[Hawkeye748]

Ruger is Still making NEW ROA.

PResident of Ruger is in town for a promotion at a local store. Said although no longer listed in the catalogue, they are still making the gun. Roughly 85 frames left in the factory and a few completed guns. Several guns still in the hands of distributors. Said if you find a dealer that buys direct from Ruger or one of the bigger distributors they can get a new gun for you WHILE SUPPLIES OF FRAMES LAST.

Since I had read on here several times that they were no longer made, I figured I would let you know the cupboard is not completely bare.:)

[4v50 Gary]

Discontinued but pushing the last ones out the door. It does give hope to aspiring owners of that fine revolver.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Oh, I'm gonna rush right out and buy a couple...

[Ratdog68]

Oh, I'm gonna rush right out and buy a couple...
Trade in yer Walkers too, huh? :D

[Das Jaeger]

it didn't take this Pollock Indian to figure out real fast your not an effciando of the Ruger :D
While they are brutes , extremly accurate , they lack any character whatsoever . IMHO of Course :barf::barf::barf:hack hack , cough cough .
They are fine guns , just not fine with me . :D
You coudln't give me one and have me keep it is my point . Fine guns though , just not for me .

Jaeger

[pohill]

I was not a fan of the Ruger Old Army...until I got one. I believe it is the best black powder revolver made since the 1870s. Dependable, accurate as heck, well balanced, exceptionally well made, nice to look at...
Of course, that is my opinion.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/Colt016.jpg

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Das Jaeger, your stock is in severe danger of falling all the way down to ground zero, but I am willing to accept the fact that you may be slightly uneducated.
Take this test.
Take the 2 revolvers. Load each one to full powder load. (you know which 2 I'm talking about) Measure off 100 meters from a target. (yards will work just fine) Fire one cylinder out of each revolver at the target. Then do the same thing at 200 yards. Then do the same thing at 300 yards.
Then come back and talk to me. (if you're not too ashamed and embarrassed)
Have I ever done it? Yes indeed, and more than once. Won $1000.00 on the deal but only collected $175.00. He died of a heart attack and I was too nice to dunn his widow for the remainder....

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

I was speaking of the very Beautiful and Glorious and Positively SPLENDID '47 and the ol' aaAAAGGGGHH!!RrrrOh Aaaa! God, couldn't even hardly force myself to type the letters. The Walker won hands down. It wasn't even a contest. That's the truth. The other one started losing it at about 95 yards the best we could figure. Well hell, I can take most any '58 straight out of the box and it will do that damn good. Near abouts anyway.
I'vd got a few Pietta 1858 New Model Armies in .44 here. Had lot's and lot's of work done on each one and none of it was about engraving.
Rather try to pay for a new pickup truck than pay all over for those '58's. Thought I'd never get out of debt with the 'smith. I made monthly payments to him for several years counting the 3 little .44 Cattleman's. I wouldn't speak bad of your '58 ol' hoss....PS Wouldn't really down a man for what he buckle's on anyway. A man can carry what he want's to..I do....

[pohill]

I think I missed the stock market/kindergarten/jelly bean references somewhere, but, anyhoo...Not sure if I'm the net or the ball.
The Remington is a fine weapon. Buffalo Bill's choice. I've had several, always traded them away or sold them. The ROA is mechanically superior to any other modern BP gun. The larger diameter chamber makes for easy cold weather loading. The gun never jams - never. Loading levers don't fall. I could go on but what's the point? Variety is the spice of life.

Now I get it.

[arcticap]

I always thought they were nuttin but a Blackhawk based Frame assembly anyways , so what is so special about having 85 Blackhawk frames available ? Do they mill them differently ?
Anyone know anything about that ?

