Isn't it a crime to threaten to murder someone?


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Kamicosmos
October 30, 2003, 11:23 AM
Say what you will about Britney Spears, and don't ask me why I was reading the article. ;)

But this quote is chilling:

Kendel Ehrlich, wife of Maryland’s governor, recently told an audience at a conference against domestic violence that she would shoot Spears if she had a gun. Many a mom in the audience applauded.

Here's the link to the article at MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/984647.asp

Just what exactly are they preaching at that Domestic Violence conference? Don't practice Domestic Violence, but instead commit random murders?

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jthuang
October 30, 2003, 11:27 AM
In some states, the relevant crime is making a "terroristic threat".

Definitions of that crime vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In one that I'm familiar with, saying "I'm gonna kill you" qualifies as a TT, but something more vague like "you'll be sorry" does not.

I agree that the quote is chilling to say the least.

The above is not legal advice, etc.

Daniel T
October 30, 2003, 11:28 AM
Just goes to show that the reason the grabbers are afraid of guns is they expect everyone to have the same lack of self-control that they do.

Not going to mention what I'D do to Britney Spears. :D

Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have given that Ruger MkII to my girlfriend... :p

son of a gun
October 30, 2003, 11:31 AM
I was watching Larry King (unfortunately, I didn't have the remote) and GW's mom was on said something similar to that about people who speak bad about her children. It was a joke and funny, I think to be a crime it has to be to there face and the prosecution has to prove intent.

synoptic
October 30, 2003, 11:58 AM
§ 22.07. Terroristic Threat

(a) A person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to:

(1) cause a reaction of any type to his threat by an official or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies;

(2) place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury;

OF
October 30, 2003, 12:13 PM
This instance was just a figure of speech. Poor choice of one to use in public, but it wasn't anything more than that.

- Gabe

Andrew Rothman
October 30, 2003, 12:15 PM
I think it is pretty clear that this dumb offhand remark was not a serious threat.

Stupid, politically damaging, and quite enlightening, but not a crime.

If you think otherwise, do a search on "Michael Moore" on this board. Are all of the sarcastic remarks about shooting him or "beating him with a cel phone in a sock" serious threats?

I think that the "reasonable person" standard applies.

moa
October 30, 2003, 01:14 PM
If you want to kill Michael Moore, lock him up in a room full of Twinkies.

Mark Tyson
October 30, 2003, 01:23 PM
If you want to kill Michael Moore, lock him up in a room full of Twinkies.

From his perspective killing him is almost as bad as letting him live.

Destructo6
October 30, 2003, 01:38 PM
I believe that you have to have a means (ie crowbar in hand & near victim) and/or plan for the threat to be criminal.

It was a poor choice of words.

hansolo
October 31, 2003, 12:38 AM
I think the poor adlebrained woman became distraught after watching Ms. Spears kiss Madonna:evil:

Prodigalshooter
October 31, 2003, 08:40 AM
It addled me too, umm, but not exactly my brain...:p

Matt G
October 31, 2003, 01:09 PM
A: B. Speers was not present.

B. Mrs. Ehrlich was not armed, and said "if."

C. There is reason to believe that she was attempting to speak humorously.

Thus, NOT a reasonable threat of murder, and NOT a legitemate "Terroristic Threat".... just a dumb statement.

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