ORIGINAL Assault Weapon? haha

rangerruck
September 7, 2009, 12:40 AM
I do like that wood stuff version of the stg, and really like the round, but I have never seen a commercial or milsurp 8mm short round before, and I doubt anyone would start making it in quantities.

N003k
September 7, 2009, 12:45 AM
A local shop actually has HAD two boxes of Prvi Partizan 7.92x33 sitting on their shelves for....months now I think. I'm guessing it's still in SOME production....

Going there friday, picking up both boxes and seeing if I can be put on a waiting list for one of these...haha.

Edit: Still listed as available on the Prvi Partizan website...Sporting&Hunting>Rifle Ammunition> 7.92 x 33 Kurz

panzer426
September 7, 2009, 01:03 AM
"ehh...not a new rifle just a newly manufactured, STG44 look-a-like...pretty neat though...

ammo is too expensive...would be better if it was 5.56 or 7.62x39..."

I know it's not a NEW rifle design, guess I should have been more clear but figured that would be obvious. As to the ammo, that was my thought as well. Those or 5.45.

Where did you get the $4,000 price tag PTK? PTR site says coming soon on msrp. I hope it's closer to the $2,000 range.

ChronoCube
September 7, 2009, 01:37 AM
Apparently it's made by these guys:
http://www.ssd-weapon.com/engl_web/produkte_en/bd44_en/bd44_en.htm

I've read about them but haven't heard of a US distributor until now!

Also, since AIM sells them for $10.25/box, less than .308/7.62x51, it's marginally cheaper to feed than the PTR-91.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/8mm_Kurz.html

PTK
September 7, 2009, 01:49 AM
Where did you get the $4,000 price tag PTK? PTR site says coming soon on msrp. I hope it's closer to the $2,000 range.

From the manufacturer. The price is what I was quoted on asking when I was interested in importing one. A company turning them out to original specs simply can't make them much cheaper, not at the low rate of production. Tooling up to produce lots of them inexpensively would be foolish - there simply isn't a market. :)

nwilliams
September 7, 2009, 02:38 AM
Love to have one!

$4k.....No thanks:barf:

I could buy three quality AR's for that much! Maybe if it was priced in the $1200-$1500 range I would consider one.

Maverick223
September 7, 2009, 02:44 AM
The price is ridiculous, but it is a connoisseurs rifle, so they probably won't sell tens of thousands of them...I'd buy one...but not for $4k. IF it even makes it to market I bet it won't last a year. :)

armoredman
September 7, 2009, 03:07 AM
Want...need winning lottery ticket NOW...

JHansenAK47
September 7, 2009, 04:43 PM
cool rifle. There are other better rifles so this is more of a niche market gun. I might buy one but that depends on what they are selling it at. Interesting that they got a scope mount on it. Smart move with the addition of the mount. I'm sure some purist won't like it.

W.E.G.
September 7, 2009, 04:55 PM
Anybody who would spend $4,000.00 for such a thing won't be complaining about ammo costs.

Rich toys for rich boys.
I hope one of my rich friends buys one for me to play with.

ISO: rich friend who like to let me shoot their guns - please send PM

Dr.Rob
September 7, 2009, 04:59 PM
For that price might as well have an Ohio Ordnance BAR

Evil Monkey
September 7, 2009, 06:50 PM
4 thousand for a freakin stamped steel and wood rifle. Are you serious?? They're selling collectability, quite obvious of course.

This is a rifle that was designed to be mass produced......and they sell it for 4k.

Maverick223
September 7, 2009, 07:09 PM
The tooling for a stamped rifle is generally more costly than that of a milled solid steel receiver. That said production rates are typically much higher thus reducing the cost in the long run. If they lowered the price, raised the production capability, and changed the chambering (say to 7.62x39) then we (crazed gun nuts) would buy more and they (PTR) would profit more. Sounds like a win-win...and the replacement for the AK. :neener:

N003k
September 7, 2009, 07:46 PM
Well I'm not exactly sure on the price, are we going on what it would cost for a single rifle to be sold to and imported to an American?

I may be wrong, but wouldn't it also be cheaper if say the recievers were manufactured here and part kits shipped from the original company for them all? Import fees and all....

I'll wait to see the announced price personally....

Maverick223
September 7, 2009, 07:53 PM
PTR is an American manufacturer owned by JLD so no importation fees, et cetera.

I stand corrected...after looking at the manufacturer's product page...it seems that "manufactured for for PTR 91 Inc, by Sport Systeme Dittrich in Germany[sic]"...so as of yet the details of the rifle are unknown. :)

TexasRifleman
September 7, 2009, 08:12 PM
it seems that "manufactured for for PTR 91 Inc, by Sport Systeme Dittrich in Germany[sic]"...so as of yet the details of the rifle are unknown.

SSD has been making these for a while now. Another US company tried to get funding to import some last year and it fell through.

It was going to be $3995 then too so that price is probably right on.

They make an MP-38 too.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=12608

Prince Yamato
September 8, 2009, 01:16 AM
These are already imported into Canada. Marstar had them last year for around $3000 US. Folks, it is what it is. It's the closest thing you can get to the STG-44 without buying the real thing. Like the real thing though, this one is made in Germany. Also, if you want this or something like it in .223, consider the HK93 being imported by century.

N003k
September 8, 2009, 01:30 AM
Pretty neat, I'd rather see a price tag around 1500-2000$ but...I can swing 3000$...

And I fully intend on doing so haha.

cchris
September 8, 2009, 02:49 AM
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=139460920

something like that in 5.56 seems more practical.

Maverick223
September 8, 2009, 03:17 AM
I agree that the caliber is a problem...just not that caliber (unless it will fit the original size magazine), and not that rifle...made by Special Weapons :barf:, looks like a HK-93 with the exception of select parts, made by SW, the price is still to high, and it's made by SW. :)

armoredman
September 8, 2009, 03:20 AM
Practical, sort of, lots of other 5.56mm rifles out there more practical and a LOT cheaper. But if that was the only way to get an MP44/STG44 clone, they would be close enough. The one offerred above for $4K is a LOT of money for a collectable, that's certain, but if that's what you want, as close to the original as you can without going over, ala Price Is Right, then that's the one for us.
As for Prvi Partisan making the ammo...hope that wasn't done at the factory that supposedly blew up...

Edit to add, if that one linked above is made by Special Weapons, keep it - I tried some of thier guns, and they are junk.

Maverick223
September 8, 2009, 03:24 AM
As for Prvi Partisan making the ammo...hope that wasn't done at the factory that supposedly blew up...Hadn't heard...that'll put a damper on things...but could (doubtful) be the push needed to seek other suitable calibers. :)

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