The Ruger Old Army frame is based on the older 1962-63 Ruger frame which was also used to build the old Ruger Single Six, Super Single Six, Blackhawk & Hawkeye. That frame was discontinued about 1972-73 except for being used to make the ROA. It was made from black anodized aluminum alloy until about 1985 when it was replaced with steel.
But that frame began being made from stainless steel and given a wider trigger slot back in 1975 until the ROA was just recently discontinued.
So the ROA is based on the old Blackhawk model frame from before it was redesigned to accommodate the new Ruger trigger spring and transfer safety bar. While the current Blackhawk has the New Model Blackhawk frame.

http://www.gunblast.com/Hamm_Ruger-SA-GripFrames.htm

[Olmontanaboy]

While they are brutes , extremly accurate , they lack any character whatsoever . IMHO of Course hack hack , cough cough .
They are fine guns , just not fine with me .
You coudln't give me one and have me keep it is my point . Fine guns though , just not for me .
LOL, tell us how you really feel:D I like em just fine, beauty is in the eye of the beholder:) I've got a nice new Uberti Walker I'm thinkin about swapin for an ugly Old Army LOL:)

[mykeal]

The Ruger Old Army is the only, repeat ONLY, production percussion revolver that has the chamber diameters matched to the groove diameter out of the box from the factory.

300 yards with a round ball. That's the only time I've heard of that being done. Everyone else says they only get 100 yards of decent accuracy with them, even out of a 42" rifle barrel with 100 gr of powder. Amazing feat. The Walker is such an amazing weapon it suspends the laws of physics. I wonder why neither of my two Walkers (nor any of my rifles) will do that - must be thicker air around here, or something like that.

Final observation: those who don't own ROA's seem to need to deride those who do, but the opposite does not appear to be the case. Hmm.

[madcratebuilder]

The Ruger Old Army is the only, repeat ONLY, production percussion revolver that has the chamber diameters matched to the groove diameter out of the box from the factory.

One exception, the Pietta 'shooters model'.

must be thicker air around here, or something like that.

I have the same thick air here. Maybe the op meant 30, not 300.

[pohill]

I gotta add that though the ROA is a superior modern BP revolver, the Colt 1851 .36 is, in my opinion, a work of art. As is the 1860 .44, the 1861 .36...

[Old Fuff]

Few people know it, and even fewer care, but the Old Army was the last to be made that didn't have the transfer bar safety system. For many years knowledgeable owners of first-generation Blackhawk revolvers who didn't want a factory modification kept their revolvers running using O.A. lockwork and grip frames.

Bill Ruger did not intend that his revolver duplicate something made during the 19th century. It was intended to be a 20th century gun for 20th century shooters who liked black powder. For this it did very well. If it had been available "back when," it might have put Colt and Remington out of business... :uhoh:

The Old Fuff, who likes cap & ball revolvers - new and old - will now run and take cover... :neener: :D

[pohill]

I'm thinking that the ROA might not have been popular back in the day due to a teeney weeney spring or two (and the loading lever set up) that, if they had been lost during a field stripping, would have ruined the shooter's day.
Then again, the ROAs tend to handle fouling better so maybe stripping and cleaning wouldn't have been a big issue.
The Colts and Remingtons are (were) simple and durable. On a shooting range the ROA shines, but again, those teeney weeney springs...

[messerist]

Say what you will about accuracy but I witnessed a remarkable shot fired by a feller with a Walker. The gentleman is a co-worker of mine and we were at his farm shooting our BP firearms when he took out his Walker, aimed at a 3'x3' chunk of foam floating in his pond 300 yds away and fired. The first shot hit next to the foam chunk. The next five hit the foam. Like I said, remarkable.

[Marlin 45 carbine]

I really like my ROA, it's my companion on nearly every camping trip I take,
I load a .32acp caseful of 4F then the rest 3F then a Lee mold slug atop a felt- has considerable 'whack' to it.

[Old Fuff]

On a shooting range the ROA shines, but again, those teeney weeney springs...

Remember that the Old Army is based on Ruger's original design. All of the flat springs in the 19th century revolvers were replaced with music wire coil ones. The only "teeney weeney" one that isn't held in the grip frame is the hand spring - and a substitute can be found at most hardware stores.

If our 19th century shooter had a small kit of spare parts that included a hand, bolt and trigger springs (all coil, and not requiring fitting) they'd be pretty safe, and as most of today's shooters know, the older style hand and bolt/trigger springs are what break most often. This was a greater problem and worry for 19th century users then the possibility of parts getting lost.

