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floydster
September 15, 2009, 08:47 PM
This is how I load on my new LnL press.
I resize,prime and expand in one step.
Then I charge powder, seat bullet and crimp.
I find this much more controlling as far as making a mistake on the
charge or OAL.
Say what you want, hey man you are not doing what the press is designed for, to you I say do the best with the brain matter you have:D
Smokeyloads

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Walkalong
September 15, 2009, 09:11 PM
I do it in two trips through the LNL as well, just a little different.

I size and deprime the first time through the LNL. Then I hand prime. Then the second time through the LNL I expand the case, drop powder, seat a bullet, and crimp. (Sometimes I seat/crimp in the same operation)

I have not thought about expanding in the first step, but there is no reason not to I guess.

The second time through is much smoother without the sizing going on, and I can really feel the expanding and seating steps.

Some would say we are wasting the potential of the press and doubling our work, but I like the way I do it, and it sounds like you like your method.

jbrown13
September 15, 2009, 09:22 PM
I do it in two steps as well. I size, deprime and prime. Set my brass aside for trimming and chamfering/deburring. Then later I flare, drop powder, seat and crimp in 4 different dies. I also find it less daunting that way. I am a senior citizen and YMMV.

David Wile
September 15, 2009, 09:53 PM
Hey folks,

Unlike the first three to post, I use my L&L in its full progressive mode. For most pistol loads, I will size/deprime in Station 1, reprime on the upstroke, expand and bell the case mouth in Station 2, charge in Station 3, and seat and crimp in Station 4. I do not use any powder cop or special crimp die, so my Station 5 remains empty. My powder measure is very accurate with the powders I use, and my primer system works all the time.

Having said how well my L&L press works, however, I will say that I do have to concentrate on what I am doing to keep from making mistakes. I also load shotshells on three Pacific/Hornady 366 progressives. I find that loading metallics on my L&L progressive, while demanding of my concentration, is easier than loading shotshells on my progressives. The 366 shotshell progressives perform a lot more operations with each pull of the handle, and I cannot even talk to someone while operating them. I really have to pay attention to all the operations on the 366s to keep from making a mistake that can be very time comsuming to clean up.

So, for you folks who choose to use your progressives in a two step process to insure your accuracy, I find no fault whatever. We all have our limitations, and it is only the fool who ignores them.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

Walkalong
September 15, 2009, 10:31 PM
I don't see it as a limitation, of machine or operator, only a preference. :)

floydster
September 16, 2009, 09:00 AM
Yup, on the second step I just remove the sizing die and the flaring die.
Also after the first step of resizing, priming and flaring it gives me a second chance to inspect the cases again before charging.
Works great for me and I am much more confident in my completed rounds.
I make a visual check of the powder charge before seating a bullet, I do not use a powder cop die.
Smokeyloads

bullseye308
September 16, 2009, 09:04 AM
I do it in two trips through the LNL as well, just a little different.

I size and deprime the first time through the LNL. Then I hand prime. Then the second time through the LNL I expand the case, drop powder, seat a bullet, and crimp. (Sometimes I seat/crimp in the same operation)

I have not thought about expanding in the first step, but there is no reason not to I guess.

The second time through is much smoother without the sizing going on, and I can really feel the expanding and seating steps.


I do the same thing, but on a Loadmaster. I do large batches that way and it just sems easier.

pinkymingeo
September 16, 2009, 01:09 PM
It's your business, of course, but for the life of me I can't understand why you'd do things in two steps. I decap/size in station 1 (prime), PTX station 2, lock-out die in 3, bullet seating in 4, and crimp in 5. The operation is very smooth and consistent, loading a round every 5-7 seconds without errors. How complicating the process would help consistency or safety beats me.

showmebob
September 16, 2009, 01:29 PM
Unless I need to trim a case I just use the full progressive system that I paid for. I have not yet seen a reason to hand prime. Depending on caliber I size/deprime, drop powder, flare/powder check, seat, crimp. This is with 9mm and 380 with Lee 4 die sets. For 357mag I size/deprime, flare, drop powder, powder checker, seat and crimp.

jbrown13
September 16, 2009, 01:36 PM
Everybody has to march to their own drummer!

mallc
September 16, 2009, 05:33 PM
I resize, prime and expand in one step.

I am new to the LNL. Please help me understand how this is accomplished in one position on a LNL?

Depending on caliber I size/deprime, drop powder, flare/powder check, seat, crimp.

This too? I use an RCBS powder check in station 3 but can't see how I can get it to flare a case. What am I missing please?

Maybe it's semantics but I'm confused.

Thanks for helping.
Scott

Canuck-IL
September 16, 2009, 06:09 PM
Then I charge powder, seat bullet and crimp.
I find this much more controlling as far as making a mistake on the
charge or OAL.
To each their own BUT, how does that provide more control. You control the speed of the press so if you want to stop and look at each station, you can. The OAL and powder drop should be set and simply verified now and then (lube build-up in the seating die w lead bullets, dbl-check on powder drop for safety).

If you get a progressive, seems foolish to not use its progressive qualities.

I am new to the LNL. Please help me understand how this is accomplished in one position on a LNL?
It's not done in one position - he's talking about loading cases and running a couple of operations through a full batch - 100 - 1000 cases. Then start all over with only 3 dies (powder, seater, crimper) in place and re-handle all the cases again.
/Bryan

showmebob
September 16, 2009, 06:19 PM
I am new to the LNL. Please help me understand how this is accomplished in one position on a LNL?



This too? I use an RCBS powder check in station 3 but can't see how I can get it to flare a case. What am I missing please?

Maybe it's semantics but I'm confused.

Thanks for helping.
Scott
Quote: Depending on caliber I size/deprime, drop powder, flare/powder check, seat, crimp.

I flare and powder check at the same station (station 3). I use a lee ptx die and made a simple powderr check rod that works through the center of the ptx. This is why I drop the powder before flaring (station 2). My 357 dies are only a 3 die set so I have room for a conventional powder checker when loading them. (station 3)

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