Rusty old gun (faint of heart may want to skip this one)


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joemommapoo
September 7, 2009, 08:16 PM
So, I was visiting my folks a few months ago and was cleaning some of my dads collection for him when I stumbled across his Remington rand 1911 a1. Here comes the sad part. Apparently it was exposed to moisture and has a very nice coat of rust on it. I tried oil and a steel wool, and spent more than 2 hours working on it too little avail. Is their some secret way to restore this piece of history without shelling out $2000 to professionally refinish?

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Oyeboten
September 7, 2009, 08:18 PM
Images?

NavyLCDR
September 7, 2009, 08:26 PM
You can try Wonder Blue. It has a cleaning gel that you heat on the gun that supposedly helps remove the rust. I know the bluing part of Wonder Blue is great!

Orlando
September 7, 2009, 08:32 PM
Stop dont do anything more! Post some pics. Refinising is the absolute last resort as that will drastically hurt the value as will removing whats left of the original finish with steel wool

SharpsDressedMan
September 7, 2009, 09:17 PM
I just love showing off my 1911. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05300.jpg

mesinge2
September 7, 2009, 09:24 PM
I've seen you post that pic before.

and still, wow.

Orlando
September 7, 2009, 09:26 PM
Whats the story behind it?

SharpsDressedMan
September 7, 2009, 11:04 PM
Only know it was dug out of a field in rural Tennessee. I like to think it was thrown from a moonshiners car being chased by the cops during prohibition........

c919
September 7, 2009, 11:49 PM
Toss that sucker in a bucket of diesel and let it sit for a while.....

Eightball
September 8, 2009, 12:19 AM
I'd say post a picture, so that we can see exactly what you're talking about; it'd be easier to give an idea as to what you can do.

Blue Brick
September 8, 2009, 12:23 AM
SharpsDressedMan, Do you fire that thing?

DAdams
September 8, 2009, 05:07 PM
Looks like cocked and locked for eternity.

smithmax
September 8, 2009, 07:13 PM
Kind of weird to think that there is probably a bullet rusted in there as well.

rondog
September 8, 2009, 07:52 PM
joemommapoo - please post some photos. It might be able to be saved by a simple electrolysis process that will kill and remove all the rust. It'll never be cherry, but it could possibly be made usable and presentable.

joemommapoo
September 8, 2009, 09:07 PM
I do not have a picture of the 1911 as it is at my father house 700 miles away. The rust is spotty.

Orlando
September 8, 2009, 09:14 PM
I would leave it alone then

onegun
September 8, 2009, 11:48 PM
are you using regular oil or a bore cleaner, and what size steel wool?

I just did this with a couple of guns and it works really well. I was using LSA military cleaner/oil and I rubbed the gun down with the LSA and let it soak for a little, then went in with thick steel wool-type scrubbing pad which can be found here http://www.frontiermetalcleaner.com/.

Be patient and it should come out.

AJAX22
September 9, 2009, 12:38 AM
Please sell me that rusty 1911.... It would go perfect with my collection...

I bet I can make it fire again..

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/IMG_0178.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/pix941506890.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/S5002378.jpg

PM sent....

remmy1911
September 9, 2009, 12:41 AM
Have a taste for rust, do ya?

Or the unique finish left behind from it.

AJAX22
September 9, 2009, 01:27 AM
Yep,

Mostly I like getting unique firearms that people don't believe will ever fire again and restoring them to functionality without getting rid of the ugly...

That mini 14 spent 10 years on the bottom of a lake.... it was rusted solid when I got it...

The 1991A1 was a recovered evidence gun (blood damage)

The uzi was in a housefire,

And the 870 was a barn find.

cyclopsshooter
September 9, 2009, 01:35 AM
was the fire hot enough to damage the heat treatment on the uzi?

customizedcreationz
September 9, 2009, 08:06 AM
Those are some crazy pictures !

Eightball
September 9, 2009, 07:28 PM
was the fire hot enough to damage the heat treatment on the uzi? This was my first thought, as well.

rondog
September 9, 2009, 07:43 PM
Has anybody here used the electrolysis rust removal method? I'm about ready to put my rig together for a bunch of enbloc clips and Jeep parts. It's a very simple process, with great results.

Here's a thread from the CMP forum by a guy that used this process to restore a badly rusted M1 Garand that was in a fire. Look at all his photos, the results are VERY impressive! And he just used plain water, without any electrolyte. The parts from his trigger group and rear sight just blow me away, how well they turned out. http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=72748&SearchTerms=electrolysis

Here, let me put up some of his photos, and tell me what you think.

In the beginning...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/rustyM103.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/rustyM102.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/rustyM106.jpg

After one session...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/rustyM111.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/rustyM112.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/rustyM113.jpg

After the final session, and remember he just used water. The process actually calls for Arm & Hammer Washing Soda, 1 tbs./gallon water.....

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/rustyM114.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/rustyM115.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/rustyM116.jpg

The process uses a 5 gallon bucket, 12v battery charger, some pieces of rebar, some wire, some water, and some washing soda. Do a Google search for "electrolysis rust removal".

joemommapoo
September 9, 2009, 08:23 PM
I am going to give the electrolysis method a shot. I am going back up for a visit in few months. I'll post before and after pics.

I did a Youtube search for electrolysis rust removal and found tons of good stuff, that combined with the information above should do the trick (or totally ruin a piece of history:uhoh:)

DAVIDSDIVAD
September 9, 2009, 09:01 PM
holy crap, that is the coolest thing ever, rondog

janobles14
September 9, 2009, 11:43 PM
i was going to recommed reverse electrolysis as well. i have used it many many times with great success. my favorite shotgun was actually a $15 salvage 870 that i restored with this process.

DAVIDSDIVAD
September 9, 2009, 11:54 PM
Holy moly, I've got to start finding all of these great deals I hear about.

twofifty
September 10, 2009, 01:09 AM
Iirc, the process is used to restore iron ship's cannon found in 18th Century wrecks. Something about removing the salt ions that permeate the iron.

cocojo
September 11, 2009, 06:30 PM
I have sand blasted a rust gun and it came out great.

theotherwaldo
September 11, 2009, 09:08 PM
Dang.

Now ya tell me. I just spent several hours removing the bird-blood rust (and a lot of bluing) from a set of Stevens 311 barrels that I just picked up.

Electrolysis, huh?

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