[Ratdog68]

Now, I still want to add an ROA to my stack of toys. Been eyeballin' one in SS for a few months now. It doesn't appear to be moving at the asking price. I'm patient.

I don't have a favorite yet, but, my paws sure like the feel of the Remmies.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Mr. MyKeal, I'vd always had lot's of respect for your knowledge, but it is plain to me now that although you can quote ball sizes and diameters of this and that and cough up stuff you'vd read about when such and such a firearm was built and so forth, your shooting experience with a Walker is extremely limited or else you just don't to own up to the truth. The Walker done it. I saw it. We were firing at military Able Dog targets and the Walker (and the roa) were locked into rests. The targets had bullseyes that were 6 feet accross. The roa couldn't find any of the paper at 200 yards. The Walker found the bullseye 5 times out of 6 times at 200 yards. The roa didn't even fire at the 300 yard line. We figured it was a waste of time. The Walker found the bullseye twice at 300 yards, (abeit not the center of the bullseye) and hit paper 3 times and missed completely one time (we think) at the 300 yard line.
Ya'll don't know what good even means. If they are locked into a good solid rest and the powder is carefully weighed and measured out and the wind isn't blowing my '58's will rag holes a lot further than you want to hear about, believe me. But the '58's still won't hold up with the Walker and those '58's have been worked on 'til hell wouldn't have it.
Please remind me to never never never place any value on anything you say on here anymore.
Somebody make sure Mr. Mykeal read's this. Thank you..

[Ginormous]

Somebody needs a timeout and a nap. :what:

[pohill]

This is my club's 200 yd range. The next one over is 100 yds but can be extended out to 300 yds.
Anyways, I did try the ROA and the Walker at 200 yds. I used an oversized target but I got worn out walking back and forth checking it (I didn't have a spotting scope). From my experiment, I'd say both guns hit and missed about the same. I tried this test because I read that, according to an Army report on the Walker's testing, it was as accurate (or more so) as a musket at 200 yds.
After walking down to check the target for the 10th or so time, it hit me that I was wasting my time. Good exercise but a waste of time. No one would use a handgun of any kind at 200 or more yds.
At 100 yds I can hit or almost hit a milk jug with the ROA or the Walker. That's good enough for me.


http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/IMG_0227-1.jpg

[Ratdog68]

That be a fine place to shoot. A feller can feel more and more relaxed just lookin' down range. :cool:

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Ginormous, yeah, you're right. I cleaned the post up a little. Don't want to dis-respect good people. (There's some good ones on here) People have a right to believe what they want to and I have a right to know what I know.
The sun dosen't rise and set on a damned ol' Walker or any gun. Hell, they're just damned ol' guns. I could live my life and never touch one again. Might miss them a little but I'd get by. The one thing people still don't understand. I'm not talking bad about the Ruger. I just don't want one because I don't like them at all. Hell, that dosen't mean other people don't like them. I respect that. Me personally, I just think that as strong and heavy and well built as the Ruger is the damn thing ought to be able to blow a man's leg off consistently at a good quarter of a mile. I remember when they hit the market in a big way. Didn't mean that much to me because everything Ruger (Sturm and Ruger) ever made hit the market in a big way. But I don't get on this site and start telling lies. Never was much on telling lies and never was much for standing still while somebody called me one. I learned years ago that people don't call that Walker the 'Pocket Rifle' for nothing and I'm like Pontius Pilate. "What I have written I have written."
Those are some nice scooters pictured here.
Have a good day Ginormous....

[Olmontanaboy]

That be a fine place to shoot. A feller can feel more and more relaxed just lookin' down range.
and waitin fer some Yanks to pass by:D

[Olmontanaboy]

In retaliation of pic's of all those oil leakers, here's a real bike.
Well, just speaking for myself, I like just about all bikes, if it's got 2 or 3 wheels and a motor I Like it. Nice ride!!!

