The mighty Cross pen.


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Carl Levitian
September 11, 2009, 03:54 PM
In the mid 70's I had the chance to become a police officer for a while, untill a prior service injury made me realize I was not up to it and handed in my badge. I went through a very comprehensive training program run by The Colorado Law Enforcement Training Acadamy out of the Pueblo PD. Our chief training officer was a very street wise vetern cop named Ralph Smith. He oversaw all our training to make sure it was up to C.L.E.T.A. standards.

One of the training programs that really stuck in my mind was the unarmed 'somebody got the jump on ya' thing. For some reason, if you couldn't get your service weapon out, there was some nasty little things to do. One of them involved the Cross pen.

They taught us to love our Cross pen, and how it would stand up to being poked into some very vulnerable areas. Sgt. Smith, and the red headed Capt. Stuart, and a Sgt. named Tony that I can't quite recall his last name at the moment, all were very enthusiastic training personal, and exellent teachers.

Fast forward a year, and we're all out on the streets of Trinidad Colorado in our navy blue PD uniforms. Fellow officer Connor Britton, who went through Ralph Smiths training with me, was on patrol duty, when this guy blows a red light right in front of him. Lights on, he pulls him over, calling it in as he does so. Connor gets his drivers licence and car registration, politly dealing with the verbal abuse that the guy is dishing out. Connor warns him to be quiet, and watch his language. Back at the cruiser, Connor makes out the ticket, and starts walking back up to the offenders car when the guy gets out and runs at Connor and tackles him. It happened so fast, Connor never got a chance to draw his revolver or mace. Guy waited till connor was almost at his drivers door. Rolling around on the ground in a good old fashioned donnybrook, Connor somehow ends up with his Cross pen in his hand. He has no memory of how it got there, as he had a plain old Bic stick pen in his hand for the guy to sign the ticket with, and it and the ticket book went flying.

The guy is bigger than Connor, and he finds out stronger when the guy has his hand on Connor's revolver and is trying to yank it out of the holster. Connor stabs with the Cross, and it goes right through the throat. The guy starts gaging, coughing up blood, rolling around on the ground holding his throat with both hands. Back up gets there, and an ambulance, and idiot guy goes to ER to have the pen removed from his windpipe, and then off to jail. Guess he wanted to be charged with felony assault on a police officer rather than get a 50 dollar ticket. Near choked to death on his own blood. Connor said it was like stabbing through a cardboard tube surrounded by a thin layer of meat.

I haven't thought of that in years, but the recent posts about someone going to D.C. and worrying about being unarmed brought it to mind. I guess it's surprising on what it dosen't take to put the human body out of action. Maybe with a Cross pen, an AA minimag, and a stout walking stick, your not as helpless as you think.

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Cosmoline
September 11, 2009, 03:58 PM
I have to wonder if they're still making Cross pens that strong. They don't tend to use extra steel these days unless they absolutely have to.

theotherwaldo
September 11, 2009, 05:12 PM
-So get an old Cross pen. There's a lot of them out there.

I've still got the one that I found in the lawn of a central Alabama trade school back in '83. Used up a bunch of refills, but the mechanism still works fine.

glistam
September 11, 2009, 05:18 PM
Metal vs. Soft tissue. Metal's gonna win every time.

I had a few old-school Cross back was I still in college. Lasted my whole time there.
However, there are some good types out there, even freebies like this one:
http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq157/glistam/SunPen.jpg

It's hefty and all metal, no plastic. Friend gave it to me after a conference in DC. It was given out by Sun Microsystems. Who needs a kubotan or a "sharkie" if you can get something like this which is easily excusable?

Gryffydd
September 11, 2009, 05:39 PM
Shhhh. Now the TSA is going to ban all pens on flights :evil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ScNLt2zNc

glistam
September 11, 2009, 07:02 PM
Shhhh. Now the TSA is going to ban all pens on flights

That's an good point. I have heard that certain types of pocket screwdrivers were banned because the TSA reads forums and read a thread about how they could be used to subdue a hijacker. You heard that right: The forum was discussing how to take a hijacker down and save everyone, and TSA has such tunnel vision that all they saw was "screwdriver=weapon; must take sledgehammer approach to problem and BAN!"

Though in truth I would find it pretty darn hard to ban pens. God I long for the days of my youth when everyone could fly with pocket knives.

Gryffydd
September 11, 2009, 07:04 PM
God I long for the days of my youth when everyone could fly with pocket knives.
In July of 2001 I took a flight with this in my pocket
http://www.myshopkart.net/honorfirststore/images/_products/moteng/1611.jpg
I put it in the little bowl along with my keys and change and they glanced at it and handed it back to me.

22lr
September 11, 2009, 07:33 PM
Pens, the new evil weapon. I vote for a name change EBP (Evil Black Pen).

theotherwaldo
September 11, 2009, 08:32 PM
Nah, it's an Evil Silver Pen.

