Would you take muzzle loader pellets back?


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hometheaterman
September 15, 2009, 02:20 PM
I've read the thread where the guy bought ammo at Wal-Mart and they wouldn't take it back. I'm pretty sure this is standard policy as it has been everywhere I've been. I wouldn't want a store I shopped at to take ammo back and if they did I probably wouldn't buy from them.

Never bothered me and I always just bought what I wantend.

Anyway, I bought some Tripple 7 pellets yesterday from a local gun shop in the 100 pack. The big black box of them. It's tightly sealed with a piece of plastic that is a few inches wide and goes around the whole thing. You can in no way get this off without cutting it as it's tight. So you can tell I haven't opened them since this is still perfectly intact.

Well, I realized I want Pyrodex pellets instead of Tripple 7. I realize they don't have to take them back and may not and I'm fine with that however I thought about calling to see if they would let me exchange them for the Pyrodex ones since they are still sealed. Is this a ok thing to ask?

I don't want to waste their time by calling them to ask if it's not something reasonable to ask. So what's your opinions? Should I call and ask if they will or should I not waste their time and just keep them and eat the cost?

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highorder
September 15, 2009, 02:35 PM
You can always ask, and they may take them back.

ezypikns
September 15, 2009, 02:35 PM
the Triple 7 back?

In my experience it burns a lot cleaner than Pyrodex.

longbeard48
September 15, 2009, 02:36 PM
It is part of their job to answer the phone. I would call them. I would also be a little ticked off if they wouldn't swap brands. Ammo is not sealed, but the Triple 7 is.
Good luck

351 WINCHESTER
September 15, 2009, 02:43 PM
Keep the 777. It's much cleaner burning, gives higher velocity and much less corrosove than pyrodex.

hometheaterman
September 15, 2009, 02:56 PM
Well, that's why I originally got it however, after talking to some other guys on a bp forum that are knowing for having great reputations when it comes to knowing about muzzle loaders have said that they tried both Tripple 7 as well as Pyrodex pellets in their Remington Genesis which is what I have and the Pyrodex shot smaller groups. That's why I was wanting to swap it out. When I sighted it in using some old Tripple 7 pellets I had I shot 2 shots that were touching at 100 yards then moved the scope to the left and the next 3 were in about a 3" group. I don't know if it was me or the gun. I ended up buying this extra box since it's what I sighted the gun in with but I'm thinking now I may want to switch to Pyrodex.

I also seemed to get a really bad crud ring from the T7.

john1911
September 15, 2009, 05:09 PM
I also seemed to get a really bad crud ring from the T7.

Try a different primer.

hometheaterman
September 15, 2009, 06:08 PM
Looks like I'm luck. I called the gun store and they said they would exchange the Triple 7 pellets for Pyrodex ones for me as long as I hadn't opened them. I know my old muzzle loader loved Pyrodex pellets so hopefully this one will too.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/303675-pyrodex-vs-tripple-7-pellets-genesis.html

There is where he compared the two. Although the Triple 7 ones were at 100 yards and the Pyrodex at 63. I'm not sure how much of a difference that made.

As far as primers what do you recommend? I've used Winchester and Fusion primers. I'm assuming what I'm calling the crud ring is actually a crud ring. From the way I've heard it described I think it is.

Ohio Rusty
September 16, 2009, 07:57 PM
I never recommend buying the pellets. One because pellets are 50 grains a piece, and some rifles will shoot better with a custom load of powder, say 85 or 90 grains. Working up a load is how you obtain your best accuracy.

Secondly ...the pellets are a ripoff. If you read the box ...the box of pellets weighs a total of 6 ounces for $19.99 to $24.99 a box depending on where you shop. That means if you bought enough boxes to equal a pound ...you are paying $60.00 to $80 dollars a pound for a blackpowder substitute !!!! You can buy a pound of powder in most stores.for less than $20.00. Buying loose blackpowder is better accuracy and cost wise.

My recommendation is to stay away from the boxes of BP muzzleloading turds. You are paying thru the nose for convenience.
Ohio Rusty ><>

john1911
September 17, 2009, 07:08 PM
You are paying thru the nose for convenience.

Why yes I am and that is perfectly fine with me.

As far as primers what do you recommend?

I'm using (IIRC) Winchester 777 primers. Supposedly designed to work with 777 pellets. I did have problems with Remington "Kleanbore" primers and the crud ring.

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