[mykeal]

GotC - didn't mean any disrespect, but in my own considerable experience with round balls, I can't get them to shoot with any accuracy (meaning a 3 foot circle) at 300 yards from ANY platform, including cannons and mortars. And that includes either of my two Walkers. I can put enough powder behind a round ball in several platforms to get the ball to at least 300 yards, but after about 100 yards, and certainly in every case after 150 yards, where they're going is random chance. So, in my experience, well, it's just a bit hard to believe. Sorry, but honest.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Didn't say anything about a 3 foot circle at 300 yards. I said a bulls eye that is 6 feet accross at 300 yards. I may be getting a little older but I'm not senile and the best I remember there is considerable difference between a 3 foot circle and a big assed bulls eye that is 6 feet accross. The Walker was locked into a rest and the load was .457 swaged round lead balls, between 58 and 60 (don't remember for sure) grains of Black Mag 3 and was kicked off with Remington #11's. You are acting like you think we were shooting at a 6 inch pop-up combat target or something.
I don't do it any more but in years gone by I have used the Walker at 200 yards many is the time, shooting at a 55 gallon drum filled with dirt. Of course I would be braced up real good and sometimes I would miss, but I can swear that when I missed it was my fault and not the Walker's. I don't know what you're doing wrong. Maybe the rifling (lands and grooves) is at fault. Maybe you have the wrong kind of powder. Maybe you're firing the wrong sized ball. I don't know but I know that what I have typed is the truth. It would take a damned fool to stand out there at 200 yards and let someone take a shot at him with a hot loaded Walker because 200 yards ain't nothing for a stepper like the Walker. I'll grant you that it was scattering a bit at 300 yards, but it still got there with no problem. (Lot of elevation calibrated into the rest, that goes without question) I had always meant to repeat that test we done and use Triple Seven 3fff but I just never got around to it. Dosen't matter any more. My Walker and '58 shots are usually from around 30 to maybe 60 yards at the most. My .44 Cattleman's I might brace up and use out to about 80 yards. (I'vd got a good 'Aimpoint' clipped onto one of them) Anything further than that I usually get one of my .45 inlines for the job. I'vd got to where my Colt .31 Pocket is my favorite just knock around with piece....

[JamesKelly]

Difference between ROA & Uberti, Pietta is the ROA is an actual, real gun. When I draw back the hammer on mine the cylinder rotates & locks with a chamber in line with the bore. When I pull the trigger and slowly release the hammer it goes down smoothly.

I like the styling & general operation of the Colt. Mainly I like old guns, Remington is OK too. I have a very modest collection of antique guns, and six modern cartridge SA revolvers.

Began when i was 16 plinking with a Whitney. Graduated in my late 20's to an orignal 1860 Army, still just plinking. Brilliantly decided to sell both. After some four decades thought I'd get back into percussion revolvers. ROA just a little too large for my hands.

Got a 2nd hand Uberti 1860, NIB. Shot a few times, then cylinder would not rotate. Thought maybe I'd not properly seated the balls. Nope. Disassembled this fine weapon & found interesting burrs on each ratchet. Removed. Won't know until next week whether that worked.

Got a new Spiller & Burr, which seems well loved in this forum. Fits my tiny hands--yea! But when I cocked it the cylinder would not, just would not revolve enough for the bolt to drop in the locking slot. Unless I helped it by hand. Sent back to Traditions. Both Jasons were very helpful, explained to me that I was not drawing the hammer back far enough. Funny, never had that problem with seven other single action revolvers, but what the hell, they should know their business. Got that fantastic piece of work back today. Same thing. Hmmm . . . how come it worked for them? Aha! When I cock it quickly, as is my wont, it will not lock up. No matter how hard & far I draw back the hammer. But if I cock it s-l-o-w-l-y & deliberately it does lock up. Must be great for the Cowboy Action types.

Bought a Cimarron 1860 Army in hopes of better quality. Das Jaeger hee hee suggested I was in for disappointment. Of course not, there was a lovely Cimarron sticker on the box & lots of pretty Cimarron literature inside. Removed cylinder. This one had only tiny burrs on the ratchet. But the hand looks like something a six-year old made. If Cimarron has their guns checked out by a "gunsmith" it surely isn't one with sufficient skill to even tie his own shoes.

I like SA percussion revolvers. I am not fond of the Ruger style, much prefer something reasonably authentic. But the Ruger Old Army is a real gun, not a cheap kit that will require $$$$ of some gunsmith's time to make it work.