-But you knew that I would say that.

Dr.Rob
September 11, 2009, 08:50 PM
Shades of Grosse Pointe Blank.

Deltaboy
September 11, 2009, 10:52 PM
I was taught that by a FBI agent that grew up with my Dad when I was in HS. With duty gloves on you can slap that thing right into someone temple. Matter of fact in a street fight you will hurt your the palm of your hand but you can still do it. Plus just think of the eye, ear, nose and neck.

jaysouth
September 12, 2009, 01:13 AM
I know of an officer who found himself in the bearhug of a 300 pound street hoodlem. The officer got three inches of his chrome Cross pen up the guys nostril and wrenched the pen upward as hard as he could.

Bad guy ceased and desisted and rode to the prison hospital ward in bellyband and legirons.

In July, my son in law graduated #1 in his police academy class. Among other things I gave him a chrome Cross pen and pencil set for daily wear on his uniform and a gold set to wear when he got promoted to a gold badge and trimming.

Tear ducts and carotoid notches are good targets for ordinary pens and pencils.

TimboKhan
September 12, 2009, 02:00 AM
Well, no doubt the pen can be used as a weapon. I personally carry a Zebra F-701 because of the steel construction and because they cost 5 bucks at walmart. Plus, they are a little beefier than the Cross pens, which I like. While cool, my version of common sense dictates that I won't be ever be paying 75 or 80 or 100 bucks for a specifically branded "Tactical" pen.

Carl, you might find it interesting to hear that when I was in Somalia, I had the opportunity to spend some time with the first President Bush's Secret Service advance team. Among the other things they shared with us was how to go to war and completely destroy someone with a pen. I have said it before and I will say it again: Those were some spooky dudes.

theotherwaldo
September 12, 2009, 03:16 AM
I'll say it again: There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous men.

Admittedly, a weapon may make a harmless and hapless mess like myself a tiny bit more dangerous - though likely, only to myself.

conwict
September 12, 2009, 04:38 AM
your vignettes are always enjoyable Carl! Check out the Zebra F-701. I carry one everywhere.

Deltaboy
September 12, 2009, 11:10 AM
The Zebra is one bad little ink pen I have one one me at work daily and the cross are for the weekends and church.

Speedo66
September 12, 2009, 11:23 AM
Was it the movie "Las Vegas" where Joe Pesci does a guy at the bar with his pen?

Dimis
September 12, 2009, 04:04 PM
+1 for the zebra 701 i too carry one

its funny i went looking for a pen to carry because i needed to write things down alot and ended up with yet another defencive itm lol... go figure

22-rimfire
September 12, 2009, 04:20 PM
I carry metal Parker pens. I only by Cross pens for gifts. Parker's are the best ball point pen made today under $10.

Bare hands can be formidable weapons also if you know what you're doing. All you need to do is talk to Special Forces and Navy Seals.

kdstrick
September 12, 2009, 04:43 PM
The Zebra goes with me daily... in planes too. ;)

Deltaboy
September 12, 2009, 07:15 PM
Amen

cleardiddion
September 12, 2009, 08:29 PM
Never really thought about using a pen in that manner.
Hrm, maybe now I can think of my EDC fountain pen as pulling double duty

Todd A
September 12, 2009, 10:28 PM
I carry metal Parker pens

Ditto.... A stainless Parker Jotter.

Great pen.

wrs840
September 12, 2009, 10:38 PM
http://www.policehq.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Catalog=Knives%20and%20Tools&Category=KNIV_SMITH&Prod=SW-SWPEN

Les

Isaac's Grandpa
September 12, 2009, 11:31 PM
This will work. Not plane friendly. A good jab in any soft spot works wonders.

Boom-stick
September 15, 2009, 07:39 AM
Shades of Grosse Pointe Blank.
One of my Favorite Films:D


Was it the movie "Las Vegas" where Joe Pesci does a guy at the bar with his pen?

Casino ;)

p35
September 19, 2009, 02:08 PM
Check out the Rotring 600. Now that's a serious chunk of metal. Uses Parker refills.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROTRING-OLD-600-BLACK-KNURLED-BALLPOINT-PEN-NEW-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ140346249739QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20ad49d20b&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262

Surprised at the asking price- I bought mine at Fahrney's in DC for under $20 in about 1992.

Black Toe Knives
September 19, 2009, 04:32 PM
The Pen is mightier than the Sword.

lgbloader
September 21, 2009, 02:15 AM
What size caliber pen do you suppose would be enough to cleanly kill a deer...

Beelzy
September 21, 2009, 12:20 PM
Well darn....now everyone knows the reason Cross is still in business.

Made with Pride in America too!

Deltaboy
November 3, 2009, 12:07 AM
Love my Cross pens they just Work!

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