I'll keep trying. My Uberti Uberti is my learn-to-fixit gun on which I hope to make all my mistakes. If I get it working next thing is to get the internals of my wonderful Cimarron to better resemble a those of a revolver.

My last hope is 2nd and/or 3rd generation Colts. Have a couple, thought I'd re-learn percussion revolvers before damaging their "collector's" value. Like I care. ??Tell me they are better?????

Everyone on this site seems to love their Italian wonders, so I guess there is hope, even for me. But I can tell you right now I am not nearly as impressed with Italian guns as the tone of this note might imply.

[Das Jaeger]

Static

[JamesKelly]

Well, I knew someone was going to take exception to what I wrote, but I thought it was from my carelessly denigrating all Italian guns.
An inappropriate generalization.
I got out my Uberti/Berreta Stampede & looked it over. Probably haven't shot more than a box or two of .45LC's through it, but never had any problem. Looked over the cylinder ratchet. Nicely machined, no burs. The hand is neatly made, as good as or perhaps even better than an original USA Colt. Does not begin to resemble what is on my Uberti 1860 Army guns. Same for the hammer, cylinder, whatever.
I think it boils down to demand. Most SAA demand is for cartridge Cowboy Action guns. That is fairly obvious from the Cimarron catalog alone. Such a gun is the Ubeti/Berreta Stampede, and that one is very well made. The the mass market for percussion revolvers appears to be more interested in the lowest price, not in quality.
I am willing to pay an appropriate price for a decent percussion revolver, if I can find one. My 2nd & 3rd Generation Colts started out life, or so I have read, at Uberti's factory, finished presumably in the USA. So I shall make my mistakes with the current UbertiUberti guns before I fire up a $700-800 (current prices) "Colt"
I do expect a new revolver to work. Perhaps I am alone in this, but I think that is a reasonable expectation.
Since two new Italian percussion guns I now have do not work, I think some bitching is in order.
As my one Uberti cartridge SA works beautifully, I am inclined to suspect the large and obvious difference in quality is a business decision.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Das Jaeger, I'll see that bet Ol' Hoss and raise you this here loading lever for the Uberti Walker I happen to have extra against 4 boxes of .323 balls! I'm calling!!
Whaaaat?!! Aces and 8's? You call that a lucky hand?! Didn't do him any good and you're a dead man to Ol' Son! Check out these here 4 cowboys!!!!....

[Ratdog68]

Das Jaeger, I'll see that bet Ol' Hoss and raise you this here loading lever for the Uberti Walker I happen to have extra against 4 boxes of .323 balls! I'm calling!!
Whaaaat?!! Aces and 8's? You call that a lucky hand?! Didn't do him any good and you're a dead man to Ol' Son! Check out these here 4 cowboys!!!!....
Uhhhhh? Were you gonna post up some pix to go with that post?

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Now hold on here jest a cotton picking moment!! (Oh, I'm from Alabama and my hero John Wesley Hardin is from Texas and both of us picked a lot of cotton when we were chil'lun) Ya'll put that there lever right back on this table. YOU, Mr. ratdog or ratlover or wharever yore handle is, you keep that right hand of yourn's still!!!....Yeah, if I ever find my USB cable that connect's my camera to the computer, or remember to buy one from Wal-Mart if they've got one that'll fit, or order one from Hewlett Packard, or just find my password into Photobucket! I still owe a picture of the 1st Model...Damn, I hope that ol' boy is doing okay....

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Das Jaeger I do believe you ended up in this room by setting Mr. ***** in his rightful place. Don't you agree that he'd really just rather have a Ruger .44Mag Red Hawk?....

[Ratdog68]

Gentleman of the Charcoal that you are fond of our cracked wayz , becauze you aint far from the tree that dropped us on our heads too . :D
Plus none of us takes any crap , yee haaa , we'z Pees of a simular Pod .

Your alright too , hell your from BAMA , you is close to Perfect just from that , just make sure you keep remindin folks of that so they don'ts forgets .

Das Jaeger :D
Brothers from different mothers. :D

[MCgunner]

Bill Ruger did not intend that his revolver duplicate something made during the 19th century. It was intended to be a 20th century gun for 20th century shooters who liked black powder. For this it did very well. If it had been available "back when," it might have put Colt and Remington out of business...

Exactly. And, if anyone hates their ROA, I can use more. Just send 'em to me.

I got my first ROA because after fiddle farting around with a cheap POS navy replica, I wanted the best possible cap and ball I could buy. And, that's what I got. No, it ain't a replica of anything. I was born in 1952, don't really have any reverence for the Navy Colt other than a historical relic.

Now, I may get a better quality replica of something in the future, but I have my shooter, for sure. :D With me, cap and ball are fun guns, but I'll always fall for an accurate shooter regardless. So far, I have a ROA and a pocket .31 Rem brasser for fun. I have cartridge guns for real world use.

[Das Jaeger]

You and JamesKelly should get along well here ,thanks for sharing your REAL WORLD thoughts and bashing cap ball revolvers and us futher, appreciate that . Oh and by the way cartridge guns are just a passing phaze , you'll grow out of it and come back to REAL WORLD MEN GUNS someday . :D

Jaeger .

[Smokin_Gun]

don't really have any reverence for the Navy Colt other than a historical relic.


Blastfamy(how do you spell that word?) I have two ROAs and they are a replica of somethin'...mostly the same an 1861 Old Army Remington...with some steroids and weight added.

[Ginormous]

Blasphemy is spelled s -a -c - r - i - l - e -d - g - e. Also abbreviated frequently to "bah". :D

[Ratdog68]

Blasphemy is spelled s -a -c - r - i - l - e -d - g - e. Also abbreviated frequently to "bah". :D
Ohhhh... never mind. :D

[MCgunner]

Hey, I've been shootin' cap and ball for 35 years, a Hawken for 15, but I carry a 9mm daily. I don't have a friggin' death wish and the 9 is more compact than my .31, so lighten up, already. :D

[Das Jaeger]

the Roar of a Walker that's even better :D , ok , or a Ruger AO :D

Jaeger

[MCgunner]

Had a couple of 1911s, worthless POSs, wouldn't feed anything, but ball and didn't fit in my pocket. I prefer reliable guns and in a pocket for carry. My .45 is a reliable gun that will feed anything. Not surprisingly, the name on the slide reads "Ruger".

Which brings up the OP topic, the ROA. Caps don't fall down in the hammer and block it or jam the cylinder, the cylinder doesn't gum up and stop after 40 rounds at the range, things that Navy Colt used to do. And, well, I can hit a target with it tacked to the side of a barn 100 yards away. I couldn't hit the side of that barn at 25 yards with that Navy Colt, boom or no boom. :rolleyes: Which one do I like better? My GAWD, man, it's a no brainer. I'm a sucker for quality, reliability, and accuracy, even if the gun's just a range toy. Besides, ***, the sight carved into the top of the hammer and a bead on the barrel? I mean, I know they didn't have Novak sights back then, but get real!

All that rant only applies if you want a gun to shoot. If it's just a wall hanger, well, I guess that replica spaghetti gun LOOKS the part. :rolleyes: I shall miss the ROA production, but I do have one of my own and it'll last me the rest of my days and probably my grandkid's if they learn how to clean it after they shoot it.

[Das Jaeger]

My PC started smoking when I loaded this pciture, it don't like the Ruger OA either , but this is good picture from Chuck Hawks for peopel that does .

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/Mvc-007f.jpg


Nuff said :D

Jaeger

[MCgunner]

Hey, mine's almost like that. :D I guess the BP model would be more appropriate for this forum, eh?

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=54137&d=1172713704

I like the scrimshaw on that .45's ivory. My sanbar stags are kinda dull, I guess. They're on my ROA's .45 Caliber brother. This .45 is the real deal, though, no pop gun. :neener:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=67780&d=1195835503

[Das Jaeger]

I lay money I can put a bigger one ragged hole in the Bullseye with my Remington Pocket Pistol better than any Ruger OA can at 25 feet . Any takers on this bet ?

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0244.jpg

If I throw the Remington at the target it puts a nice hole in the bullseye . :D
And I know you can't throw that huge peice of scrap iron of the Ruger that far , I win . :D

Jaeger

[Ginormous]

My mind went south forever on those. I had one for a while in .444 Marlin.

Decided I'd rather be on the receiving end rather than the shooting end of that one.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Hate to be the one to throw a tilted loop and I ain't no Hardin but I learned years ago that with a wheel gun if someone learns how to shoot they don't need any sights. When that revolver slide's out and lock's back to full battery at the hip one is supposed to know where the piece is pointed and where the ball will go. Forget about the sights. Keep the gun at your hip and look at the target.
That's not what I jumped on here about. I decided to check put this spray can of 'gun cleaner' I received in the mail. They said it would clean and lubricate the firearm without dis-assembly. I was very doubtful. I fired my .31 out the door 10 times and folded back the grips although the directions explained that it wouldn't harm wood or plastic. I sprayed it pretty good and laid it on the table while I smoked a cigarette. Then I stripped it down and By God it was clean. I thought one of the nipples was stopped up with powder residue but it was just a drop of moisture from the spraying. I still wiped it down good and oiled it but I was glad to find out about that....
Afternoon Das Jaeger....
Afternoon Mr. Ratdog....

[MCgunner]

My mind went south forever on those. I had one for a while in .444 Marlin.

Decided I'd rather be on the receiving end rather than the shooting end of that one.

Mine isn't bad at all. It's got a factory compensator on it, the "hunter" barrel. BUT, if you're hunting out of a box blind, you'd better keep your hearing protection handy. It's taken five deer now, several were DRT, one at 90 yards, my longest.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Okay...Had to go dig out the catalog so I could give you the complete information.
The main company name is 'AVW Inc.' Their phone number is 1-800-655-1675..
They make all sort's of products, most of which I am familiar with. Super penetrant, super lubricant, electronics cleaner, furniture polish, odor eliminator, white lithium grease, glass cleaner, blow off dusters, just all sort's of stuff. The stuff I have just mentioned here is very good stuff which I have used for years, and I KNOW it work's good.
Now, they sell 'gun cleaner', 'gun wash', and 'gun duster'. I have such a good stockpile that I haven't ordered anything for over a year. They sent me a can of the gun cleaner because they know I belong to the NRA and the North American Hunting Club, and they wanted to remind me that they're still alive. They sell real good products. I always ordered by the case. (12 cans to the case) You can mix the case up any way you like. (couple cans of this, couple cans of that, etc)
Now, you may not like any of it but I have found it to be very high quality and the people are nice to work with. They have always shipped to me by UPS. I don't know if there's a choice. This is the first time I'vd ever used any of their gun care products although I have several cans put away here. I know they make some of the absolute finest silicone sprays I have ever used.
Well anyway, you might want to call them and have a little talk. Most of the gun care products I actually use come from Cabela's. I'vd got those stockpiled to and they have always worked real good....PS..I haven't yet used any of the 'gun wash' or 'gun duster'....

[madcratebuilder]

Ruger Vs. Remington PP
I lay money I can put a bigger one ragged hole in the Bullseye with my Remington Pocket Pistol better than any Ruger OA can at 25 feet . Any takers on this bet ?


anytime, but lets shoot for smaller hole.

[JamesKelly]

Just learning how to shoot my ROA. Flung thirty-six pieces of lead randomly into the woods Tuesday. On paper my best 6-shot group, 25 yds one hand, was 3". Will not discuss the worst.
And the damn thing went boom every time. One cap tried to clog the works but it gave that up with just a little urging. My, are those shreds of copper h-o-t when they land on your hand.
Now to work on the rather too-thick custom grips.

[MCgunner]

Mine'll put 'em into under 2" at 25 off a rest. But, off hand, especially one handed, 3 inches, that's some danged good shootin'! If I match that, it's by accident. LOL!

[andrewstorm]

how can i get another one,in the box.

[Riot Earp]

Wow, this thread really went downhill.

As for the 2009 ROAs, I bought one on gunbroker, and it is SWEET. The guy I bought it from has another one for sale but still shows the pictures of my gun.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=148271850

I am having the rammer case hardened by Turnbull, since it gets a lot of abuse.